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by Travis david. 01/18/21 03:17 AM
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by couchgrouch. 01/17/21 02:07 PM
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#1171606 - 11/24/20 06:49 PM
Re: Join the Fight (a feminist anthem)
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Gavin Sinclair
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I like the rhyme scheme you chose for this. It gives it a kind of impetus and urgency. The chorus might work well as a bridge between the second and third verses. I can hear it delivered with rhythmic speech, kind of rap style. You could then either just not have a chorus or come up with something else. Or you could just leave it as it is. It was just a thought  Nice lyric.
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#1171703 - 11/27/20 04:07 AM
Re: Join the Fight (a feminist anthem)
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In making your Structural decisions you can ask and answer the question, "How much exposition is 'Enough'?" before it is time to get to the point, the main idea of the Lyric. Will the Chorus strike home in a listener's judgment, to what the Verse has set up for after Verse I? Or should it wait until after Verse II has done more exposition, exposing the situation the Singer-Character is trying to tell about? Waiting until after Verse III might strain the attention span of a listener. The 'Enough' concept is bounded by 'Not Enough' and 'Too Much'. If it takes three Verses to adequately set up to get to the point the listener may drift off to their own thoughts. Verses ideally 'Repeat' the Melody identically, or nearly so, each time. A third Verse, to my ear, risks monotony, pushing me off to my own thoughts, letting me come unhooked. 'Enough' is the Song-Writer's judgment call. You, as the Song-Writer, are the first listener. You should sense how much is 'Enough', 'Not Enough' and 'Too Much', just as listeners will make that judgment call themselves. You should be 'hooked' by the 'Hook Factor' in everything, from the Introductory Movement, to the coherence of the Lyric, its enunciation and Melodic and Rhythmic delivery, the Melody in prosody with the Lyric. If you're not hooked, others probably won't be either. If you are... It's difficult to separate one's own pleasure at emoting and singing and playing from these actual 'Enough' qualities in the Song. But deliberately making those judgment calls, self-critiquing, and, more pleasurably, 'sensing' the 'Enough' concept and Structuring your Song accordingly can more likely ensure others will make a complimentary judgment call. Take it from the top, and make your judgment call.
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#1171741 - 11/27/20 09:16 PM
Re: Join the Fight (a feminist anthem)
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Leanne Marchand
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Travis David, Depending on the genre of course, am I wrong in thinking that the majority of hit songs are actually quite short with much repetition? I do like your idea however to do V, V, B, Ch, V, Ch. When I was songwriting years ago, most of mine were V, Ch, V, Ch, B, Ch, and that worked pretty well for me for most of what I wrote. Thanks so much for your input!
Last edited by Leanne Marchand; 11/27/20 09:17 PM.
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#1172224 - 12/08/20 04:20 PM
Re: Join the Fight (a feminist anthem)
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Hi Leanne. To me, this could use way more "show" and a lot less "tell". For example, if you remove the words "whore" and "mother" and replace them with "stud" and "father", would that make it a masculine anthem?
There's nothing personal here. You say you're who you want to be, but who is that?
It's also outdated, or perhaps written for another culture. Who in Western culture thinks of women as property? Very few, if any. Equality? What rights do I have that my wife doesn't?
None.
And your litany of names. Steinem made Ms. Magazine? So what? That mag is unreadable crap. And didn't one of Steinem's mags nearly go under? Didn't she sleep with a European millionaire so he'd bail her out?
Here's my advice...write a personal lyric about a woman overcoming an obstacle. Jettison all the preachy, unprovable cliches about equality etc and paint a picture of an everyday woman.
I suspect my wife has accomplished more than Steinem ever has. Think of a good hook and write about someone like her. A wife, sister, daughter and great Christian woman who works hard to support her family, materially, emotionally and spiritually.
Last edited by couchgrouch; 12/08/20 04:26 PM.
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#1172354 - 12/11/20 07:31 AM
Re: Join the Fight (a feminist anthem)
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That's bullying and it's a problem with strong vs weak in any relationship, male or female. A woman in Eloy, Az was receny murdered by her female lover. (I think it was Eloy) And it's a minority, not a popular idea. People hate wife beaters in western culture.
But if you want to write a relatable song without the Steinem blarney, that might be a place to start.
Ps 1/4/2021
HBO'S "Wheelie Queen" charged in stabbing death of her partner in Baltimore.
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#1172357 - 12/11/20 10:49 AM
Re: Join the Fight (a feminist anthem)
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Spousal/domestic abuse is about control. Do some people still think of their spouse as property ? Yeah, is it a hot topic in the west these days ? No, but domestic abuse still is prevalent. I'd agree writing about domestic abuse is more relavent. If your looking for a song where a strong woman gives voice to this we have it with Gloria Gaynors I will survive The hot topic these days is me2 and sexual harassment. Domestic abuse has plenty of songs. I'd instead focus to writing what you mean. Make it believable, base it on your own experience. And this lyric jumps around, some of the words written just to rhyme. If you really want to write a song telling somebody I'm not your whore, you can do it. But you need to focus on that idea, this is a bit generic. on a side note, a song I love is called bitch, Merideth Brooks, can't turn it off when its on the radio. She calls herself a bitch......but its honest, whether she's my type...or not, assertive women scare me....lol. But she's kinda saying the complete opposite of what your saying. And its believable, honest and such a great tune too Enjoy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ge53QaDpKQ
Last edited by Fdemetrio; 12/12/20 12:18 PM.
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#1172363 - 12/11/20 11:48 AM
Re: Join the Fight (a feminist anthem)
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Hello & nice to meet you. You've been given some good advice by several people here. I though the verses were done well, good flow. BUT for me......I could not get in to the CHORUS. It seem rocky and not smooth. Although that's only when reading it, so, maybe it works with music. Just my opinion. Have a good day. Calvin https://www.soundclick.com/artist/default.cfm?bandID=11440
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