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This isn't "mind-blowing" lol... It's simply overstating the obvious. God provided all of us with a very sophisticated space to organize and separate fact from fiction... Democrats, left brain / Republicans, right brain... and a corpus callosum to keep them separated. This just proves that, when you overload the left brain and don't exercise the right brain, you completely lose touch with reality smile

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Well, this kind of stuff fascinates me. Call me square.

I believe this guy comes from a Christian family, he's not saying anything blasphemous, just re telling the story of reality which by the way, isn't real at all ....

Dude is highly intelligent.

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Lol... tree of life or tree of knowledge... take your pick.

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I watched about 5 minutes. I may return to it. I did enjoy what I saw.
I think that the popular term for what he is describing is "filters."

We all have our personal filters.

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On a personal level maybe, what he's actually saying from a reality point a view, is that reality his way more complex than what we are aware of, and what we do know of is

His computer interface example... When we use a pc, we are unaware of all the circuitry and energy and processing that is going on inside the computer, we just know, click internet explorer button, and you'll be online. If somebody had to follow and know what was going on inside, they'd never get anything done, and pcs probably wouldn't exist.

And so evolution basicly did the same thing. Let us aware of enough to survive, and that's all that matters.

When I used to look at microsopes in school, I used to say, wouldn't that be crazy if we could see all this stuff without a scope? Turned out to be pretty astute, I know the reason now.

If our eyes saw everything there is, it would be chaos. Instead of looking for food, wed be dodging viruses and mold and everything else just walking down the street.

We see enough to survive. Maybe that's where the spiritual world exists, somewhere beyond what we are capable of seeing.

Hes got other good videos i reccomend


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As a medical scientist, I found his dissertation both interesting and logical.

The perception of reality has long been a puzzle, and will probably never be solved. I saw parallels with Buddhism where the concept of consciousness is merely a reconstruct of the billions of memes that every living organism holds. A filtering of these memes gives us our own distinct personality.

A great interviewer, who let her interviewee speak without interruption, and who asked pertinent and relevant questions.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
On a personal level maybe, what he's actually saying from a reality point a view, is that reality his way more complex than what we are aware of, and what we do know of is

His computer interface example... When we use a pc, we are unaware of all the circuitry and energy and processing that is going on inside the computer, we just know, click internet explorer button, and you'll be online. If somebody had to follow and know what was going on inside, they'd never get anything done, and pcs probably wouldn't exist.

And so evolution basicly did the same thing. Let us aware of enough to survive, and that's all that matters.

When I used to look at microsopes in school, I used to say, wouldn't that be crazy if we could see all this stuff without a scope? Turned out to be pretty astute, I know the reason now.

If our eyes saw everything there is, it would be chaos. Instead of looking for food, wed be dodging viruses and mold and everything else just walking down the street.

We see enough to survive. Maybe that's where the spiritual world exists, somewhere beyond what we are capable of seeing.

Hes got other good videos i reccomend



I dont disagree with that.

My point is that you register what your senses are able to register, and then "your" filters or whatever he may call them take what you are capable of registering and apply meaning to it.

Hence you and I fear a disease and we are committed to that because the threat of it seems obvious to us. And a couple of other people think that it 's hoax. Some of them even die from it. The odd thing....All 4 of us truly "believe," in the face of the same available information.

I know that is an oversimplification to what all he said.

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Yes Nite, the hard problem of consciousness, is still a pretty damn hard problem....I don't even get the full question let alone the answer.

Marty, yes, but the thing is us humans make up our own truths, but those are just to provide comfort with yourself. Truth is, we need oxygen, subjective truth is, covid is a big problem. We haven't had millions of years to prove covid and convince people of covid, only a few months, so there's that .

More crazy stuff.... He mentions that there is so far nothing in the brain that would explain why we taste peanut butter, or chocolate, or beer, why is it that every bit of food tastes different, but we eat them all the same way, our mouth chews, yet we get different flavors. What causes peanut butter to taste like peanut butter, we dont know. Our brains must be distinguishing one food from another, so we know everything is not the same

Heres another mind blower, Everything we think is outside of our brain, like watching traffic, or a soccer game, those events happen in our brains, there is no out there!!!

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Hey Fd, he mentions the taste say, of peanut butter, or beer etc. There are over a trillion different scents ( taste is only 6, the taste of food is determined by smell ) yet we all know the taste of peanut butter. How do we, as individual human beings with unique DNA all recognise the taste of peanut butter ? Is it a shared meme experience ?

Article here.... https://www.everydayhealth.com/news/incredible-facts-about-your-sense-smell

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Cool, and humans probably have the weakest sense of smell in the animal kingdom.

That describes how our sense of smell works, but not the crazy question as to why ...they smell like they do. how do we experience the smell of an onion, they can't prove that the onion smells like anything at all.

It might be our brains assigning a scent to all things so that we can distinguish them. But reality is, the onion doesn't smell, Yet we smell it!

That's reality.....or that's why there is no reality...I'm not sure.


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Sometimes simple explanations work

IMO this simply part of learning and language

Bobby, would you like some peanut butter? Peanut butter..what is that? Here...taste it

Bobby, isn't that a prettyt blue sky? Do you remember learning colours way back when? We learn orange because we are taught that is orange...then kids learn about oranges as a fruit

Beyond labeling IMO it is all about personal experience with that reality

That there is something beyond our senses as humans is beyond question. The wave spectrum delivers sound and a visible spectrum....beyond the infrared. lots of insect discern their habitats beyond our own spectra

Raptors have keen eyesight, felines instinctively follow movement, dolphins and bats use clicks and sonar

We build telescopes and microscopes and Large Hadron Colliders to extend our senses.

But labeling is essentially a concensus of meaning. Peanut butter could have been called Glopshuck for all that matters, it will still taste roughly the same to everyone given our genetic makep and taste buds and sense of smell


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I may be on to something...well not really, but I may have learned what others have already figured out ....

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2020/07/28/smellosophy/

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Yes, the onion doesn't smell, it simply releases molecules which we interrupt as those coming from an onion. I wonder if other animals "smell" the same thing as we do.

Ahhhh..... the never ending questions in life. grin

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PS - I found that the part about humans smelling fear is very real. That's why you always use extra deodorant at a job interview. grin

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Same applies to sound and vision. Basically as we walk around the park to example, nothing is actually there. No green trees, no sand baseball field, no squirrels, there are just potentials, our brains take those potentials and turn them into what we think is the world.... Mind blown yet???

There's still some ongoing debates, but we think were pretty smart ....

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FD et all, here is something to read that you might find pretty insightful as well

This is the Wiki link, but the book is a worthwhile read in todays' environment.

The Righteous Mind


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And all smell is particles. They emanate from their source and hit our olfactory receptors

And FD, not sure I undertand what you are asserting. That tree, lawn, playground equipment are all real and exist independently of our senses and perceptions. When we leave that park, they will still be there.

The mind does fill in a lot of blanks though as I understand it...look up the term gestalt...


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And to think... we're all just handfuls of dust in a seemingly infinite cosmos...
Have you ever wondered at the vastness of the universe and contemplated the meaning of life? Has the truth of your mortality ever shocked you into somber ponderings of eternity and justifiable existence? Even if you knew the answers to these questions, have you ever wondered if you could be content with them? Have you ever even considered the fact that the greatest minds of humanity have been posing these very same questions for the entirety of human history? I believe these questions to be miracles in and of themselves... they are the proof that we are indeed created in God's own image. We continue to ask these questions because we simply can not help ourselves, and the questions are just as perpetual as the universe itself... just as God intended. Yes, I acknowledge the glory of God's creation... but, more importantly, I also accept creation as a necessary limitation. God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent but not redundant. There is no God but Him. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust... This is a fact of life that we all share in agreement. But, have you ever considered that, if this is true of the earth, then the entire universe must simply be ashes and dust in perpetual motion? If we can scarcely fathom the vastness of this limited physical universe, then how can we possibly fathom the mind of God? Even if it were possible for us mere humans to conquer the limits of God's seemingly infinite but limiting universe, we would still only come to one conclusion.... WE ARE NOT GODS. We are in fact, and always have been, nothing more than God's little bickering children... limited beings with infinite potential and God given powers of perception and discernment. So, what's the meaning of life? Simply face the glaring fact of what you are and be glad for it! If this existence puzzles you... wait till you see the next.

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Depends who you ask, but first of all green, like onion smell is just fabricated by our brains.

Its still hotly debated but read this.

https://phys.org/news/2019-11-quantum-physics-reality-doesnt.html

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Japov, I've wondered about that kind of stuff every day for as long as I can remember...others I know choose not to, and probably end up less frustrated!

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The old "Journey v/s destination" argument... lol?
I'm not frustrated... I see exactly where I'm headed smile

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JAPOV, you seem to think life is a practice run. It's not. As a man of faith, I must do my best in this life to square away everything and square away my account with God when the time comes.

In the meantime, He shall walk beside me and guide me in my decisions. Your opinion seems to be "Oh, it doesn't matter, for I will be saved:"

Wrong. He shall do good deeds on this Earth as he should do in Heaven.

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Originally Posted by niteshift
JAPOV, you seem to think life is a practice run. It's not. As a man of faith, I must do my best in this life to square away everything and square away my account with God when the time comes.

In the meantime, He shall walk beside me and guide me in my decisions. Your opinion seems to be "Oh, it doesn't matter, for I will be saved:"

Wrong. He shall do good deeds on this Earth as he should do in Heaven.

cheers, niteshift


Two things I know for certain;
1- We are saved by faith, which is a gift from God, and faith alone least any man should boast.
2- There is only One worthy judge, and He judges us by our hearts and motivations... not our deeds.

No man can stand before God and claim righteousness by his own will...

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We are saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and belief in what He did for us on the cross, that His sacrifice paid for our sins. We will be judges for reward for what we do or don't do on earth.

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Ah I think I get the playground analogy.

It really is a matter of perspective. Is a human gene just man's way of making another human, or is a human just a gene's way of making another gene??

Is what we see around us the "ultimate reality" or is it something fundamentally different...which if we "drill down" to string theory" or look out into the stars is certainly true

Interesting theory that we are just an interface that has evolved to allow us to survive and reproduce is a cool way of seeing this...and that this interface is only as complex as we need it to be for survival is also cool

That Aristotle and The Cave looked at this way back when is also cool. He did not have the benefit of today's science, but he did illustrate the principles. Since then all kinds of philosophers have tackled that question "what is reality" . Science is also in this arena uncovering all kinds of interesting theories and "reproducable truths" that reflect the reality around us

As an INTJ this kind of stuff turns me on too.



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Well I'm Catholic , raised by two pretty strong believers. Especially Mom, she went to church every day when she retired.

I have found myself saying....its impossible there is a God, then a minute later, I say its impossible there isn't! Its just as astonishing either way..

I think math and physics are the language God speaks in.

Remember....even people with the strongest faith look both ways before they cross the street!

What God actually is is another mind blower.

Here were are trying to figure out the philosophy of smell...... Think about that...PHILOSOPHY of smell.

We don't even get our own existence how can we get Gods.

And many scientists, extremely smart ones think we may be living in a simulated world...our understanding of physics is making us think that way.

Maybe God is running a simulated world, or maybe another world of highly advanced people are running it, and we are the experiment.

But back to physics, we think of the world as out there, but its really inside us. We think of the world as being out there, but our brain puts the puzzle together and makes us see ...a world.

Its fun to think about but also frustrating cause we don't know enough.


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