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#1170253 - 10/24/20 11:43 AM How Did I Do This?  
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Hi,

Back on August 29, 2001,I took my Sony minidisc recorder and stereo microphone with me to open mic at the now defunct Prodigal Son coffee house.
I managed to record to of my personal favorite originals.

"Prelude To September 11, 2001 - Leonda (I'm Coming Home)" and "Got Me Worldwide"

My imagination took over while recording prelude in front of a live audience, btw, this was the first time I ever performed the song ever.

In my mind almost at the 3 4/5 minute/second part of the song, I had seen the bust of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

I didn't think anything of it, until I played the song backwards.

It sounds as if my english in reverse is complete Arabic and at that 3 4/5th mark, in English I'm plainly heard saying "I saw Saddam' in forwared but while listening in reverse of the entire song.

Led Zeppelins classic "Stairway To Heaven" is known for back masking. The band placed the sentence "must have been a bad boy for now I am Satan" into the song only hearing it while the song is played backward. They didn't do that naturally, they physically by using tape placed that sentence in its forward motion into the songs reverse motion.

I did not do that with my song, "I saw Saddam" is there as I recorded the song during its live performance, there without any backmasking as Led Zeppelin is on the record for doing and the only band that I know of that has done that, yet I am sure others have, I don't know who.

So, how did I place my imagination into spoken word forward while the song is played in reverse?

I honestly don't know how I did that so any explainations, thoughts, comments is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

William Mahler
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#1170261 - 10/25/20 06:09 AM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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Sound a little supernatural. If it is a message we are suppose to hear it is likely not going to be heard, not many people play music backwards.

#1170263 - 10/25/20 09:10 AM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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It may be beneficial to lay down and have a little nap...


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=170948

I think what makes satan so attractive to others is
that he tastes like chocolate...
....and he played real drums
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Originally Posted by 9ne
It may be beneficial to lay down and have a little nap...


Ha!


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#1170280 - 10/26/20 08:10 AM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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Amazing ain't it. Anything that is recorded is going to say one thing in one direction and then make sounds that can sound like anything in reverse. It's called SOUND RECORDINGS. What people like the Beatles, Zepplin and others found was mostly by mistake, and played up in jokes, and reviews when people were hopped up on drugs and doing silly things like playing things backward. There's a famous story that John Lennon, took a test tape home one night, got really stoned, a threaded it backwards on his reel to reel. The sounds it made, excited him and the next day they started using some "backward masking techniques" to create new sounds. It just became a new toy of sound to play around with. Then as the fad continued of people looking for the secrets to the universe, again, mostly drug related, other bands puposely did it to mess with people. Personally, I could never get any record player of mine to play backwards, but it was pretty funny at the time.

So you just experienced what was mostly a music fad in the 60's and 70's and still pops up in pop culture now and then. Congratulations for exploring the recesses of your mind that you didn't know where there.

"All Hail Santa."

MAB

#1170285 - 10/26/20 09:17 AM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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Well the technique of listening backwards used to be, put the record on, and with the needle on the record, manually turn it backwards. What you get is a strange, demonic like singing voice...no matter who it is, could be the bee gees, it sounded like the devil backwards. And I believe that's where movies and tv got their ideas of how to make something sound demonic. Its only association, the sounds were given to strange things, not strange things creating sounds.

So when you hear it you instantly think of evil.

Just like when you speed up a record everything sounds like the chipmunk, no matter who it is.

And if you listen to stuff backwards your brain tries to make sense out of it, and hears English words, or whatever language you speak.

Im not sure if dyslexia works on sound too like it does reading....lol that be funny if somebody with dyslexia could hear a song while playing it backwards, but the sound will still be warped.

I'd say Saddam was on your mind at the time and you heard that when played It backwards

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#1170291 - 10/26/20 02:04 PM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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A similar "accident" happened in the studio with FEEDBACK. John leaned his guitar against an amp and the "A" string, started vibrating, building louder and louder until it fedback. They all were shocked, and wondered if they could repeat and control it. They did, on the song "I FEEL FINE" and that was the first commercial use of Feedback. From then on, it was used by just about everyone from Hendrix on.

Many of things that happened in the studio, started by accident and then became usable as a device. Now, we just have everything in a plug in or computer effect. Another part of the exploration of music, like backward sounds, that are not so interesting any more.

MAB

#1170306 - 10/26/20 06:00 PM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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Yeah I just read that, I was previously under the impression that this track by the who in 1965 was the first feedback ever recorded. Although Lennon did it on acoustic, the who with electric. The who were the first to do alot with technology and recording, so were the Beatles. I guess back then, they had to be extra creative . I know this is the first electric feedback on record! The whole break around 1:00 is all feedbacked guitar

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aUkJYkVTITU

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#1170346 - 10/27/20 10:17 AM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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Not to be argumentative, but "I FEEL FINE" was done in 1964. "WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN" was in 1971. Other bands had done some things with Feedback, but it was more by accident than anything else. The Beatles are creditied with the first mainstream use of it and purposely using it as a featured part of the song. And 'm pretty sure that John had leaned his Epiphone electic against the amp. So it was an electric instrument. I could be wrong, but belive this is correct. At that time, they would not have been using an acoustic with an amp.

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Don't mind a friendly debate....

The song link was for a song called anyhow, anyway, anywhere. It was released in 1965, so a year after the Beatles track, but, my history always told me this was the first feedback. But it wouldn't surprise me if the Beatles did it first


Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere" was the second single released by the English rock band the Who in 1965. It features call-and-response lyrics (especially common in Who lyrics at this time) and some of the first ever recorded guitar feedback. The song was composed by lead singer Roger Daltrey and guitarist Pete Townshend, the only time they wrote together. The guitar feedback, although not the first to be heard on a record (see the Beatles' "I Feel Fine"), is thought to be the first solo with feedback. This is the first Who release with Nicky Hopkins playing piano.[5]

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#1170379 - 10/28/20 10:56 AM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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Hey man, sorry about the confusion. Yesterday for some reason that link did not play for me, and I got redirected to "Won't Get fooled again.:" Retried it again today and heard it. I think feedback was HEARD on records earlier than the Beatles, but I believe they are creditied with using it first in the context of controlled feedback and in conjunction as a major part of a song.

Some times in reading things people talk about I feel sort of like the "six degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon" or some weird Forrest Gump. You mentioned Nicky Hopkins, and it reminds me of a time I actually jammed with him in the 80's. At the time, I was sort of a local "rock star"and was known around my hometown of Birmingham, Al. My band was pretty well known and it got me a lot of invitations to parties and private events. This one night I was invited to a huge house, some rich person was having some sort of shin dig and I ended up there. If I know me, at that time, I was probably in the company of some attractive young female. I was quite the roque in my rock star days, LOL!
We got there and there was a pretty good band performing on a stage in this room, with a couple hundred people in it. I hadn't been there long, when someone on the stage said "Marc Barnette's in the house, lets get him to sing one." So I got up on stage with these guys, a couple I knew, but the rest I had never seen. They were asking what I knew and someone called out "HONKY TONK WOMEN" which I knew, so we did that. The band was really good, but I don't know if the keyboard player played a solo. It was sort of over pretty quick. I got up, sang, grooved, and then thanked the band, said goodbye and back to my drink and uh....well, back to my drink.

A little later someone mentioned that the keyboard player was Nicky Hopkins, but I really didn't think much of it. Wasn't till a few months after that I realized who he was. Just sort of one of those elbow rubbing times many of us go through in our journey through life. Fun memories thought. Thanks for mentioning him.

MAB

#1170381 - 10/28/20 11:27 AM Re: How Did I Do This? [Re: WilliamMahler]  
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Another cool story Marc. I wasn't even aware of the significance of Nicky Hopkins, he was just referenced in the wiki article I copy and pasted. Always thought of the who as four people, that is until later years . now I see who he was.

More than the Beatles, which seems sacrilege, but more than Beatles The Who were my first and favorite rock band from British invasion .

I usually get told off by Beatle fanatics that I'm wrong for saying they were better, lol. But I love the Beatles so its not a major squabble lol

You really need to write that book!






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I have never understood the whole "my band is better than your band" mentality. People like different things and usually the people who like the Beatles, also like the Who, the Stones, The Kinks, whatever has a "The" in it. People like all kinds of music, and I don't have a "favorite" or do the "what is the best song/actor/movie, etc. Nonsense. I think the Beatles were the ones who were most accessable to the culture, and had the bigger impact, simply because they were the first British band that really captured the world. Many others would come later, and all had their own slice of the "cultural pie."

I had forgotten the Nicky Hopkins thing too, till you mentioned it. That happens a lot. It's sort of funny how many little things happen in our lives that we don't even realize at the moment. One of my best friends, who passed away a few years ago, had grown up in her hometown of Liverpool, England. And she used to go see this band playing the Cavern club. She was too young to get in, so she'd wait backstage and carry the drummers cymbals in. That drummer was PETE BEST. She got to know the Beatles BEFORE RINGO. And she had all these experiences, making out with Ringo, and all kinds of stuff with Herman's Hermits, the Dave Clark Five, etc. She was just around all these people. She told this story about her Mother having an affair with this very well known orchestra leader. And her Mother TOOK HER TO THE APARTMENT WHERE THEY WOULD LINK UP! Sometimes the Father's SON would be there too and they would hang out. LOL! That Son turned out to be ELVIS COSTELLO!!!!!
She always had stuff like that. And told it so matter of factly, "They were just me MATES!!!" She'd say. She was a hoot.

A lot of my life is the same. I have rubbed elbows with a lot of people and seen a lot of interesting things. But at the time you really just don't think much about it. There are no lightning strikes, or voices from the Heavens reasonating. It's just little moments that happen that you don't realize till later. And sometimes, you don't even remember them till someone else mentions them. I'm just always glad Facebook and the Internet were not around when I was growing up. A LOT of compromising stuff could be out there. Try to explain that to the kids!

And then, there are things you find out in the oddest places. In Gregg Alman's biography, he talks about riding around in a limo in Nashville with some friends where they were doing all this cocaine, and smoking pot and drank four gallons of Vodka. He talks about not knowing where he was! I know EXACTLY WHERE HE WAS!
Onstage with ME, at a place called THE THIRD COAST CAFE! He had come in while I was playing, and someone asked if he could get up and sing. I said ABSOLUTLEY, but being left handed, and no right handed guitar, I'd have to play for him. I was very excited UNTIL he got onstage, barely able to stand up, and so off key and out of tune, it was HORRIBLE!!! I played what I thought would be the easiest song, MIDNIGHT RIDER, which he sang flat all the way through and just repeated the same lyrics over and over. So I'm VERY glad there are no U TUBE videos of that experience. Some things are best forgotten.

That pretty much IS my book. I write it in these little snippets and enjoy walking back in time on some of them. But hopefully they relate to the topic going on.
Thanks for reading.

MAB

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Way cool.


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