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#1170462 - 10/30/20 09:36 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
The problem with throwing the "socialism" label around is that you use it as a pejorative and only focus on certain parts of it to throw the baby out with the bath water.

First off, you can have social programs without being a socialist country. Canada is NOT a socialist country, but we do have more social welfare programs...modelling ourselbes after the mixed economies of Europe.

The US too has social welfare programs.

One thing that baffles me is the "horror" of universal medical coverage...Obamacare on steroids if you will.

In a follow the money exercise, have a look at what industries pay the most in lobbying the US government. I showed that awhile back, and the medical and medical insurance companies are near the top of the list....what do you suppose they are lobbying for? They are making lots and lots of money for their services and simply want to control their own destinies and pathways to those profits.

Universal health care will definitely take a bite out of that, AND change the playing field.

The argument to do this is persuasive because medical expenses are a huge burden if you have to cover it yourself.

And if you look beyond your borders, you will find all sorts of good examples where it works.

But understand that the sentiment you have AGAINST it is most likely manufactured by the lobbying interest of those making money of the current system. Their articles and pundits in pocket are what you see in the news.





Call it "collectivism" if that seems less pejorative.
And I realize that private insurance is a form of collectivism. And I plan to take my sosec payments when I'm 70.

And yes...the villain insurance companies do a lot of lobbying, but that does not mean that discarding them for a govt system is a good idea.

I see a zealous democrat faction, headed by Bernie and prominently AOC, who have become very quiet after cutting deals to support the Biden team. After being douched by DNC back room deals. And if Biden gets in, AOC will come to collect on the promises. If Biden fades her, she will likely declare war on him. If he and Pelosi bend to what she is going to demand for all these programs that will provide expensive free care to everyone, forgive mountains of student debt and on and on....it will break the debt laden economy down. It can't work.

Saying that simply eliminating the greed, profit and overhead of the insurance companies will make it work... is fool's gold.
Govt inefficiency and sloth will likely eat a lot of that gain away.



#1170467 - 10/30/20 11:47 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Calling it something else is not the answer smile

One of the books we had to read in university (graduated with a degree in economics that lead to my accounting designation) was Friedrich Hayek's The Road The Serfdom.

He called central planning a slippery slope to state control and totalitarianism. It was a best seller in the US in the 1940s

But he also advocated for a social safety net....

"There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, the first kind of security should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision." Friedrich Hayek

And here is a great example of your "waste argument" being totally unfounded

Google cost of a kidney transplant in the USA. You'll find it to be about 400K. Dont have that?, call, us if you find someone to pay that, or can make some kind of other arrangement. Do you have a house you can sell???

Google cost of a kidney transplant in Canada. It's 23K and the government foots the bill. Now why on God's earth is the cost so much different???????

Heart transplant in USA 1.4 million. In Canada ...I actually found no data...but patients do not pay for the transplant. Aftercare and medication for rejection drugs are I believe individual responsibility, and I have no data to compare prices.

Bottom line is that we do not penalize people financially because they got cancer, or need a new kidney or a new heart. We have had "socialized medicine" for many decades and we have not gone bust. Neither have other countries who have gone the "public" route.

Now I cannot argue that the USA does not have a world class system. It definitely does and definitely advances the field of medicine. But its "user pays the freight model" limits access and bankrupts people.

The user pay model also results in insidious practices.

My father was hit by a parcel delivery service truck that had been warned a number of times about its drivers and the way they drove around my parents' gated community in Florida.

He ended up in intensive care in St Petersburgh. The very first morning after the accident, with my father under heavy sedation (he would never regain consciousness die 5 days later), the company sent in their representative with a waiver document for my mother to sign. They would take responsibility for the medical costs as long as we absolved them from any blame and promised not to sue them.

How do you think that would play with an uninsured person? One on the hook for what would end up being a week in intensive care??? Do you see a power imbalance here? A grieving family, not knowing how they will pay...essentially having the one responsible for their predicament looking to absolve and insulate themselves using such an offer to escape liability??? The hospital had already made her sign a form accepting full responsibility for all costs on admission, and we had already discussed the amount they estimated (@150k as I recall)




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#1170468 - 10/30/20 12:18 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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The need for a social safety net...I get.
The concern is expanding the social net so broadly that it degrades and/or collapses...like anything else...and does no one any good.
A lot of doctors left Canada and came to the Texas Med Center in Houston.

I know that a lot of people suffer a lot of bad circumstances. That is always the trump card in the socialist's deck. I wish that I could make it so that no one suffered at all...but any social net, good intentions aside, needs to be reasonably sound.

Right now, social security is headed for a demographic/economic wall. If sosec ends up not working, nothing else will.


The easy-as-this and easy-as-that scenarios that you and Gavin a promoting are not any reality that I know anything about.

What is an elephant?
A mouse to govt specs.

What is a giraffe?
A mouse constructed by a congressional sub-committee.

#1170469 - 10/30/20 01:00 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Martin, these are not pie in the sky scenarios. This is real. Socialized medicine, or partially socialized medicine, is working all around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

Offering universal health care is a choice. Arguing it is unaffordable or unwieldy is disingenuous when your government spends all kinds of monies of all kinds of programs that benefit parts of society. The choice is to cut spending in some areas and raise taxes in others, You can even have some form of user pay.

And the raising taxes should not be such a big issue. Canada did a study, and found that even though our taxes may be notionally higher, the average US citizen spends more money on things our taxes pay for...and are further behind on a relative scale because of it.

The acid test is international rankings of health care systems. I will let you insert that term into Google and see where the USA (and Canada) falls. Canada stands 30th btw in the WHO ranking






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#1170470 - 10/30/20 01:35 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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John V ...DID you change your post? If so this response is to your first iteration.

First off, I have said nothing that is disingenuous.
2nd...If Canada has a full-on socialist medical system...then Canada is a little bit pregnant....and you and other Canadians are in denial about your socialist state..

As far as your facts and figures go, I dont readily believe in them. WHO? very agenda based. Very political.
I have no doubt that I could go out to the internet and site all sorts of studies that prove my side of the debate and we could tattoo this thread with talking points...but I dont want to use the time for that.

You have two practical problems that I see...

#1 Your "its-as-simple-as-this" explanation recalls Jimmy Carter and Obama. The whole, all you have to be is real smart like me and you can make the good decisions and fix everything...is a hoax. Carter is fine man but was a terrible president and Obama's healthcare tried to usurp personal freedoms in order to make it viable, by forcing people to pay for it. It was stopped on constitutional grounds as was appropriate.

#2 I've spoken with 4 doctors in the last couple of weeks. Nothing serious. Annual physical. neck and shoulder issue. Sleep apnia. Balloon rhinoplasty follow up.
The system is working well for me. My wife worked for the govt when we met. She knows what a grand mess it is. We dont want the govt screwing up what is working well.

So if they redesign healthcare to increase the safety net...fine. But many of us want it to be slowly, incrementally and methodically.
That aint Bernie and AOC and Joe. They are a runaway fire engine.







#1170476 - 10/30/20 04:29 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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If the Canadian healthcare system is so wonderful why do so many, the ones that can afford it, come to America for serious health problems? I will give you the simple, truthful, answer. Because then, they don't have to wait in line, or be denied the care they need. Many of the countries people were pointing out as shining examples, healthcare systems are going belly up because the countries are finding they can't afford them. As Margaret Thatcher pointed out, socialism is wonderful until you run out of people to take money from. If you bankrupted every millionaire + and every business in America, you wouldn't have the money to pay for the programs the Democrats are asking for for more than 3 years!
Last year I had a serious problem with my health. It cost me $5000 out of pocket. It is fixed. Paying for supplemental insurance, and the extras for decent Medicare coverage would have cost me north of $4800. I lost $200 by paying my own. That was a way above the norm year for me. Most years my outlays are under $500. Now if the government had been paying it probably would have cost about $30-50K. It is a fact the government is charged exorbitant fees compared to out of pocket fees.

Please keep the single payer system north of the border. We really don't want or need it.


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#1170477 - 10/30/20 04:42 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Yes Martin...my I did edit the "calling it something else...post...some spelling, and expanded point, and the story of my family's experience in Florida....

LOL...so that means the USA is as well with its social programs....but neither Canada nor the USA is socialist state. We have lots of laws that protect private property, are "free enterprise focused", etc etc. Having social programs in place is NOT the same as being a socialist state. Now if the state owned all factors of production...or most of them...that would be a socialist state.

But I am not trying to change your mind, somehow insinuate we are better because...it was simply trying to call you on your loose definition of socialism and slagging it...and the obvious low hanging fruit was health care.no more...no less

Have a good weekend..and I'm glad the system is working for you.


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#1170478 - 10/30/20 04:51 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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John S, we can argue until the cows can't find home anymore...I am happy with our system, you are happy with yours. Both can be true.


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But you spend time dissing ours which you are not under. I leave yours alone until you do that.


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Have a very good weekend John V and John S.
The weather forecast for Houston is ideal. Hope it is good where yall are.

#1170481 - 10/30/20 10:22 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
This is an undercover journalist proving massive voter fraud by a Republican operative. It may seem confusing as she's pressuring (successfully) an elderly voter to change her vote from a Republican Senator to a Democrat. But, she works for a Republican. That is because she simply works for the highest bidder. In 2016 Trump won the election based on 80K votes. This woman in the video claims she alone has changed 7000 votes. It only takes a dozen of these people in the country to throw enough votes to throw the election. Imagine what 1000 of these people could do?

I will link 2 videos below. One is the original video published by Project Veritas. The other is by left leaning (his self description) commentator Tim Pool. He breaks it all down to make it clear to understand. If you care about honest elections, there are many other videos showing dishonest stuff to be found, but Project Veritas has never once been proven wrong or forced to retract a story and in 100% of the cases where someone else such as the NY Times has claimed otherwise, they (NY Times and others) have had to retract their claims in after losing in court or to keep from being sued for lying.

Additionally, Twitter is censoring the right, that is clear. But as I warned my left wing friends, they are now also censoring the left. Who? Eric Holder, Obama's Atty. General, had a waring put on his tweet where he is advising fellow Democrats to vote in person, not by mail because it is too late. (The US mail has been audited and loses/misplaces/fails to deliver 2.2% of all mail. ALL MAIL! Imagine with this onrush of mail in ballots how much of a difference that will make? Any state that is single sub 5% win for either candidate could EASILY have been corrupted. Censorship is NEVER the answer. It will always come for those who support it in the end.

Please, if you want your vote to count, vote in person. On this, me and Eric Holder 100% agree.

Here's the Project Veritas video:


Here's the Tim Pool breakdown of the video:

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My opinion: This is how the elite in BOTH parties keep the same politicians in power for decades. This is how people like Joe Biden stay in office 47 years. This is how his Republican friends do the same. The R & D by their names mean little beyond which corrupt person gets the money that term. They don't even allow honest people to run. They weed them out in Primaries with a million little tricks and career politicians with more money than any contender having name recognition and non stop propaganda in the media. They are all roleplayers in a corrupt game. And in the fear that a TRUE outsider from ANY direction might get elected, they will happily destroy any candidate to get the final result they need. That is because there are usually 2 people running, both 100% controlled. If one loses to an honest upstart from either parties primary, they pour all their bipartisan support into the remaining Establishment candidate and do anything they can to destroy the person they don't control.



I don't buy the premise that Joe Biden is corrupt. Politifact investigated all the right wing narrative on this and found no credible evidence.


But there is tons of evidence that Trump is corrupt. In fact, he is one of the most corrupt presidents in history.

Project Veritas is a discredited group, their data is unreliable, per www.mediabiasfactcheck.org

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Moreover, voter fraud, in order to impact a national election, would require a coordinated effort across the country in 10s of thousands of counties, and, in the history of the vote, it hasn't ever happened. There has always been some mischief, here and there. But, consider that of the 130,000,000 votes and probably higher this year, that will be cast, the number of fraudulent votes would have to be very high. Some argue that, well, in the last election, three states determined the outcome. But, the counter argument is that, every election is different, and there is no way to know in advance which states will be the final battle ground states.

But the cheating is far more on the republican side. In 2016, over one million voters were purged from the voter registration rolls most of whom were black. Brian Kemp in Georgia, via purging voter rolls, stole the election from Stacy Abrams. In fact, while he was running for Gov. he was Secy of State and thus he was in charge of the vote in GA. That's a conflict of interest if there ever were one. Naturally, he didn't recuse himself. IF he had a modicum of integrity, he would have. The right engages in nefarious purging a lot. Kemp used a trick called 'voter caging' to great effect, it made him governor..

Last presidential election it was done with a program called 'Interstate Crosscheck", created by former Kansas Sec'y of State Kris Kobach ( aka 'voter suppression king)
which, the mischief was so egregious, it's banned now by order of a federal judge, due to the investigative work by Greg Palast. The ACLUs has verified that the work of investigative reporter, Greg Palast, is accurate, and he has uncovered massive voter suppression by the right. For more information on him, go to www.gregpalast.com and check out https://www.gregpalast.com/aclu-citing-palast-investigations-stops-crosscheck-in-indiana/


In all but a handful of states, Trump and republicans have launched lawsuits in almost every state, the objective of which is to restrict the vote, mostly but disallowing mail in votes to be counted beyond Nov. 3, noting that historically speaking, this never was an issue, only with Trump is it an issue. This is because it is an established fact that democrats prefer mail in voting ( due to covid ) and republicans, believing the hype espoused by Trump, prefer to vote in person. So, counting beyond Nov 3 is expected. Therefore, restricting counting to not later than midnight Nov .3 means fewer democratic votes will be counted. I think it's fair to say that Repubs fear democracy. They can't win on their message so they resort to cheating to maintain power.

Why would team Trump want to suppress the vote? Well, out of 130 million votes cast in 2016, he only won by 77,000 votes, a tiny fraction of the total, noting that
2,868,676 more votes were cast for Democrats in 2016, 9,710,275 more votes were cast for democrats in the house in 2018, and 17,537,638 more votes were cast for democrats in the senate in 2018, it's very clear that the majority favors democrats, on the whole, over republicans.


For more information on republican voter suppression there is a film ( free on Amazon Prime Video ) entitled "Rigged". It's well documented.


Yes, dems have had some run ins with voter mischief, we recall what Hillary did, but that was the primary, and her shenanigans cannot account for the fact
that Bernie Lost by three million votes. Even if she didn't, most of the superdelegates were in the tank for her and he would have lost anyway. as it turned out,
Not one vote from a superdelegate was needed. There won't be any of that nonsense in the future, dems won't stand for it.

The lawsuit by Jill Stein to recount the votes
in the three swing states was denied because she lacked 'standing' the judge ruled. It begged the question, "why didn't HIllary insert herself in the suit, as she definitely had standing?" Greg Palast asked this question and posited that if she had done that, it would have shone a light on her own voter mischief. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Here's the thing: Hillary, if she hadn't engaged in voter mischief, she could have inserted herself in the lawsuit, and the recount would have made her president. This is because Palast uncovered the fact that the purged count in those states exceeded Trump's victory numbers some ten fold. She screwed herself, by being greedy and not trusting the system. Well, she is history and there will be no more Hillary's in the future. Or, at least, I hope not.

Bernie is not a democrat, but he suddenly is during the election to take advantage of party machinery, which is vast. Many dems resent this about Bernie and they will
never let him be the nominee of the democratic party, he's just too far to the left and you don't get to be a dem only for elections, at least that is the prevailing attitude amongst many moderate dems. Owing to pressure from dems, the DNC now only allows superdelegates on the 2nd ballot, which rarely occurs. I've always been against any mischief and I believe in democracy and I am against superdelegates. That being said, if the RNC had a similar system, Trump would not be president. The logic behind superdelegates is to prevent an extremist or an authoritarian crazy from hijacking the party. Bernie tried, and lost. Trump tried, and won. Maybe both right and left, for the primaries, should both have superdelegates chosen by the party to prevent Bernies and Trumps from hijacking parties in the future.




















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I am waiting for November 4 when I can celebrate President Trump's re-election. You can quote all the left wing sources you care to, in the end he will win. Yes, there will be voter fraud. It won't matter. But please, tell me why the Democrats are fighting so hard against real voter ID and in person voting?


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Biden looks to have the young vote.
With the dissolution of the family along with the riots it will have to come down to the older and wiser.
The sky can not fall either if Harris wins.


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Originally Posted by R&M
Biden looks to have the young vote.
With the dissolution of the family along with the riots it will have to come down to the older and wiser.
The sky can not fall either if Harris wins.


The sky will definitely fall in America if they win. He is a puppet, and she is a pert of the puppet master's group. She is definitely part of the backroom deals that got him the nomination to begin with.


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Someone mentioned that many Canadian Doctors move to the States to practice, that is true, mainly because in the States they can become millionaires in a much shorter time than they can in Canada. The greedy ones move south, those that want to practice medicine to help people, stay here. You have a system of user/payer with profit being the main desire of the system. You have hospitals that operate that way, insurance companies, Doctors, lawyers and last but not least, big drug companies. Individuals or companies have to buy insurance to cover health cost, Doctors and hospitals bill insurance companies for services rendered, each working on profit for themselves or share holders. Hospitals have to have staff to bill the many insurance companies, this cost money. There may be disputes between insurance companies and providers over what they see as inflated charges, which no doubt are because they have to wait an extended period of time to be paid. It is a system that works but at what cost.

We do have Canadians that are rich that will go south for faster service, not because it is better service, but because they are rich, use to getting every thing they want when they want it. I guess their money makes them better(in their own eyes) than the average person on the street. Now, rich or poor, if the service you require is urgent, you are taken care of first in our system. Sometimes millionaires with a less urgent problem will be pushed back in line to wait while a poor minimum wage worker with an urgent need will go ahead of him/her for surgery. Our system is based on need, not greed.

Your system will be hard to change, all these millionaires and billionaire companies will fight tooth and nail to keep a system that makes them rich, even while the poor can't afford the insurance to cover themselves.

#1170489 - 10/31/20 08:21 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Pat Hardy]  
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Originally Posted by Pat Hardy

I don't buy the premise that Joe Biden is corrupt


For real? It is questionable that he broke any actual laws.

But...

He was travelling around the world on Air Force 2 with his son on the plane, who;

is a drug addict in and out of rehab many times
kicked out of the navy for drug use
baby daddy to a jiggle joint dancer
dated his deceased brothers wife...while knocking up the jiggle joint dancer?
married some South African moth after a week or two.


A son who was broken and useless, YET able to cash harvest millions from the platform of the official plane of the vice president of the United States.
And on the other side of the world in hopelessly corrupt nations like Ukraine and Romania...where the cash harvesting was fertile.
Even Obama's people cast a disparaging eye at Hunter travelling AF2 with his father and capitalizing on the vice presidency

Vote for who you like, but looking at that and not seeing the obvious corruption is blind and unquestioning obedience to corrupt masters.
Vote for who you like...but dont actually convince yourself of the lies.

As for project Veritas...they are conniving people who go about a conniving business using deceptive means (like 60 Minutes without the pretense of journalistic ethics)...but often what they present is audio or video of what someone actually said. I'm sure that they are discredited by some of their prey, but the information is often factual and red handed.
























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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Someone mentioned that many Canadian Doctors move to the States to practice, that is true, mainly because in the States they can become millionaires in a much shorter time than they can in Canada. The greedy ones move south, those that want to practice medicine to help people, stay here. You have a system of user/payer with profit being the main desire of the system. You have hospitals that operate that way, insurance companies, Doctors, lawyers and last but not least, big drug companies. Individuals or companies have to buy insurance to cover health cost, Doctors and hospitals bill insurance companies for services rendered, each working on profit for themselves or share holders. Hospitals have to have staff to bill the many insurance companies, this cost money. There may be disputes between insurance companies and providers over what they see as inflated charges, which no doubt are because they have to wait an extended period of time to be paid. It is a system that works but at what cost.

We do have Canadians that are rich that will go south for faster service, not because it is better service, but because they are rich, use to getting every thing they want when they want it. I guess their money makes them better(in their own eyes) than the average person on the street. Now, rich or poor, if the service you require is urgent, you are taken care of first in our system. Sometimes millionaires with a less urgent problem will be pushed back in line to wait while a poor minimum wage worker with an urgent need will go ahead of him/her for surgery. Our system is based on need, not greed.

Your system will be hard to change, all these millionaires and billionaire companies will fight tooth and nail to keep a system that makes them rich, even while the poor can't afford the insurance to cover themselves.


So the people who dont like your system are greedy and selfish?

#1170491 - 10/31/20 09:34 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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John if you read my posts you should not have taken what I said in the way you did. You are far too thin skinned here.

The discussion was about socialism and Martin's assertion that the evidence of any social program turned tthat state into a socialist state...and his subsequent "a little bit pregnant" comment. Health care was an example, but look carefully at what I wrote....


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Let's talk about the wall, that's a success for trump! I have heard that the dimocrats are trying to sneak illegals across the border to vote since there is no voter id anywhere in America. The wall will stop them!



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Martin, a lot of what is happening with physician movement to the USA is actually companies recruiting doctors here. Things may be good where you are, but a lot of people in the USA live away from places where medical care is easily available and the US needs more doctors. Full stop. I know from physicians in my own family that this is so.

Couple the hiring incentives with rules and regulations and lower pay here, and of course there will be movement.

Note lower pay here is offset by not having to pay huge insurance premiums like US doctors do.

Another big thing to note is that Canada also sees an influx of US trained doctors. Our open borders makes that so and statistics are kept.

In the end, no one has a perfect system, but I expect countries can learn from each other if they want to.


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John wrote this "I am waiting for November 4 when I can celebrate President Trump's re-election. You can quote all the left wing sources you care to, in the end he will win. Yes, there will be voter fraud. It won't matter. But please, tell me why the Democrats are fighting so hard against real voter ID and in person voting?"

I don't know who's gonna win, nobody ever polled me and asked who I was voting for, so I don't know how much they mean. But...what will be funny for me is if Biden wins, will John W continue to say that voter fraud won't matter? Will fraud suddenly be his rallying call?

I suspect yes. And I suspect Trump will fight the result..errr that is if he loses, if he wins of course everything went perfect and we must trust the system...lol

Oh the hilarity

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Kevin, you did not credit your twin brother in this fun little ditty....impressive for an hour's work.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Martin, a lot of what is happening with physician movement to the USA is actually companies recruiting doctors here. Things may be good where you are, but a lot of people in the USA live away from places where medical care is easily available and the US needs more doctors. Full stop. I know from physicians in my own family that this is so.

Couple the hiring incentives with rules and regulations and lower pay here, and of course there will be movement.

Note lower pay here is offset by not having to pay huge insurance premiums like US doctors do.

Another big thing to note is that Canada also sees an influx of US trained doctors. Our open borders makes that so and statistics are kept.

In the end, no one has a perfect system, but I expect countries can learn from each other if they want to.


Over the years, I've had a couple of Canadian doctors tell me why they moved to Houston. Government dominance over their practices and greater income in the US.
The doctors here hate insurance company dominance over their practices. But switch that out for govt employees dominance and it would rise to an entire new level of insanity.


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Kevin fun tune, I think you need to say it will be a beautiful wall, and Mexico will pay for it in the bridge. And possible tag of its gonna be hughhhge!


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I have relatives in Europe they have socialized medicine , they have to wait sometimes a month to get an appointment. My aunt needs physical therapy and has to wait a month for appointment. She visits here and cant believe you can see a guy same day sometimes.

There's a lot of this is that Americans will never tolerate and never be able to adapt to. And obviously the quality of care has to be weaker. socialized medicine also assumes that all doctors are equal and a great surgeon can't make more money than an average one. Dr James Andrews the guy who does all tommy john surgeries and operates on all star athletes wouldn't be able to make that kind of money in socialized medicine .

So its not American in that way. At same time, if you believe that health care is a right and not a luxury, you have to see that cares is not affordable.

Designer arthritis drugs that can essentially stop the disease costs 50 k a year. If somebody has had it for twenty years, and suddenly loses pre existing care, how could they pay for it? And even with coverage the costs are still way too high for most Americans . most basic coverage doesn't cover much .

People talk in terms of lowering costs of drugs . in order to make it meaningful the cost would have to be dropped by 50% if not more. I mean if somebody can't afford 50 k for a drug, they can't afford 45k either.

Drugs are what breaks the back of most people who need them every day.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I have relatives in Europe they have socialized medicine , they have to wait sometimes a month to get an appointment. My aunt needs physical therapy and has to wait a month for appointment. She visits here and cant believe you can see a guy same day sometimes.

There's a lot of this is that Americans will never tolerate and never be able to adapt to. And obviously the quality of care has to be weaker. socialized medicine also assumes that all doctors are equal and a great surgeon can't make more money than an average one. Dr James Andrews the guy who does all tommy john surgeries and operates on all star athletes wouldn't be able to make that kind of money in socialized medicine .

So its not American in that way. At same time, if you believe that health care is a right and not a luxury, you have to see that cares is not affordable.

Designer arthritis drugs that can essentially stop the disease costs 50 k a year. If somebody has had it for twenty years, and suddenly loses pre existing care, how could they pay for it? And even with coverage the costs are still way too high for most Americans . most basic coverage doesn't cover much .

People talk in terms of lowering costs of drugs . in order to make it meaningful the cost would have to be dropped by 50% if not more. I mean if somebody can't afford 50 k for a drug, they can't afford 45k either.

Drugs are what breaks the back of most people who need them every day.


I would like to celebrate an occurrence of agreement.

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Here is something that happened in July 2020. But you didn't hear a lot about it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/24/tru...orders-aimed-at-lowering-drug-costs.html


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Can you FEEL IT?!? I doubt I'm even going to sleep tonight... I should just go camp out at the polls! smile

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Can you FEEL IT?!? I doubt I'm even going to sleep tonight... I should just go camp out at the polls! smile



This election is a hard call. There are a lot of cherry-picked bullsht stats coming out from both sides making the case for a certain victory.
I voted for Trump but give the edge to Biden. Prepare yourself for that very possible outcome.
If Trump does win, his enemies have spent every bullet they had trying to take him down. He will be a force without reckoning in a second term.

We will see.

#1170523 - 11/01/20 02:36 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Can you FEEL IT?!? I doubt I'm even going to sleep tonight... I should just go camp out at the polls! smile



This election is a hard call. There are a lot of cherry-picked bullsht stats coming out from both sides making the case for a certain victory.
I voted for Trump but give the edge to Biden. Prepare yourself for that very possible outcome.
If Trump does win, his enemies have spent every bullet they had trying to take him down. He will be a force without reckoning in a second term.

We will see.


I think it should be an easy call. Look at his rallies compared to Biden's. I voted by absentee ballot from here. No guess who for. I will be back in TN on the 5th. If they all vote the straight ticket, I see us having clear sailing through Congress too.


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The "Trump factor" makes polling him difficult because Trump voter's dont want their car windows kicked in. So they are reluctant to tell anyone that they ae voting for Trump out of fear. And then the major networks add to the fog by putting out ridiculous poll numbers to make it look like Trump is getting trounced when he is not.

But the congressional and senate races...not so much...as proven in the mid-terms. People will admit that they are voting for Cornyn.
I got congress for gone to the dems. I'm hoping the senate hangs on to 51-49 so that they can impede a likely Biden admin.

The rallies only prove that many Trump voters dont have enough sense not to get in a crowd during a pandemic. The mass stupidity amazes me. I dont feel like the rallies display any political advantages beyond an avid but outnumbered base....that "caught the dems lookin'" the last time...but wont again.

Trump has to get all the breaks. Biden does not. In the early going Trump will need FLA and GA or it will be over then. If he gets them, he will need PENN to have a good shot and NC would be a help.. And then he will have to hold Ohio. WI or MI would be great but I doubt it.
Trump needs the Bernie Bros to say effit and stay home and get stoned rather than vote. Biden dumped on Bernie twice in the debates so maybe some of them will,

We will see.

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Good summary Marty. I think trump wins Florida, Ohio, Texas, Georgia and Arizona (?). If that happens, then Pennsylvania decides it probably. And trump is still doing pretty well there. Biden's "oil" comments hurt him there, even if he was being truthful. You can't get to net zero carbon emissions by 2035 or 2050 with the US (and the world) still depending on fossil fuels.

Truthfully, I would just like to see a decisive outcome no matter who wins. It will be better for the country if it goes that way.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Good summary Marty. I think trump wins Florida, Ohio, Texas, Georgia and Arizona (?). If that happens, then Pennsylvania decides it probably. And trump is still doing pretty well there. Biden's "oil" comments hurt him there, even if he was being truthful. You can't get to net zero carbon emissions by 2035 or 2050 with the US (and the world) still depending on fossil fuels.

Truthfully, I would just like to see a decisive outcome no matter who wins. It will be better for the country if it goes that way.


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I see Republicans adding lots of seats if people vote the straight ticket, which very many do. I know people are predicting it close but I don't think that will happen. As for his supporters being stupid, almost all of them are working class Americans who, I'm sure wouldn't appreciate that one bit. It sounds kind of "Deplorable" to me...
PS More black voters are coming over to him every day. They like jobs, and not being pandered to in word and not in deed.


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#1170529 - 11/01/20 05:35 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Honestly... Black folks aren't stupid. Many are truly ashamed and even fearful of what BLM/Antifa started. They know better than anybody that the Democrats had to fund them...

#1170531 - 11/01/20 07:23 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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The only ways were going to have a decisive result is if A, Trump wins or is winning, and he will whine like a baby if Dems challenge it, or B, Biden wins or is winning by a landslide where challenging won't matter.

If Trump loses, the words voter fraud will be lit up across Twitter, if Biden loses you won't hear anything about voter fraud , cause I don't think Biden will go to that extreme.

I have a feeling it won't be decided Tuesday night, but I hope so, I'm tired of the election already, pick a winner and lets mop up the economy which is in complete shambles, unemployment still records highs, covid roaring back.

Lets get this fuakin election behind us


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#1170532 - 11/01/20 07:40 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Again, Pelosi has already gone on record telling Biden to challenge the result if he does not win! Is that called pre-whining?


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#1170534 - 11/01/20 08:25 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
The only ways were going to have a decisive result is if A, Trump wins or is winning, and he will whine like a baby if Dems challenge it, or B, Biden wins or is winning by a landslide where challenging won't matter.

If Trump loses, the words voter fraud will be lit up across Twitter, if Biden loses you won't hear anything about voter fraud , cause I don't think Biden will go to that extreme.

I have a feeling it won't be decided Tuesday night, but I hope so, I'm tired of the election already, pick a winner and lets mop up the economy which is in complete shambles, unemployment still records highs, covid roaring back.

Lets get this fuakin election behind us



This election has the fever of a death match. If there are close states and the outcome is conceivably in the balance...the loser, whichever loses, will raise hell about it.
If there is any actual voter fraud (and there always is)...louder hell.

The dems have proven with Russia and Kavanaugh and Ukraine that they will go to any extreme. Even if cities are burning..."people do what they do."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PlxXhMG2bU



#1170535 - 11/01/20 10:40 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Basing it on right now, trump is the one spying on voters, employing security at polling sites, and the one talking about voter fraud for a long time .

Dems probably would challenge too, but trump is basicly saying if he loses fraud would have to be the reason .

I dont want to see that happen on either side, but it seems both sides are crazy nutjobs more nuttier than in any other election I can remember. So que sera sera

#1170538 - 11/02/20 12:22 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I stand corrected.


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I don't want to say there is not election fraud. When I was in a fraught state at one time I slapped the hand away, finally after a long time of becoming worse than that issue. Which as it turned out the helpers had something up their sleeve.
This election reminds me the most of that.
A distinction between self reliance and dependency.
I could get in to that with the virus. But enough has been said about that already.


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Phffft.... All we're witnessing now is the backlash from Obama's fraudulent presidency...

#1170554 - 11/02/20 12:27 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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So much for lowering the cost of drugs by executive order lol.

This must be some powerful stuff...
https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...020-10?amp&__twitter_impression=true

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#1170564 - 11/02/20 06:09 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Trump said the courts made a terrible decision...but I have no idea why he is trying to impose federal "desire" on to the states. I thought US states were sovereign, and could essentially decide how thier federal elections are run.

Trump has no say whatsoever...

And I see that Republican led state initiatives to limit ballot counts (yes to disenfranchise voters) are failing at the state level


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I still haven't seen an answer as to why the Democrats are so against voter ID and in person voting? I did say that voter fraud won't matter, and it shouldn't, unless there is so much mail in fraud that it tilts the election. That is why Democrats are for it and we aren't. If you can shop in person you should be able to vote in person. It will be interesting to see what the % is between mail in and in person voting...


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#1170576 - 11/03/20 12:54 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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it is several hours since anyone has posted here.
I wonder where all the usual claims and bravado are?

Could it be that these posters are sitting at home on the edge of their beds stroking worry beads? wink

Does life turn into the darkened abyss if Donny does not win?
Does life turn into a living Dante's inferno if Donny does win?

Bwwaaahahahahahahahahh! wink

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The only way it could turn into Dante's inferno would be from more assaults, looting, burning, and rioting in the Democratic controlled cities and states. I see them being very angry. When was the last time you saw this from Republicans? Come on now, there is an easy answer to this one...


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I don't know about the rest of the US, but I was highly encouraged by who showed up at the polls in N Alabama this morning smile

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#1170584 - 11/03/20 04:55 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
The only way it could turn into Dante's inferno would be from more assaults, looting, burning, and rioting in the Democratic controlled cities and states. I see them being very angry. When was the last time you saw this from Republicans? Come on now, there is an easy answer to this one...


An old proverb....

When things go wrong, democrats riot...republicans pray.

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