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#1170367 - 10/28/20 01:20 AM This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D  
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This is an undercover journalist proving massive voter fraud by a Republican operative. It may seem confusing as she's pressuring (successfully) an elderly voter to change her vote from a Republican Senator to a Democrat. But, she works for a Republican. That is because she simply works for the highest bidder. In 2016 Trump won the election based on 80K votes. This woman in the video claims she alone has changed 7000 votes. It only takes a dozen of these people in the country to throw enough votes to throw the election. Imagine what 1000 of these people could do?

I will link 2 videos below. One is the original video published by Project Veritas. The other is by left leaning (his self description) commentator Tim Pool. He breaks it all down to make it clear to understand. If you care about honest elections, there are many other videos showing dishonest stuff to be found, but Project Veritas has never once been proven wrong or forced to retract a story and in 100% of the cases where someone else such as the NY Times has claimed otherwise, they (NY Times and others) have had to retract their claims in after losing in court or to keep from being sued for lying.

Additionally, Twitter is censoring the right, that is clear. But as I warned my left wing friends, they are now also censoring the left. Who? Eric Holder, Obama's Atty. General, had a waring put on his tweet where he is advising fellow Democrats to vote in person, not by mail because it is too late. (The US mail has been audited and loses/misplaces/fails to deliver 2.2% of all mail. ALL MAIL! Imagine with this onrush of mail in ballots how much of a difference that will make? Any state that is single sub 5% win for either candidate could EASILY have been corrupted. Censorship is NEVER the answer. It will always come for those who support it in the end.

Please, if you want your vote to count, vote in person. On this, me and Eric Holder 100% agree.

Here's the Project Veritas video:



Here's the Tim Pool breakdown of the video:



My opinion: This is how the elite in BOTH parties keep the same politicians in power for decades. This is how people like Joe Biden stay in office 47 years. This is how his Republican friends do the same. The R & D by their names mean little beyond which corrupt person gets the money that term. They don't even allow honest people to run. They weed them out in Primaries with a million little tricks and career politicians with more money than any contender having name recognition and non stop propaganda in the media. They are all roleplayers in a corrupt game. And in the fear that a TRUE outsider from ANY direction might get elected, they will happily destroy any candidate to get the final result they need. That is because there are usually 2 people running, both 100% controlled. If one loses to an honest upstart from either parties primary, they pour all their bipartisan support into the remaining Establishment candidate and do anything they can to destroy the person they don't control.


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#1170371 - 10/28/20 02:11 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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This is why we should have only in person voting with voter ID's requiring the same proofs as the new driver's license. The funny thing is, the last presidential election wasn't won by a politician. He has been in office less than 4 years, and has been declaring his love for the country for many years. He has done more in his time in office than any of the last 4 presidents. We have to have someone in the office and I refuse to vote for a mickey mouse candidate who will never win.


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#1170374 - 10/28/20 09:12 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I actually think people stay in power because people vote their party all the time. Only a small fraction are swing voters.

I have spoken to many democrats in past few months, I have yet to hear a negative thing said about their party. And it also amazes me that details don't matter, they don't even follow what their party is doing, they vote by default, and its exactly the same for Republicans. . I see our ray strode here as a staunch republican, I dont think any ongoing phases him at all, and it wouldn't matter if Trump came out on tv and said " I believe in white power, I think vets are suckers, and draft dodging is ok, if you are rich, but dont try it if I start war! He'd still vote for him.

So if you have a state like new York or NJ, dems almost always get the vote, Texas, Arizona the opposite.

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#1170383 - 10/28/20 12:20 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I believe that anyone of whatever party who doesnt think that there are not multitudes of people who would commit voter fraud given the chance...lives in a fool's make believe universe or is just lying because of some felt advantage to lying. At this point, with all the mail-in ballots, I think that we are all waiting and watching to see the magnitude and particular circumstances that might result.

Will voter fraud occur in California and New York?
Yes, but it will very unlikely affect the election because of the overwhelming margin of dem votes cast in those states.

But...GA, FLA, NC , VA, PENN, OH, where the winning margin could conceivably be 10k votes or less (re: hanging chads)...fraud could be a make or break issue depending on the narrowness of the outcome and the assumptions about the breadth of the fraud.

#1170394 - 10/28/20 04:16 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Hard to know what to make of the video. Project Veritas are notorious liars and I spotted a few obvious red flags. No doubt it will be scrutinized and just how much is true will emerge. It's certainly no coincidence that it appears now as the Trump campaign focuses on deligitimizing the election process, but that doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't contain some elements of truth. If it does, Project Veritas will have themselves to blame if people don't believe them because of their record of lying, including a similar attempt to smear Ilhan Omar in Minnesota just last month, which collapsed when one of those they tried to bribe to lie on camera refused. Expect Fox News to be all over this and reputable news sources to be lambasted by the right by not picking it up without first taking the time to establish its authenticity.

Totally agree with Brian's larger points about the influence of money. I would add gerrymandering to the problems with primaries and with the inability to elect to congress the kind of people whom most folks would like to see there.

#1170396 - 10/28/20 04:31 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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President Trump isn't the only one concerned with voter fraud. Pelosi told Biden not to concede the election even if it seems he has lost. Fox news today is not the same as it was ten years ago., not with people like Mike Wallace and Juan, and lots of others like them on it. the debate that Wallace "Moderated" was definitely pro Biden. The last debate, with a definite Democrat moderating was much closer to being fair. Why have the Democrats been fighting tooth and nail against voter ID's? It's not hard to see.


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#1170400 - 10/28/20 06:37 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Chris Wallace actually asked Biden some tough questions that I was not at all sure that he had a good answer for. Luckily for him Trump's constant interruptions saved him from having to answer them at all. I guess that makes Trump biased against Trump. smile

#1170401 - 10/28/20 06:53 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I have to admit that Trump is at his worst when he's onstage with Biden... All the finger pointing and "he said / she said" just makes me ill, there's no substance or point to it. We do far better at that right here on our own lol. smile

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#1170404 - 10/28/20 07:41 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: JAPOV]  
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Originally Posted by JAPOV
I have to admit that Trump is at his worst when he's onstage with Biden... All the finger pointing and "he said / she said" just makes me ill, there's no substance or point to it. We do far better at that right here on our own lol. smile

And Biden is at his worst when he's onstage at all. LOL!


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#1170405 - 10/28/20 08:45 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: JAPOV]  
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Originally Posted by JAPOV
I have to admit that Trump is at his worst when he's onstage with Biden... All the finger pointing and "he said / she said" just makes me ill, there's no substance or point to it. We do far better at that right here on our own lol. smile


He proved in the last debate that he is a very bright guy who can play by the conventional rules well. He had his arguments ready and presented them methodically and peppered in detail.

If only he had done that for the last four years. He'd be walking away with this, virus and all. But something just comes over him and he can't deny the impulse to blurt random sh t.. that is, until the last debate. I was surprised. I expected debate one "lite."


#1170407 - 10/28/20 08:50 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
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I have to admit that Trump is at his worst when he's onstage with Biden... All the finger pointing and "he said / she said" just makes me ill, there's no substance or point to it. We do far better at that right here on our own lol. smile

And Biden is at his worst when he's onstage at all. LOL!


Man...that George thing was wierd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj0DRjlfvhw

#1170408 - 10/28/20 09:20 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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No, its all a matter if Trump decides to listen to advisors or not. Being he's not a politician got him elected, but when it comes to matters needing a politician, he needed to seek advice, and he listened to some extent during covid, and he looked like a respectable leader, but it wasn't consistent enough .

I'm not an Obama supporter, I dont hate him either, he's kind just there for me, but if he was running
especially in his prime, he would have destroyed Trump in any debate, he is way sharper than Biden.

And if the dems had a decent candidate Trump would be toast .

So basicly neither side was able to capitalize on the weakness of the other and probably few people were swayed.

Btw, Trump didn't interrupt as much, but he did make those goofy eyeball gestures when Biden was talking, so he still was trump.

Biden blew a number of chances to get some points, trump didn't miss his.

Shame kids who aspire to be President had to see that display, and its amazing how we can't get two candidates who aren't mid 70 and up!

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#1170410 - 10/28/20 10:36 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I'm still waiting to celebrate when President trump wins again. Obama promised many things and delivered none, except showing how he could show the rest of the world how ashamed he was of America, and try to wreck it in so many other ways. That is the main reason Clinton lost. People finally got tired of all the lies and broken promises. They are still tired.


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#1170411 - 10/28/20 11:07 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Trump only has love for himself. He has spent the last 4 years claiming he loves America while every day he proves his hatred of Americans.

For decades the pendelum has swung from right to left to right to left. The difference with this election is that Trump is not a pendelum swinging to the right, he is a wrecking ball.


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#1170412 - 10/28/20 11:33 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Ah Moose, so wrong. I guess you drank all of the Kool-Ade they gave you then went back for seconds, thirds, fourths...


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#1170414 - 10/29/20 12:35 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I believe the Democrats have swung so far left that centrist businessmen like Trump only seem Republican by comparison. Which leaves the Democrats no choice but to lie, cheat, slander, and steal to win an election. I doubt America will ever see a true Christian, Constitutional Originalist, Conservative Republican again, but in the interim... a shrewd businessman with no inclinations toward sacrificing American sovereignty for the NWO will have to do. smile

#1170415 - 10/29/20 01:19 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Hard to know what to make of the video. Project Veritas are notorious liars and I spotted a few obvious red flags. No doubt it will be scrutinized and just how much is true will emerge. It's certainly no coincidence that it appears now as the Trump campaign focuses on deligitimizing the election process, but that doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't contain some elements of truth. If it does, Project Veritas will have themselves to blame if people don't believe them because of their record of lying, including a similar attempt to smear Ilhan Omar in Minnesota just last month, which collapsed when one of those they tried to bribe to lie on camera refused. Expect Fox News to be all over this and reputable news sources to be lambasted by the right by not picking it up without first taking the time to establish its authenticity.

Totally agree with Brian's larger points about the influence of money. I would add gerrymandering to the problems with primaries and with the inability to elect to congress the kind of people whom most folks would like to see there.


Well Gerrymandering is the ULTIMATE trick of the tradecraft. It would be considered so abhorrent to the founders that if they had conceived of it, they certainly would have explicitly banned it. It assures 2 party control FOREVER. Sure, once in a blue moon a Green or Libertarian might eek out a victory when a particularly heinous incumbent runs in a nearly universal R or D district thus becoming the only opposition, it is so rare and meaningless that it proves the point. This is all to protect the 2 parties which ARE THE SAME ELITES in control. These elections usually are nothing more than a reenactment of a scene from the 80's comedy Trading Places where the two rich brothers bet on a different outcome simply to placate their boredom knowing they'd never lose anything no matter how it turned out. Though I agree that Trump is the most independent non-establishment President we've had since Reagan and Carter before him (the only previos two in my lifetime) he still was deeply in bed with corporate bankers and their bastardization of every loophole they could pay for. He was a HUGE Clinton buddy and supporter after all. The left loved and celebrated him as one of their own until he ran as an R. They are the ones who helped him beat Ted Cruz (it came down to Indiana as to whether Cruz could stop him but Trump dominated, which surprised me at the time). He was seen as nothing more than cannon fodder for Madame Chairwoman until he pulled off the win. But alas.

We are in 100% agreement on this one Gavin. The irony of all of this is I rarely find anyone I agree with less than 80% of the time. The actual areas of disagreement are mostly invented, curated and nurtured by evil entities who specialize in dividing people. With Social Media that wedge is exploited on hyper drive. They know so much about about each of us than we know about ourselves. In most case they know if you'll split up or get divorced long before you know, they know when you will likely die to exacting and terrifying accuracy. They also know exactly how to anger you or make you give up. They know how to drive kids to suicide (and have done it many times without a doubt, Suicides are currently up 800% among youth) and we'll see if they can sway yet another election. They want max chaos, violence in the streets and they want to be able to sell, to the winners, really bad things that they will gobble up simply because "their" guy is in charge. I'll speak more to this after the election emotion starts to wane. But whichever side wins, it will be a pyrrhic one.


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I have to admit that Trump is at his worst when he's onstage with Biden... All the finger pointing and "he said / she said" just makes me ill, there's no substance or point to it. We do far better at that right here on our own lol. smile


He proved in the last debate that he is a very bright guy who can play by the conventional rules well. He had his arguments ready and presented them methodically and peppered in detail.

If only he had done that for the last four years. He'd be walking away with this, virus and all. But something just comes over him and he can't deny the impulse to blurt random sh t.. that is, until the last debate. I was surprised. I expected debate one "lite."



I have a feeling that if he'd done that and played nice he would have lost more battles and may have ended up much like JFK. I still have concerns as the USA would come unglued.


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


I have a feeling that if he'd done that and played nice he would have lost more battles and may have ended up much like JFK. I still have concerns as the USA would come unglued.

President Trump to me, has no filter. I may not agree with some of the things he says, or even how he has lived some of his life, but he has done so much for so many of our citizens I will stand behind him as the best president I have seen in many years. If you go to, or watch, any of his rallies; you will see how many others feel the same.


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A lyricist, should understand the meanings of words and phrases they use.

Kool aid,drinker - definition - slang for a cultist that is in so deep they are like the Jonestown cultists. So deep that even death is not too big a price to pay for their blind devotion.

No not me. i wear a mask, i keep my distance, People at Biden rallies do the same. Thats why Biden cant pack tens of thousands into his rallies like alleged rapist and confessed peeping tom of under age girls, Donald Jerkface trump does with his cattle drives/rallies..

it is the Trump (excuse the obsenity) followers that are in so deep that they risk getting covid, they risk spreading it to their loved ones, they risk killing themselves or their loved ones with the virus they picked up at the turd rump rally along with the preprinted signs they wave that tell the world (and themselves) what they are thinking.

Herman Cain died of Covid he picked up at a maskless trump gathering. He was a Kool aid drinker.
Chris Christie was put in the hospital from Covid form a maskless Trump garden party. He is a recovering Kool Aid drinker.

Oh the people directly behind Dumb Donnies rallies wear masks, at least for a while, The organizers of tRUMP rallies always make sure there are masks and a token black or two in the crowd behind trump that mostly gets shown on the news. but if the shot pans out to the larger audience, maybe one in 10 are wearing a mask. dumb ass dumb tuck Koolaid drinkers.


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#1170419 - 10/29/20 07:07 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


I have a feeling that if he'd done that and played nice he would have lost more battles and may have ended up much like JFK. I still have concerns as the USA would come unglued.


We will never know for sure. I can't help believing that if Trump was more deliberate in his responses for the last four years, he could have beat back the forces against him and kept many of the soccer moms and independents. But..."it is what it is." We will see how it turns out.

#1170420 - 10/29/20 07:19 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Moosesong]  
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Originally Posted by Moosesong
A lyricist, should understand the meanings of words and phrases they use.

Kool aid,drinker - definition - slang for a cultist that is in so deep they are like the Jonestown cultists. So deep that even death is not too big a price to pay for their blind devotion.

No not me. i wear a mask, i keep my distance, People at Biden rallies do the same. Thats why Biden cant pack tens of thousands into his rallies like alleged rapist and confessed peeping tom of under age girls, Donald Jerkface trump does with his cattle drives/rallies..

it is the Trump (excuse the obsenity) followers that are in so deep that they risk getting covid, they risk spreading it to their loved ones, they risk killing themselves or their loved ones with the virus they picked up at the turd rump rally along with the preprinted signs they wave that tell the world (and themselves) what they are thinking.

Herman Cain died of Covid he picked up at a maskless trump gathering. He was a Kool aid drinker.
Chris Christie was put in the hospital from Covid form a maskless Trump garden party. He is a recovering Kool Aid drinker.

Oh the people directly behind Dumb Donnies rallies wear masks, at least for a while, The organizers of tRUMP rallies always make sure there are masks and a token black or two in the crowd behind trump that mostly gets shown on the news. but if the shot pans out to the larger audience, maybe one in 10 are wearing a mask. dumb ass dumb tuck Koolaid drinkers.



Imo...there is clearly something to what you say about the cultish nature of it. I have seen it in some people who I know well. One person who I know and like, who was a c19 hoaxer, ended up in the hospital with c19 and after that ....even said that they believe all the Q-anon stuff about the child sex ring etc, which is baffling as hell to me. I'd have to bear first hand witness to any of that to believe it. Q-anon is not going to simply insert it into my brain over the internet. Having said that, I consider the "Russian hoax" at almost the same level of collective insanity. The pissing on the bed thing is not to the level of child-molestation.

Nonetheless, given the choice between a Trump Admin and a Biden Admin...and further considering the people and collective mentality that will come with Biden...I voted for Trump. I am not religious and don't subscribe into the anti-Christ-rapture-1000-year stuff either, but as JAPOV said....in the interim of a better alternative Trump will have to do. Or has had to do? I don't like his chances to re-elect.

Like Japov, sovereignty is of massive importance to me but to democrats...it seems not.

#1170424 - 10/29/20 08:37 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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The problem is that Trump doing in the interim, is plain and simply cause he is the republican candidate ???. possibly? if he was Democrat, you'd write him off in a heartbeat .

His love for America is highly suspect, as well. Vets may agree, and he did dodge the draft, which real republicans would rake a dem who did that over it. His love of the middle class and poor is non existent. And when he was doing business he sent business over seas, suddenly he BELIEVES in keeping it here.

His love of the elderly is also foggy, and he may hurt social security and may not cover pre existing conditions. We know the Schtick, what we don't know is when Obama care...as bad as it was, goes, will preexisting conditions be covered . its standard practice for schrewed callous businessmen to save money for the wealthy , he should tell us what the plan is before we vote for him. It seems fishy

So there's a lot at stake beyond rhetoric .Forget personal traits I don't care if he's a douchebag , I care if he considers Americans are all equal, in class and in race.

I like his supposed care of criminal justice and lawfulness, but his own lawlessness counters that.

I'm concerned with the middle class. I'm concerned about healthcare which is simply not affordable and wasn't affordable under Obama either.

I'm concerned with social security . There is no doubt that Trump has lied incessantly about many things, and the wall was not paid for by Mexico. He also recently claimed China waa going to pay for the stimulus bill.

That Trump is an obvious choice is missing it.

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#1170428 - 10/29/20 09:43 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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The problem is that Trump doing in the interim, is plain and simply cause he is the republican candidate ???. possibly? if he was Democrat, you'd write him off in a heartbeat .

His love for America is highly suspect, as well. Vets may agree, and he did dodge the draft, which real republicans would rake a dem who did that over it. His love of the middle class and poor is non existent. And when he was doing business he sent business over seas, suddenly he BELIEVES in keeping it here.

His love of the elderly is also foggy, and he may hurt social security and may not cover pre existing conditions. We know the Schtick, what we don't know is when Obama care...as bad as it was, goes, will preexisting conditions be covered . its standard practice for schrewed callous businessmen to save money for the wealthy , he should tell us what the plan is before we vote for him. It seems fishy

So there's a lot at stake beyond rhetoric .Forget personal traits I don't care if he's a douchebag , I care if he considers Americans are all equal, in class and in race.

I like his supposed care of criminal justice and lawfulness, but his own lawlessness counters that.

I'm concerned with the middle class. I'm concerned about healthcare which is simply not affordable and wasn't affordable under Obama either.

I'm concerned with social security . There is no doubt that Trump has lied incessantly about many things, and the wall was not paid for by Mexico. He also recently claimed China waa going to pay for the stimulus bill.

That Trump is an obvious choice is missing it.


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When I read stuff like this, all I see is a contrarian fog full of maybes and could bes and what ifs. Orange man is a racist. Orange man dont like old people. Orange man thinks vets are stupid because someone who wont step forward said so somewhere. Maybe Trump is these things. Maybe not. If one looked critically at Biden's contrasting statement between Blacks versus Hispanics, and the "all cleaned up" thing...one might see racism also. If Trump had made that statement, there is no doubt about how the press coverage would have portrayed it.

But for the country, there are very pressing issues. And we all have our personal priorities. I see none of mine in this fog.

I just see someone arguing for the sake of argument, not presenting any constructive suggestions and seemingly needing to tell their self that everyone but them is futile and stupid. Once again...No Sale.

Trump admin versus a Biden Admin will result in very different realities and outcomes. That is the choice to be made.


#1170429 - 10/29/20 10:36 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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More than fraud, I think the "voter ballot-counting" lawsuits will have more of an effect on the outcome. The US constitution pretty much puts the state voting rules in the hands of the state legislature (and I guess the state courts). They should be able to do whatever they want as long as the state does not deny or abridge the rights of legal voters based on race and color (15th amendment) , sex (19th amendment), age if over 18 (26th amendment) or poll taxes (24th amendment) .

Therefore if a state says mail in ballots have to a) arrive by election day or b) be postmarked by election day, that should be it and I don't think the federal courts should get involved. The constitution doesn't tell the states how to do their voting, just that they can't deny or abridge voting rights based on the above list. I guess the problem now is that state legislatures and state courts are trying to make accommodations for covid-19. But again that seems like it should be a battle between the legislature, governor and state courts, with the federal courts staying out of it. BUT, as we can see, the federal courts and the US Supreme court are getting involved.

By the way, The first thing I do when asked to watch a "political" or "covid" youtube video is to check out the source. In this case the source is Project Veritas (as Gavin pointed out). Therefore, I am not going to waste any of my time watching it. Could this claim (whatever it is) be true? Yes it can, but the source is tainted beyond repair. It is like listening to Alex Jones and waiting for some verifiably true statement to be said. It will come along, but it is not worth sitting through all the vile to get to it.


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#1170430 - 10/29/20 11:25 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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By the way, The first thing I do when asked to watch a "political" or "covid" youtube video is to check out the source. In this case the source is Project Veritas (as Gavin pointed out). Therefore, I am not going to waste any of my time watching it. Could this claim (whatever it is) be true? Yes it can, but the source is tainted beyond repair. It is like listening to Alex Jones and waiting for some verifiably true statement to be said. It will come along, but it is not worth sitting through all the vile to get to it.



Truth is Truth. American politics is a landscape of lies. I suggest taking the truth wherever it can actually be found. If you want to see a glaring lie, find a youtube video that shows Joe Biden's various positions on Fracking contrasted with his absolute denial at the last debate. it's all pretty ugly.

But if you relish in exposing the other guy's lies but can't face the blatant ones that your team is putting out....then you do not have enough information to be well informed. If it is possible to be well informed anymore.

#1170432 - 10/29/20 11:49 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney


I have a feeling that if he'd done that and played nice he would have lost more battles and may have ended up much like JFK. I still have concerns as the USA would come unglued.

President Trump to me, has no filter. I may not agree with some of the things he says, or even how he has lived some of his life, but he has done so much for so many of our citizens I will stand behind him as the best president I have seen in many years. If you go to, or watch, any of his rallies; you will see how many others feel the same.

John, you are a modern day Titania, transported from an Athenian wood to your South Pacific idyll, showering kisses on Trump's Bottom, while murmuring. "O, how I love thee! how I dote on thee!" Where you see a handsome prince, those not under the spell observe the less enticing reality. We can only hope that when you are done rounding his hairy temples with a coronet of fresh and fragrant flowers, you will like Titania awake with a cry of,
"My Oberon! what visions have I seen!
Methought I was enamour'd of an ass."

#1170433 - 10/29/20 01:24 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Yeah Johns always having to call him mister trump, makes me think bad things. I know people who vote for him but they don't call him Mr Trump. He doesn't deserve that kind of respect, even if he is the choice of subtraction.

And Marty, nobody cares about orange hair. Stop patronizing the debate.

If one fuAcks with social security wouldnt you say they have little regard for the elderly?

If one takes away pre existing coverage, would that tip you off that perhaps they don't give a [naughty word removed] about both the elderly and plain people who can't afford it?

Theres two America's right now, one that gauges success by the stock market...which has tanked, the other who wonder if they have a job to go to

To you the only thing wrong with trump is orange hair?


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yeah Johns always having to call him mister trump, makes me think bad things. I know people who vote for him but they don't call him Mr Trump. He doesn't deserve that kind of respect, even if he is the choice of subtraction.

And Marty, nobody cares about orange hair. Stop patronizing the debate.

If one fuAcks with social security wouldnt you say they have little regard for the elderly?

If one takes away pre existing coverage, would that tip you off that perhaps they don't give a [naughty word removed] about both the elderly and plain people who can't afford it?


Stop patronizing the debate? Me?

Both sides are showing "evidence" that the other is going to diminish SS. How would you know what is true and what is not?
Answer: you dont.

The reality...they are all playing musical chairs with SS. SS is destined to fail because the demographics and numbers arent there. It desperately needs an overhaul. So do all of the govts unfunded liabilities. An overhaul that should include some harsh realities. Both sides are going to dance away from it, watch it collapse and then blame the other.

Pre-existing conditions. I have seen no evidence that Trump is nailing down a plan to remove Pre-existing conditions. There is lots of evidence that the accusation is being made, but no evidence of the deed itself.
Where is your evidence that he did?
Answer: You have no answer, just more fog.

Finally...how do you define the word "patronizing?"

#1170436 - 10/29/20 02:10 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Your little Mary contrary bit, as if that's all the argument is.

Ok so we don't know what Trump will do with ss and pre existing conditions , so if he wins and does that, you will say here that you made the wrong choice?

There was also no evidence that Mexico would pay foe the wall, or that he will do anything about immigration, Obama deported more people than Trump did.

Why did Trump donate to kamala Harris I'd she was so bad? Shes only bad cause she's running?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Your little Mary contrary bit, as if that's all the argument is.

Ok so we don't know what Trump will do with ss and pre existing conditions , so if he wins and does that, you will say here that you made the wrong choice?



I'm going to stop at that one in an effort to contain confusion.

A post back you said that Trump was gunning for pre-conditions.
I said that there was no proof of that and asked if you had any.
You came back and said that there is none.

But even so you say...if he wins and he does it, then this and that...?

By the same token he may win and order the Navy to bomb New York, New Jersey and California...BUT THERE IS NO PROOF OF THAT INTENT


Question: How do you expect adults to make sense out of anything that you post?
Question 2...How does your garden grow?

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I don't have proof that you are even a real person, but you type and I determine that you are, possibly a woman, but a person.

But he's in court trying to do away with Obama care, if he gets that done, and replaces it, we are at the mercy if what a out of touch billionaire wants to do. Am I wrong to want to know what his health care plan is? I'd say the vast majority of Americans are concerned about how they will afford care.

Your the only one here who doesn't understand me, so maybe that's a personal problem? Did anybody understand your Mary contrary?

https://khn.org/news/trumps-executive-order-on-preexisting-conditions-lacks-teeth-experts-say/

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I don't have proof that you are even a real person, but you type and I determine that you are, possibly a woman, but a person.

But he's in court trying to do away with Obama care, if he gets that done, and replaces it, we are at the mercy if what a out of touch billionaire wants to do. Am I wrong to want to know what his health care plan is? I'd say the vast majority of Americans are concerned about how they will afford care.

Your the only one here who doesn't understand me, so maybe that's a personal problem? Did anybody understand your Mary contrary?

https://khn.org/news/trumps-executive-order-on-preexisting-conditions-lacks-teeth-experts-say/


Federal Healthcare.

Should never have been mandatory with penalties for non participation..
That was not constitutional and correctly reversed. it was govt usurpation.
Freedom and constitutionality is also an issue to be considered.

Problem...
the numbers never ever worked. Money in was a fraction of money out. Massive subsidization is required from somewhere.
It was always just a set up or a "nose under the tent" to a single payer system to be fully funded by the govt in incremental steps. Look at how California's was done.
Massive state cash infusions.

Problem,,,
Fed Govt is not actually solvent. In a strange new world the US is still able to borrow money to meet it's annual payout, notwithstanding a debt that is closing in on 30 trillion and climbing. The day is coming when it cant.

Biggest problem
Nothing really makes fully funded govt healthcare viable. The money to get it done does not and will not exist.

Trump is trying to do something with it, in spite of the fact that it is not truly viable and no where near self supporting.
I think that the idea is to keep the private insurance system healthy, self sustaining and predominant...and minimize the size of the govt subsidy required to sustain Federal Healthcare to those who cant afford private insurance.


??Possibly a woman??? Elaborate on that.

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I'm on my county election board and voter fraud committed by one or two persons is the norm, not hundreds. A large amount of fraudulent ballots returned to the board for counting are easy to catch. Unless you have complicity in the election board itself, which is also rare. Except in Bladen, and to some extent, Robeson Counties, NC. There, McCrae Dowless was paid to harvest absentee ballots from voters, threw Democrat cast votes away, changed some, and turned in all for his client. His client, a Republican, gained an illegal 905 votes to defeat the Democrat for congress. The result was another election. Keep in mind, all ballots - and all tracking for those ballots - are maintained for years, and if found to be fraudulent, sent to the U.S. attorney for prosecution. Fake films are just a diversion designed to suppress votes, delegitimize elections, and sow distrust in what is actually a very trustworthy system run by professionals in every state.

#1170441 - 10/29/20 04:19 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Craig Allen]  
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Originally Posted by Craig Allen
I'm on my county election board and voter fraud committed by one or two persons is the norm, not hundreds. A large amount of fraudulent ballots returned to the board for counting are easy to catch. Unless you have complicity in the election board itself, which is also rare. Except in Bladen, and to some extent, Robeson Counties, NC. There, McCrae Dowless was paid to harvest absentee ballots from voters, threw Democrat cast votes away, changed some, and turned in all for his client. His client, a Republican, gained an illegal 905 votes to defeat the Democrat for congress. The result was another election. Keep in mind, all ballots - and all tracking for those ballots - are maintained for years, and if found to be fraudulent, sent to the U.S. attorney for prosecution. Fake films are just a diversion designed to suppress votes, delegitimize elections, and sow distrust in what is actually a very trustworthy system run by professionals in every state.


In the case of covid world , where one assumes there are states with thousands of "unsolicited ballots" going out and coming back in...how does a govt entity confirm that each and every ballot was executed by the signatory or that the signatory is a registered voter and not a forger?

#1170442 - 10/29/20 04:21 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Martin, of course fully funded government healthcare is viable. The money for it already exists. You just transfer your insurance premiums from a greedy and inefficient private insurer to an inefficient but not as greedy government. You end up paying less and have the individual and societal benefit of not tying people's health insurance to their employment. It is simpler, cheaper and more efficient. It's not socialism, it's just the most effective way to deliver healthcare. This is so blindingly obvious that I won't even get drawn into an endless debate on the subject smile

#1170443 - 10/29/20 04:24 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Trump is a businessman, plain and simple. All the Democrats and half the Republicans hate him because "He is a businessman". He has been rubbing elbows with both sides of the political elite all his life. Nobody knows better than Trump how corrupt our political system is because "both sides" have been after his money all his life. So, if you can take a moment and try to see from his perspective, you'll understand his promise to "drain the swamp" is a real threat. When Trump says he loves America, he's saying he loves what has made him successful, and that's what makes him a loyal patriot. He understands that less government restrictions and more competition in the free market is what really drives the economy. One centralized global bank and government would crush the free market, and guys like Trump would never have an opportunity to succeed again. The Socialist elite see the free market as a kind of chaos that needs to be controlled. Trump understands that what's good for government isn't always what's good for the free market people, but what's good for the free market is always what's best for government. Healthcare for example... Trump knows that insurance companies, lawyers, and big pharma have been dictating medical practice for many years now, and doctors are just middle men between the general public and healthcare profits. Imagine what kind of healthcare America could have if government would just get out of the way and allow doctors to practice medicine again. Now imagine the media shitstorm that would hit if Trump just came straight out and said that....

Trump is "a businessman" and he has to play the long game. His adversaries know that he's gunning for them and he will never make any progress unless he drains the swamp first. Do I like Trump as a person? Never met him and don't care... Do I believe a successful businessman when he says the system is corrupt and the swamp needs to be drained? I say it's been obvious that the federal government has been in business for itself for a long time. Is it easy for me to see that Trump is not just another inbred politician who bought the presidency? Absolutely. Will the Socialist, Globalist, Democrats do anything they possibly can to screw with this election? Bet on it!

#1170444 - 10/29/20 04:25 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Martin, of course fully funded government healthcare is viable. The money for it already exists. You just transfer your insurance premiums from a greedy and inefficient private insurer to an inefficient but not as greedy government. You end up paying less and have the individual and societal benefit of not tying people's health insurance to their employment. It is simpler, cheaper and more efficient. It's not socialism, it's just the most effective way to deliver healthcare. This is so blindingly obvious that I won't even get drawn into an endless debate on the subject smile


I transfer my benefit payments to the government and the government seamlessly works it into a hyper efficient govt funded system?
And the "profits" are eliminated thereby bringing the cost down?
And all the people who are added who pay nothing or very little?...where does the money come from to cover their medical expenses?

The same IOU's that sit in SoSec right now after the money was transferred into the general fund and spent in prior years?

#1170445 - 10/29/20 04:38 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Tony, I've encountered enough "businessmen" like him to last me a lifetime. smile

But there is no point in arguing with someone you like just because on this one particular occasion he is being a horse's hind quarters* LOL. This is my new therapy - friendly insults instead of pointless arguments. It takes less time and achieves about the same result.

* - Someone incapable of seeing that I am right and they are, of course, wrong.

#1170447 - 10/29/20 05:17 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Three men come to Saint Peters gate and he welcomes them but explains that they can't come in right now because the gate is broken. The first man, a carpenter, looks at the gate for a few minutes and tells Saint Peter "No problem, I can have this working in a day. It will cost you one million dollars." The second man, a contractor, looks it over for about an hour and says " No problem. I can draw up the plans and have it fixed for you in a week. It will only cost you two million dollars." The third man, a politician looks it over for half a day, walks up and shakes Saint Peter's hand. He says "No problem, I can have it fixed for you in a day too. It will only cost you three million dollars." Saint Peter looks him up and down and asks "Why will it cost so much more from you?" The politician pulls him aside and says "That's simple, one million is for me, one is for you, and we will pay the carpenter his million and the gate will be fixed good as new."

This is how government had been run for decades. It is also how social security has been run, and the medicare/medicaid, and all the social welfare programs have been run. do we really need them to run healthcare programs for all Americans? The money is not there for all Americans to have medical insurance without severely compromising the quality of the healthcare we get now. The pie in the sky solutions the Democrats keep blaring out will bankrupt the economy. It will bankrupt the businesses, and it will bankrupt all of the working class and the wealthy. In other words, it will bankrupt the country. The government can't even provide full medical care for it's elderly right now. For me, who has worked all his life and is now enjoying the benefits (?) of retirement, I have to pay around $400+ every month for extra fees to medicare, and for supplemental insurance.
When the government cuts the payouts to all healthcare providers, who are going to want to work in those systems? How many are going to want to put in all the extra years and money for education to be doctors if they can't make the money to pay back the staggering student loans? Who are going to work for cents on the dollar of what they used to make. Workers at hospitals will be reduced to fast food workers wages?


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#1170448 - 10/29/20 05:36 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yeah Johns always having to call him mister trump, makes me think bad things. I know people who vote for him but they don't call him Mr Trump. He doesn't deserve that kind of respect, even if he is the choice of subtraction.

And Marty, nobody cares about orange hair. Stop patronizing the debate.

If one fuAcks with social security wouldnt you say they have little regard for the elderly?

If one takes away pre existing coverage, would that tip you off that perhaps they don't give a [naughty word removed] about both the elderly and plain people who can't afford it?

Theres two America's right now, one that gauges success by the stock market...which has tanked, the other who wonder if they have a job to go to

To you the only thing wrong with trump is orange hair?



I don't call him Mr. Trump, I call him "President Trump", because I know this really burns your butt, and a number of others here. It is hard for you and the bunch, to even capitalize his name. You, and they, through selective memory; don't recall "You can keep your Doctor, you can keep your insurance" etc. and on, and on, and on!

There are still IOU"s in Social Security, from many previous administrations, who took the money out to prop up other programs. The problem today is there are fewer people paying into it. They are either not working, or working under the table to avoid paying their fair share. Many of them, when they retire, will still look to the government for handouts.

What the newest plan, when it comes out, will do; is take care of all Americans. Unlike the previous administration, you can believe that when he says they will cover something, they will do it. Like his border wall equaling 371 miles of new wall since 2016, as illustrated below. And yes, Mexico is at least paying for some of it through less money coming to them from the drug traffickers and other illegal operations funneling so much back there.

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system

He has also brought manufacturing jobs back which others swore could never happen.


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#1170450 - 10/29/20 06:22 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Tony, I've encountered enough "businessmen" like him to last me a lifetime. smile

But there is no point in arguing with someone you like just because on this one particular occasion he is being a horse's hind quarters* LOL. This is my new therapy - friendly insults instead of pointless arguments. It takes less time and achieves about the same result.

* - Someone incapable of seeing that I am right and they are, of course, wrong.


Lol... Still loving your avatar Gav! smile

#1170451 - 10/29/20 06:31 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Ok, you call him president Trump, there's no need we know who he is.

It doesn't burn my butt calling him president Trump, he is that . I don't think that's your reason though .

Mexico's President himself said on national TV were not fuacking paying for the wall, and they didn't. He's recent claim is that China will pay for stimulus, he's 0-1

Far as me not capitalizing his name. I'm on a tablet most of the time I'm mobile often, and its extra work to shift to capitalize.... Actually its work no matter what I use, when it's not needed. Sometimes I do it, sometimes I dont, and it gets annoying to worry about it, especially when typing so much, more than I should be...lol

But I'm not convinced of why you take the time out to type president Trump, that's actually worse than Mr Trump

And I dont hate TTTrump, but I'm concerned, and concerned no matter who wins

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#1170453 - 10/29/20 06:47 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Three men come to Saint Peters gate and he welcomes them but explains that they can't come in right now because the gate is broken. The first man, a carpenter, looks at the gate for a few minutes and tells Saint Peter "No problem, I can have this working in a day. It will cost you one million dollars." The second man, a contractor, looks it over for about an hour and says " No problem. I can draw up the plans and have it fixed for you in a week. It will only cost you two million dollars." The third man, a politician looks it over for half a day, walks up and shakes Saint Peter's hand. He says "No problem, I can have it fixed for you in a day too. It will only cost you three million dollars." Saint Peter looks him up and down and asks "Why will it cost so much more from you?" The politician pulls him aside and says "That's simple, one million is for me, one is for you, and we will pay the carpenter his million and the gate will be fixed good as new."

This is how government had been run for decades. It is also how social security has been run, and the medicare/medicaid, and all the social welfare programs have been run. do we really need them to run healthcare programs for all Americans? The money is not there for all Americans to have medical insurance without severely compromising the quality of the healthcare we get now. The pie in the sky solutions the Democrats keep blaring out will bankrupt the economy. It will bankrupt the businesses, and it will bankrupt all of the working class and the wealthy. In other words, it will bankrupt the country. The government can't even provide full medical care for it's elderly right now. For me, who has worked all his life and is now enjoying the benefits (?) of retirement, I have to pay around $400+ every month for extra fees to medicare, and for supplemental insurance.
When the government cuts the payouts to all healthcare providers, who are going to want to work in those systems? How many are going to want to put in all the extra years and money for education to be doctors if they can't make the money to pay back the staggering student loans? Who are going to work for cents on the dollar of what they used to make. Workers at hospitals will be reduced to fast food workers wages?


I was a CNA my senior year of high school and a field corpsman in the military... but I retired as an independent contractor because the money was much better!

#1170455 - 10/29/20 08:50 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I spent my last 30 years as a Peds Nurse. I had people complaining I was making too much money until they realized I was working 72 hours a week average.


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#1170456 - 10/29/20 10:41 PM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I'm over 65. Saturday I am going to 2 doctor appointments. 2 appointments in one day. In the decade that i was 20 to when i was 30, i went to the doctor once. once in over ten years.

Somewhere around then, ii once threw away an asprin bottle that had expried years ago, unopened.

My only point is that old people like me, on average, are FAR more expensive to insure than theunder 65 crowd that medicare does not cover. While we think of health insurance for everyone as maybe 2 or 3 times more than current medicare, it might only be 50 percent more.

Also while i am old enough to enroll in medicare, I have a better work supplied health insurance, so I am sticking with that
Yes, atleast this private insurance is better than medicare, but the more important point is medicare does not steal away your existing coverage if you don't want it yet.
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#1170457 - 10/30/20 12:22 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Moosesong]  
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Originally Posted by Moosesong
I'm over 65. Saturday I am going to 2 doctor appointments. 2 appointments in one day. In the decade that i was 20 to when i was 30, i went to the doctor once. once in over ten years.

Somewhere around then, ii once threw away an asprin bottle that had expried years ago, unopened.

My only point is that old people like me, on average, are FAR more expensive to insure than theunder 65 crowd that medicare does not cover. While we think of health insurance for everyone as maybe 2 or 3 times more than current medicare, it might only be 50 percent more.

Also while i am old enough to enroll in medicare, I have a better work supplied health insurance, so I am sticking with that
Yes, atleast this private insurance is better than medicare, but the more important point is medicare does not steal away your existing coverage if you don't want it yet.
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Ah, you mean like Obamacare and the single payer system the socialists are proposing? and what they really want is medicaid for all, with fully paid healthcare for everyone, including all illegals. And after they get open borders, think of all the people flowing in for the free everything they are promising. Won't that be great?

PS, I am 70 and I pay all my own healthcare, which is very little, out of pocket.


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#1170460 - 10/30/20 07:24 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck

Ah, you mean like Obamacare and the single payer system the socialists are proposing? and what they really want is medicaid for all, with fully paid healthcare for everyone, including all illegals. And after they get open borders, think of all the people flowing in for the free everything they are promising. Won't that be great?

PS, I am 70 and I pay all my own healthcare, which is very little, out of pocket.


That is a big reason why these socialist nations like Venezuela, Greece and the USSR fail. They do not consider the weight of all of the unintended consequences until it collapses under the weight.

And then they end up with nothing to provide anyone.

If the dems get the presidency and both houses, there will be a massive move towards socialism with little regard for what will sustain it economically. And they may get all three. If they get all three, there will be a massive backlash in the midterms, but socialist laws coming out of the presidency and congress for two years could possibly collapse an economy that is already laid over a mountain of debt.

Biden says that he is not a socialist. Even if he is not, after seeing the "George thing" I dont think that he is viable and physically capable of executing the job with all the pressure and concentration that it demands. It is not impossible that the stress and pressure could kill him or debilitate him. I suspect that the actual execution of the presidency will be someone(s) else. I've no idea who it will be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj0DRjlfvhw

We will see and hope.



#1170461 - 10/30/20 09:24 AM Re: This is why Voter Fraud should concern BOTH R & D [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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The problem with throwing the "socialism" label around is that you use it as a pejorative and only focus on certain parts of it to throw the baby out with the bath water.

First off, you can have social programs without being a socialist country. Canada is NOT a socialist country, but we do have some important social welfare programs...modelling ourselves after the mixed economies of Europe.

The US too has social welfare programs. It's just that no one questions all the money that goes to farmers to grow no crops or to subsidize them...and that has been going on for decades, as have other government monies for large corporations, or programs that create the conditions for companies to "socialize" their costs...such as pollution, strip mining, fracking (yes the data says it causes earth quakes) ...and more...or that prop them up to remain competitive (saves jobs you know...but still socialism)

One thing that baffles me is the "horror" of universal medical coverage...Obamacare on steroids if you will.

In a follow the money exercise, have a look at what industries pay the most in lobbying the US government. I showed that awhile back, and the medical and medical insurance companies are near the top of the list....what do you suppose they are lobbying for? My take is that they are making lots and lots of money for their services and simply want to control their own destinies and pathways to those profits. Universal health care will definitely take a bite out of that, AND change the playing field.

The argument to do this is persuasive because medical expenses are a huge burden if you have to cover it yourself.

And if you look beyond your borders, you will find all sorts of good examples where it works and it does not lead to communism

But understand that the sentiment you have AGAINST it is most likely manufactured by the lobbying interest of those making money of the current system. Their articles and pundits in pocket are what you see in the news.





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