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#1169509 - 09/23/20 08:14 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Originally Posted by Ripley
did IQs just drop sharply while i was away?


The national guard is under control of the state's governor unless there are called up for war or national emergency. yes, trump is trying to pre-empt all national guard actively because he is a fascist and loves using the military on his so called "enemies".


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Ripley
did IQs just drop sharply while i was away?


The national guard is under control of the state's governor unless there are called up for war or national emergency. yes, trump is trying to pre-empt all national guard actively because he is a fascist and loves using the military on his so called "enemies".


What...exactly...is a "facist?
Please be specific.
"Somebody that I like at all" is not an answer.

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Just so you are more informed on the Florida voting for felons

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Florida voters passed a measure in 2018 to restore voting rights to felons who have not been convicted of murder or sexual offenses and who had completed their sentences.
Republicans in the state legislature responded by passing a law in 2019 requiring those felons to pay any outstanding fines and fees to consider their sentence complete.
Voting rights groups sued over the law, comparing it to a poll tax, but an appeals court earlier this month ruled the law was constitutional.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Ripley
did IQs just drop sharply while i was away?


The national guard is under control of the state's governor unless there are called up for war or national emergency. yes, trump is trying to pre-empt all national guard actively because he is a fascist and loves using the military on his so called "enemies".


I love it, we know we have won when the name calling starts! It will get much worse when President Trump wins again because so many ordinary citizens are becoming "Woke'. They have awakened to the truth that Democrats are only giving away their money, and in the process keeping minorities under their thumbs!


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Ripley
did IQs just drop sharply while i was away?


The national guard is under control of the state's governor unless there are called up for war or national emergency. yes, trump is trying to pre-empt all national guard actively because he is a fascist and loves using the military on his so called "enemies".

The National Guard was used for riots in the 60's. What's different today?

John

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We are not talking about riots, we are talking about using troops on the cities of the US for law enforcement activities.


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For one specific reason, not giving traffic tickets, burglary etc. But you would rather de-fund the police!

The worst thing is the police know where all the gang activity and drug activity is in their cities but they can't do anything about it because they are outgunned. And, almost all of those areas are in Democratically run cities! Imagine that!


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Ripley
did IQs just drop sharply while i was away?


The national guard is under control of the state's governor unless there are called up for war or national emergency. yes, trump is trying to pre-empt all national guard actively because he is a fascist and loves using the military on his so called "enemies".

The National Guard was used for riots in the 60's. What's different today?

John

YUP!


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#1169521 - 09/24/20 07:38 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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#1169525 - 09/24/20 08:16 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
We are not talking about riots, we are talking about using troops on the cities of the US for law enforcement activities.



Setting police stations on fire qualifies as "rioting." So does attempting to set Federal govt buildings on fire.
Commandeering city blocks in Seattle also qualifies.

Trump may win. If he does, your fellow dimocrats are going to go insane.
If the election is contested and the results suspend in abeyance, they may go "off the edge" then.
In either of those events, I suspect that some of them will take to the streets and "commence the revolution."

Do you, Kevin, support them in doing that?
In the event of a Trump re-election would you consider their rioting as "justified."
Would you be sympathetic towards it?
If the property damage is so vast that the local police cannot stop it because they are spread thin and/or reluctant to take decisive action for fear of being prosecuted.. and a governor will not effectively deploy the National Guard...do you support bringing in the Army to save property and life?
Would you just let Seattle burn rather than doing that?


Regarding the use of troops....
I dont know who these people are that host the website below, but the points that they make about fed troops are valid. If you read it, that will clear up some misconceptions that you have. If you dont want to believe it, you can check it against other sources.

https://theconversation.com/can-the...ry-to-occupy-us-cities-and-states-139844

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
In the event of a Trump re-election would you consider their rioting as "justified."
Would you be sympathetic towards it?


I guess in trump's own words. "We will have to see. Only if it is a free and fair election"

News flash to all the fox news / trump cult members : To deflect a lawsuit, Fox news had to claim that Tucker Carlson can't reasonably be expected to provide accurate information to viewers.
https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-rules-fox-news-173700477.html Ha, ha -- you just can't make this stuff up.


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#1169555 - 09/26/20 11:47 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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This just in

Fox News was forced to publicly state that Tucker Carlson could not be trusted after a lawsuit was brought against him for deliberately mistating facts to slander Karen mcDougall, the playboy model at the centre of the Michael Cohen payoff and national Enquirer story burial. Fox News had to admit that one of its lead commentators cannot be counted on the be accurate\truthful when discussing the news of the day, even when he, as was his assertion when he lied, he was simply stating the facts of the case


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
In the event of a Trump re-election would you consider their rioting as "justified."
Would you be sympathetic towards it?


I guess in trump's own words. "We will have to see. Only if it is a free and fair election"

News flash to all the fox news / trump cult members : To deflect a lawsuit, Fox news had to claim that Tucker Carlson can't reasonably be expected to provide accurate information to viewers.
https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-rules-fox-news-173700477.html Ha, ha -- you just can't make this stuff up.


Kevin

Trump was referring to possibly contesting the results of an election that are predicted to be uncertain.
You are referring to justifying property damage and personal injury. Riots.
Your answer is tragically un-principled.

it is your type of liberal that created Trump. Without your attitude and double standards, he would have been starved for oxygen to feed the fire.

Ps...you never gave your definition of "facist?" Still waiting.

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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
This just in

Fox News was forced to publicly state that Tucker Carlson could not be trusted after a lawsuit was brought against him for deliberately mistating facts to slander Karen mcDougall, the playboy model at the centre of the Michael Cohen payoff and national Enquirer story burial. Fox News had to admit that one of its lead commentators cannot be counted on the be accurate\truthful when discussing the news of the day, even when he, as was his assertion when he lied, he was simply stating the facts of the case





Hooray for your team John.

They scored a big one here.

Problem is that the team that scored is, at least, as guilty of lies as Carlson et al. The world is a landscape of lies. maybe it always was. But I dont think it was this bad a few decades ago.

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Yes, but when Chris Cuomo lies or Rachel Maddow or CBS, or any liberal outlet, its taken up with fire and brimstone by Republicans.

If Biden had a stormy , and hush money, or had trump u, or called vets losers and suckers, or lied as often as he has on cam, youd never hear the end of it by repubs. All depends which guy is in your side, and the hat party he's on.

It still amazes me when I talk to people or hear conversations how differently both sides see it. It must be that humans have two possible brains . Republican or democrat.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yes, but when Chris Cuomo lies or Rachel Maddow or CBS, or any liberal outlet, its taken up with fire and brimstone by Republicans.

If Biden had a stormy , and hush money, or had trump u, or called vets losers and suckers, or lied as often as he has on cam, youd never hear the end of it by repubs. All depends which guy is in your side, and the hat party he's on.

It still amazes me when I talk to people or hear conversations how differently both sides see it. It must be that humans have two possible brains . Republican or democrat.


No one said that wasnt true. "the world is a landscape of lies."
The world already has a "Captain Obvious." I dont think that you can dethrone him. Why dont you shoot for someone else's job? wink

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Yeah right Marty nice spin.

Did you not write this?

"Problem is that the team that scored is, at least, as guilty of lies as Carlson et al. The world is a landscape of lies. maybe it always was. But I dont think it was this bad a few decades ago."

Why cant you just address the topic at hand, instead you try to deflect with a philosophical " the world is a landscape of lies"

But it's not a landscape of lies when its a lie you want to harp on hey?

Trying to discredit me as somebody on dope or isn't intelligent, is pretty lame though. You go on the attack the minute somebody tells you how it is.




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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yeah right Marty nice spin.

Did you not write this?

"Problem is that the team that scored is, at least, as guilty of lies as Carlson et al. The world is a landscape of lies. maybe it always was. But I dont think it was this bad a few decades ago."

Why cant you just address the topic at hand, instead you try to deflect with a philosophical " the world is a landscape of lies"

But it's not a landscape of lies when its a lie you want to harp on hey?

Trying to discredit me as somebody on dope or isn't intelligent, is pretty lame though. You go on the attack the minute somebody tells you how it is.





Please translate that into english. I dont understand your point.
You swear you dont hit the reefers? That looks like something that would only make sense if a person was stoned. I'm not judging, just wondering.

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Judge all you want, maybe its just you don't see how hypocritical your views are.

Anything Kevin or somebody on dems side is immediately dismissed by you and you basically attack with slick belittling comments . Then you take you shots at Biden and dems and the rest of the package, as if its undeniable truth .

I get it now, you just don't realize your biased views. And so many do this,even when its addressed in writing, it doesn't change.

Basically, dirt is irrelevant, unless its against what your against.

And it seems it continues, no ability or desire to even consider it with the next batch of arguments.

Whatever you find entertaining.

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How many millions have the fake news had to pay out to the boy, Nick Sandman, who was attacked by them for wearing a MAGA hat and not doing anything but standing in place while others, from the left, got up in his face? Don't worry, more are going to be paying.


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I'm writing in mickey mouse,but why does the fact that trump will contest the vote not bother anyone? I mean who else say that, and even before it happens. Will he contest it if he wins? Dumb question....

Simple ideas like this has to make you question him.


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I'm writing in mickey mouse, but why does the fact that trump will contest the vote not bother anyone? I mean who else say that, and even before it happens. Will he contest it if he wins? Dumb question....
Simple ideas like this has to make you question him.


We live in dangerous and interesting times. There are only two sides to this argument. Either you are for a successful democracy or you are on the side of the dictator-wanna-be. As much as I disagree with the delusional ideas that John and Marty have about trump being good for this country, at least I respect that they have made a stand.

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No either you are for Republicans or for democrats, trump has NOTHING to do with most Republicans vote. That is my main point mainly . Anyone who doesnt like republicaans will cite a long list of flaws of trump.

And I disagree with all of them bozos...

They don't live in America in 2020.

Not picking a candidiate, which we get two , out of millions and millions of people, we get two, and they are just talking heads for the party.

I disagree heartedly that one is either republican or democrat, and that you need to choose which one you like the best, even if they suck.

They used to say with critiques that silence sends a better message than comments. Not picking a candidate lets the powers that be know, that we need better choices.

Who's your favorite dictator? Stalin or a Hitler ? You have to pick one now...

Who's your favorite serial killer?

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And Pelosi has already told Biden not to concede, even after it will be readily apparent that he will not win. But yes, evil wins when good men do nothing; which is why I''l be voting for President Trump.


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I'm writing in mickey mouse,but why does the fact that trump will contest the vote not bother anyone? I mean who else say that, and even before it happens. Will he contest it if he wins? Dumb question....

Simple ideas like this has to make you question him.




You need to keep up with the news. Hillary Clinton told Joe Biden not to concede.
The idea being...it may be that close and could end up in court. If what I read is true, both parties are gearing up lawyers for the what-ifs of a court battle.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Judge all you want, maybe its just you don't see how hypocritical your views are.

Anything Kevin or somebody on dems side is immediately dismissed by you and you basically attack with slick belittling comments . Then you take you shots at Biden and dems and the rest of the package, as if its undeniable truth .

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I refuted Kevin's last last post with reality versus his non-reality that neither you or he can see...or wont acknowledge.

Read it again. It is clear and factual.

Yeah...the non-reality is that there is no lawlessness and rioting occurring. And also that the president has no authority to deploy federal troops into domestic streets. Both false.

And if Kevin's feelings get hurt when someone refutes his claims he should quit putting up incendiary partisan crap. (which is not true) Not really a by-the-book admin thing to do.



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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
That is my main point mainly .


That has got to be reefer typing? wink Be honest about it?
A lot of people smoke. I don't but a lot do.

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I'm writing in mickey mouse, but why does the fact that trump will contest the vote not bother anyone? I mean who else say that, and even before it happens. Will he contest it if he wins? Dumb question....
Simple ideas like this has to make you question him.


We live in dangerous and interesting times. There are only two sides to this argument. Either you are for a successful democracy or you are on the side of the dictator-wanna-be. As much as I disagree with the delusional ideas that John and Marty have about trump being good for this country, at least I respect that they have made a stand.

“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.” - Dante Alighieri
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.” -Desmond Tutu
“Our world does not need tepid souls. It needs burning hearts, men who know the proper place of moderation.” - Albert Camus
“One of the most important struggles of humanity is to ensure that our ‘fight against hate’ does not become ‘hate’ itself – while knowing that our neutrality in times of oppression is oppression itself.” - Adeel Ahmed Khan



Kevin

Thank you for the part that was nice. wink Truly appreciated.

When your party is in the presidency and has the senate next, please pursue all of these noble goals about truth and freedom then as fervently as you pursue them now.

Trump is what happened when your party and fellow libs would not reign in the excess and lies in the Obama years. Trump is probably gone in November. My wife thinks that he has offended too many people across the board and cant win with what is left. She is usually right. So it appears you will get your chance to bring morality to government. I honestly doubt that you will apply a non-double standard...but

the good news is that Trump will have put three justices on SCOTUS that will slow down the societal destruction that is runaway liberalism. In 2015, if someone said that he would get elected and do that, I would have thought them insane because such a good outcome was not possible at all. That is a huge win for conservative politics and the USA even if nothing else happens.


But be aware and ready...
Biden is an empty suit.
You wanna pass some anti-busing stuff? he'll help you out.
You wanna heap praise on a guy who started a KKK chapter? he's got that..
Otoh...You want a stand up doll white dude to complete a first Black Presidency? Again, He'll cover that too.
His presidency is going to be a disaster and the economy may go down with it.
And if they try to hand it off to Harris??....Oh myyyyy.
Be careful what you wish for.

If and when Biden gets elected, I suspect that Trump will start TNN. He's already defaming his most direct competition. Look for Hannity to have TNN on his golf shirts.

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Dollars to donuts president Trump will have another 4 years. He has done way too much for people not to vote for him. As for Biden, look at his rallies. And look what he has done in his 47 years in politics. He is already giving up.


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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Dollars to donuts president Trump will have another 4 years. He has done way too much for people not to vote for him. As for Biden, look at his rallies. And look what he has done in his 47 years in politics. He is already giving up.


I'm gonna vote for Donny, but back in 2008, early early on, ,my wife said that Obama was going to win. I responded that he didn't have a chance against the Clinton machine. I don't question her anymore.

Trump is a better bet to save the economy. Because of that he is a better bet to put more bread on more tables, but she says that notwithstanding that, people will vote "likeability" because that is how they feel at the moment and they can't recognize the future effect of the economy on their own lives.

If Biden gets in and people get scared and start selling off their inflated stocks...it could be real bad. That scenario is not impossible if Trump wins. But a Biden presidency?...run for cover.


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Hilarious, the country could not be in worse shape, 2020 the worst year in the history of America, and this guy says "look out" if Biden wins. Lol I'll I'll

Look polls don't always tell the tale. One guy who predicted Trump would win last time says he was predicting him to lose this time but changed his mind when Biden took Kamala Harris as a VP mate. He said that might cost him the election .

Personally I don't like when minorities vote solely on race, which was been Bidens strategy.

But if your serious about the country as bad as it is with the guy we got, my guess would be whether it was Biden or a Kennedy your opinion would be the same.

And no, I'm not concerned about Kevin's feelings, I highly doubt he's hurt, I'm just reiterating points that you can't seem to grasp.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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Dollars to donuts president Trump will have another 4 years. He has done way too much for people not to vote for him. As for Biden, look at his rallies. And look what he has done in his 47 years in politics. He is already giving up.


I'm gonna vote for Donny, but back in 2008, early early on, ,my wife said that Obama was going to win. I responded that he didn't have a chance against the Clinton machine. I don't question her anymore.

Trump is a better bet to save the economy. Because of that he is a better bet to put more bread on more tables, but she says that notwithstanding that, people will vote "likeability" because that is how they feel at the moment and they can't recognize the future effect of the economy on their own lives.

If Biden gets in and people get scared and start selling off their inflated stocks...it could be real bad. That scenario is not impossible if Trump wins. But a Biden presidency?...run for cover.


Agreed. As I've said so many times. President Trump would never be my choice as a friend, but if there were no term limits I would keep voting for him until a better choice came along. There are a couple of really smart young black women out there who come to mind for getting in in the late 2020's. That way we could have a couple of firsts.

And just think, when he leaves office, he won't have to write a book, even with a ghost writer, or give lectures to put aside millions of dollars, he already has that, and more.


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I cant really derive a point from what you wrote.

"2020 is the worst year in the history of America"...?

I think that 1860 was a lot worse. And then 1815,1873,1893,1918, 1932, 1941
Once again...bad facts. Vacuous assertions.

Our current predicament is an economic strangling brought not just to the US but the entire world by a disease that originated in China.
And you have that for Trump's fault and responsibility? How does that work in your mind?

Going forward in the current predicament....
A businessman who is a pro business regulation cutter and facilitator versus
A guy who has been in DC for 47 years and his only notable accomplishment is getting himself elected to high office over and over again? A poster boy for term limits and nepotism? Do you realize that Biden has presided over the biggest transfer of wealth and manufacturing to a foreign country (geo-political foe) in US history? And bragged about his tenure.

You and the soccer moms dont have facts. You dont like the way that Trump makes you feel. Some of us are unconcerned with how we feel about Trump and are governed by the contrast in outcomes for our lives between a Trump or Biden administration beginning in 2021.

The tragic thing is that you and the soccer moms have a better than not chance of getting Biden in...and with him the influence of AOC, Bernie etc at a time in our economic history when the country is struggling and debt laden...and cannot withstand their influence. The outcome no matter who is president has grim possibilities. If Biden is president the grim possibilities become much more likely.


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Sunset, You keep saying you have the facts, but then you have them all wrong.

Job growth was better under Obama/Biden than trump ( even pre-pandemic)
stock market gains were bigger under Obama/Biden than trump (even pre-pandemic)
GDP growth was better under Obama/Biden than trump (even pre-pandemic)
US debt has exploded under trump surpassing even the obama/biden years where they dug out of the worst financial crises since the depression.

If trump took any actions to stem the covid tide in February though early march, then we would be a lot better off. So, yes, I do blame him for being a science denier and a liar of untold proportions. He disbanded the pandemic task force, the cupboards weren't bare, 200,000+ dead and he gives himself an A+ on his pandemic response. His admin is the swampiest ever, he has managed to politicize and destroy the reps of the justice department, the CDC, the FDA, the EPA, the education department, and pretty much anything else under his watch. He is also trying to do that with the military, but they are resisting.

Quit saying that you have the facts when all you have is false propaganda.





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let's dont waste time getting to spread out with distortions...I'm going to pick one of your claims and look at it.

"stock market gains were bigger under Obama/Biden than trump (even pre-pandemic)"

Do an analysis...
When Obama took office, the country's economy had almost collapsed. So benchmark what the DOW, Nasdaq and S&P were when he assumed office under those extremel near-collapse circumstances. I think that the DOW got down in the 6000s. Keep in mind that is very low bar to be measured from.
Look at those same markers, on the day he left office. EIGHT YEARS LATER. Do the algebra and get the actual number increase and the percentage increase.

Look at those markers when Trump came in. Trump's stock market BEGAN FROM A HIGH BAR. Do the same math and compare Trump's percentages 1 year later, 2 years later, 3 years later. And now. In particular, look at the pre-pandemic stock market high and compare those numbers to Obama at the end of 8 years. Extend Trump's prepandemic trendline over 8 years and that may be your best head to head comparison.

That will tell the real story.

Hannity used the play this same "snapshot" game when he wanted to blame Obama for the economy in 2010 etc, AS IF NOTHING CAME BEFORE OBAMA and he had failed to fix the massive crater that W left ...within a year or two of taking office. It was bullsh t when Hannity did it, and it is a tired distortion that you libs are now re-hashing to promote your agenda to the melon heads.

Kevin, you just regurgitate DNC propaganda over and over again. Do your own thinking.


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Let's say that in a magical alternate universe, the Chinese Disease had not affected the US at all but the rest of the world would suffer as they had in this ACTUAL UNIVERSE.

Do you think that the economy and happiness would have rocked along smoothly under Obama or Clinton or Biden in the United States?
Air Travel? International Commerce? Factory Closings? Supply line disruption from China?

Do you really think that a guy who characterized the best single protective action that Trump took as "xenophobic" was going to get together with a hack speaker who said "come on down to China Town" ...would get anything right with the disease?

The Pandemic task force was a "what if" board game. The stock piles were never put in place to address this pandemic. Their absence or presence at the quick onset would have affected the outcome little if at all.

We (at least I) live in this universe. I try not to hide facts from myself just because I dont want them to be true.

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Here ya go! I extrapolate nothing -- the future is unknown.

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Marty, ok the worst year since 1941, 80 years. Better now?

But the predicament gives one an example of what leadership under trump means. If you are of the mindset that he ignored the virus, and continued and continues to downplay it, the the decision is easy.

Some think he could have handled the rioting and reason for rioting, and specifically addressing police violence better, which if you want to look good at least, whether you believe it could have been more sympathetic to that.

The fact that he'll only challenge the election results if he loses, lowers my impression of him. As if the only logical and true result is if he wins.

And if he's the best man to get us out of it, why has all of his business failed? And why won't he show his taxes...he demanded Obama Swho his citizenship.


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Kevin...you didnt do the math. I knew that you wouldn't but you should. You just coughed up another DNC graph.

Stock Market when Obama took office - 7949
Stock market when Obama after 8 years, and Trump began 19827 -
prepandemic high after 3 Trump years =29551

Gain under Obama in 8 years - 19827-7949 = 11,875/7949 = 149% after 8 years
Gain under Trump in 3 years (FEB12,20) - 29551-19827 = 9724/19827 = 49%.

As an investor, percentages aside, what would you prefer Kevin...AN 11,875 GAIN AFTER 8 YEARS OR A 9,724 gain after 3 years.
One gain coming off of a near depression. The other coming off a historical high.

Your homework assignment is to calculate the actual wealth created under Trump versus Obama.

But but but...its not that now because Trump caused the pandemic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No he didn't and the stock market is bizarrely high given what has happened to the economy.
Many people think that the "Trump factor" is holding it up.
What do you think that the Biden factor" will do?

I think that Obama did a commendable job of cooperating with and moving out of the FEDS way and letting them steer the economy.
Basically the money printing has driven the stock market under both presidents.

But an intellectually honest person cannot deny that Trump had a very good economy going until a virus came out of some town in China that no one was ever going to hear of otherwise.

BIGGEST QUESTION: What do you think that Joe Biden had to do with any of those gains?
ANSWER: he figured out a way to hang around the people getting it done. He also figured out a way to get his addict kid on AF2 and travel the world clipping chunks of money for the family using the vice presidency as leverage.



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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Marty, ok the worst year since 1941, 80 years. Better now?

But the predicament gives one an example of what leadership under trump means. If you are of the mindset that he ignored the virus, and continued and continues to downplay it, the the decision is easy.

Some think he could have handled the rioting and reason for rioting, and specifically addressing police violence better, which if you want to look good at least, whether you believe it could have been more sympathetic to that.

The fact that he'll only challenge the election results if he loses, lowers my impression of him. As if the only logical and true result is if he wins.

And if he's the best man to get us out of it, why has all of his business failed? And why won't he show his taxes...he demanded Obama Swho his citizenship.



Rather than getting entangled in a mess...
All of Trump's businesses failed? Really?

So the Apprentice and the Pageants and the huge hotels that he has "branded" or outright built have failed?
Question for you...what brought him to national attention and provided him the entre to the presidency?
I wish I had failed like Trump.

All you wrote is why you FEEL like you dont like him. Well...you dont like him. Dont vote for him.

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Apprentice wasnt his business, he was host. Marc Brunette was the creator of Apprentice.

But people who think he was successful as a businessman, are incorrect.

He was born into the real estate business.

I used to think he was very good with money too, never looked into it cause it didn't matter, he wasn't running the country .

I'm giving reason why its not as obvious that he's a good choice as you think, but you will keep saying it.

I'm not voting for him, I'm not voting for Biden either. Im wondering if new jersey will flip this year and go republican, cause Murphy has been atrocious as a governor. Do you know there are people who still haven't received unemployment since march? Not one or two, thousands ...

He hasn't put trumps executive order into place, the lost wages act, the which helps the unemployed. Other states are already out of funds, he hasn't done anything to start paying it.

And people are furious over lock downs. If your gonna put places on lockdown, make sure you pay them unemployment, since they cant work

Way behind on everything, it wouldn't surprise me if NJ goes republican, but maybe that's still a minority of people to make a dent.

Usually my vote doesn't matter, NJ is always blue.

But that doesn't make trump an obvious choice, we've seen what he can do.

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Like I said, I wish that I had failed as badly as Trump.

Correction:
I wish that I had failed as badly as President Trump.

So Trump was not involved in the apprentice? He was just a lackey taking orders?
I didn't know that.

" I'm not voting for him, I'm not voting for Biden either."

Whatever then.



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Well I know your more intelligent than that...believing that successful tv reality show somehow relates to successful president y, and that it can only be your staunch Republican view as a whole.

So who's the next candidate? Marc Cuban..shark tank? Kim Kardashian, keeping up with the Kardashian's?

Julie Chen...big brother? Simon Cowel, Americas got talent?

If they ran on dem ticket you'd be exploring that obvious weak link...

Your not that hard to figure out after all...

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Okay then. wink

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Well that's a really tough one. Take a 149% gain or a 49% gain? Let me think about that.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Well that's a really tough one. Take a 149% gain or a 49% gain? Let me think about that.


You can't be serious. Just being argumentative?
If it truly boils down to that for you, I'm starting to understand what's going on here.

Question for you?
Imagine two guys, one is Terrific Tom and the other is Dumb Dick.

Tom started with an investment of $1000 and made a 10 percent return in a month.
Dick started with $10 and made a 500 percent return in a year.

Kevin...Would you rather be a terrific Tom? Or a dumb Dick?
Dont take too long to answer. wink

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Sunset, your argument is pretty idiotic.

If you had 10,000 to invest, where would you want to start? At the beginning of Obama's term or the beginning of trump's term?
If you invested 10,000 at the beginning of Obama's term you would have $24,900 (a gain of $14,900 or 149%) on January 20, 2017. if you started with $10,000 in trump's term you would now have $13,700 (a gain of $3,700 or 37%).

Yes, If you rolled your money from the Obama years into trump's term you would now have $34,113 (a extra gain of $9,213).

However, investment is always measure in relative % gains, so it levels the playing field compared to everyone's different investment amounts. Any other argument is arbitrary and capricious.
By the way from Obama's inauguration through to Sept 27 2012 the stock market went from 7,949 to 13,485 -- a 70% gain.


(Note: Oh, I did fix my chart to have the actual starting #'s and not my arbitrary and capricious ones!)


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Sunset, your argument is pretty idiotic.

If you had 10,000 to invest, where would you want to start? At the beginning of Obama's term or the beginning of trump's term?
If you invested 10,000 at the beginning of Obama's term you would have $24,900 (a gain of $14,900 or 149%) on January 20, 2017. if you started with $10,000 in trump's term you would now have $13,700 (a gain of $3,700 or 37%).

Yes, If you rolled your money from the Obama years into trump's term you would now have $34,113 (a extra gain of $9,213).

However, investment is always measure in relative % gains, so it levels the playing field compared to everyone's different investment amounts. Any other argument is arbitrary and capricious.
By the way from Obama's inauguration through to Sept 27 2012 the stock market went from 7,949 to 13,485 -- a 70% gain.


(Note: Oh, I did fix my chart to have the actual starting #'s and not my arbitrary and capricious ones!)




Idiotic? Me??
How in the world do you get something so simple so twisted up. it's amazing.

Is this the old saying..."If you cant dazzle them with brilliance...baffle them with bullshit."
The arithmetic is too simple if you look at it with a clear mind.

I'm not saying that Obama's returns were lousy. He did a commendable job on the economy, but you assertion that he outperformed Trump in realistic terms is not true.
It does not even take algebra to figure it out.

Onward through your fog Kevin. The perverse thing is that there is so many people out there lost in convolutions such as this...Biden (who also appears lost in a fog) looks like the favorite to win.
The impact of his presidency on this country, at this tenous time, is terrifying.




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You All--

Gold is hovering around $2000--When I was in Germany in 1957, a volkswagen cost about $900, NON-EXPORT WAGEN--Gold was $35! Dollar value has plummeted to roughly 10 cents compared to 1957 money. All the Gold is in California is in Beverly Hills, in somebody"s elses name! ALGEBRA APPLES AND ORANGES AND SCAM ARTISTS LIKE MADEOFF have changed everything--SOME PREDICT GOLD WILL BE $16000--

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COVID19 DIALOGUE HERE?

Mackie

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