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#1169186 - 09/15/20 08:06 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: John W. Selleck]  
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I essentially agree with some of what you say, but I have question.

If a foreign nation were to launch an assault on the United States....in your world and the world of your opinion leader in the video....

who would do what about it?




#1169187 - 09/15/20 08:10 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Brian,

How did you post that video? I used to know how, but I can't find the right link to use.


Here you go Kevin. Just put up this link every time you get a chance. It will save you a lot of time.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/

#1169188 - 09/15/20 08:25 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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Brian,

How did you post that video? I used to know how, but I can't find the right link to use.


Here you go Kevin. Just put up this link every time you get a chance. It will save you a lot of time.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/


Thanks, but now I think you are just trolling me (ha, ha).


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#1169189 - 09/15/20 08:28 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
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Brian,

How did you post that video? I used to know how, but I can't find the right link to use.


Here you go Kevin. Just put up this link every time you get a chance. It will save you a lot of time.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/


Thanks, but now I think you are just trolling me (ha, ha).


I am trolling you.
But this video will, in fact, save you a lot of time.

#1169191 - 09/15/20 08:34 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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OK, here's a better one!



"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
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Is that dim porn?
Don't think that it works for anyone else.

The Maine senator? Conservative? That's reaching. No sale

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#1169194 - 09/15/20 09:06 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Is that dim porn?
Don't think that it works for anyone else.


I agree that it doesn't work -- but it should.
But here is a good (and lengthy) article on the rationale people use to agree to collaborate with a cult leader/fascist/dictator wannabe in politics. Collaboration happens


"Good science comes in peer reviewed journals. Conspiracy theories come in YouTube videos. "
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Kevin...

From your perspective all that is true.
From my perspective , I'm watching a guy named Kevin who is completely bought in to one sides talking points talk about how misguided people are who are completely bought in to the other side's talking points.

That's why I provided you with a direct link to the DNC platform, because you are going to end up believing everything there anyway.

And you seem completely oblivious to the fact that some of us think Trump is a mess at a personal level, but have good reasons for thinking the country would be a disaster if Biden and his crew get a hold of it.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
... And you seem completely oblivious to the fact that some of us think Trump is a mess at a personal level, but have good reasons for thinking the country would be a disaster if Biden and his crew get a hold of it.


No, I get it. But at the same time, I just don't understand how anyone can vote for trump. He is an absolutely destroyer of democracy and decency. While you might not like the potential policies under Biden, he is no threat to the democratic institutions that make the USA great. That to me is the most important thing. I am not a hard and fast democrat all the time, having voted for republican slates in 2012. But trump will always be a bridge too far. If Clinton would have won, covid deaths would have been cut in half. Proof -- don't have any, but it is my opinion. ... and no Biden is not a socialist/marxist.


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#1169202 - 09/15/20 12:13 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Kevin some people are bottom liners. Almost always their minds are made up before the candidates are even mentioned.

If your republican=republican good, democrats bad. Not details needed.

I think that is a huge problem in this country , but some people think only how it affects its them.

I know a guy he says to me, "why do I have to pay taxes for schools, I don't have any kids"

I counter with, why does somebody who doesn't drive have to pay taxes for roads....

There's always a bit of socialism in our country. Car insurance is socialism, social security, so the people crying capitalism are being dishonest.

That said, back to my original point some people are bottom liners. This guy will lower my taxes, I want him. This guy will raise my taxes, dont want him.

Regardless of what good might come from your spending, it doesn't matter cause there's nothing in it for them.

I'd say for most part for people the important things to them are, work, pay, less taxes, and not working, while others don't work and they support them. Which amounts to small dollars, anyway in the grand scheme

I get that part of it. I do agree that our country is more than a business account , but many dont see it that way.

If you work for a company that's going to pay you 25% more than your other job, but the owner is a known racist and has other downsides. Are you gonna take the job anyway? I would ... I dont have to love the guy.

I had a friend who was renting an apartment from an older woman, she told him straight out , ill give you a sweetheart deal cause I don't want a black person living here. This guy was a liberal and hated her for it, but he still rented the
place cause it made sense for him.

So I do see why people would support Trump even though they think he's a dispicable person.

What I don't see is how Trump is making their lives great. I'm not seeing that b obvious trade off. He's barely done anything.

I worked a contract job in an office complex like two years ago. I did notice under trump I was getting about 20 dollars more a week in my check, which I kind of raised my brow and said, ok well maybe he's doing something different.

Aside from that, I think he's done more harm than good. And even the bottom liners can't really argue for what trump has done for them, other than he is the Republican candidate .




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#1169207 - 09/15/20 02:00 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
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... And you seem completely oblivious to the fact that some of us think Trump is a mess at a personal level, but have good reasons for thinking the country would be a disaster if Biden and his crew get a hold of it.


. He is an absolutely destroyer of democracy and decency.


Kevin

You undercut your own credibility when you start saying silly stuff that has no basis in fact. For starters we dont live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic. Trump is destroying nothing. Trump has made a point of undoing your desired version of society and that is what you actually hate.

The crass part? yeah, he's crass.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
... And you seem completely oblivious to the fact that some of us think Trump is a mess at a personal level, but have good reasons for thinking the country would be a disaster if Biden and his crew get a hold of it.


. He is an absolutely destroyer of democracy and decency.


Kevin

You undercut your own credibility when you start saying silly stuff that has no basis in fact. For starters we dont live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic. Trump is destroying nothing. Trump has made a point of undoing your desired version of society and that is what you actually hate.

The crass part? yeah, he's crass.


Yup. Any nation that has any kind of welfare, has some socialist part to it. The true facts are, about 50% of the people pay about 100% of the payroll taxes in the country. So it isn't just a few who are skating by, the others are either working off the books, and not paying their share, or riding on the backs of others.
No matter how many times I say I really don't like President Trump personally, all I hear is how much I love him. I will keep supporting him, and the Republicans as long as there is no reasonable alternative, which there sure isn't in the foreseeable future.


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Socialism= car insurance, health insurance, social security,

When billionaires don't pay taxes, and people making minimum wage do, there is something with that system.

Trump cares about The rich.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Socialism= car insurance, health insurance, social security,

When billionaires don't pay taxes, and people making minimum wage do, there is something with that system.

Trump cares about The rich.

Again, if you took all the money from the rich, and bankrupted every business with taxes, they wouldn't pay for all the programs the left want for more than 3 years. Then everyone would be broke except for left wing politicians.


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Again, your hyperboling. How do you go from bankrupting a billionaire like Jeff besos, who currently pays zero, to simply asking them to pay their share.

But don't change the subject, we have socialism in this country already. And if you want complete capitalism, then pay for your god forbid, own accidents or own medical tragedies, yourself .

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Facts are facts. To pay for all the new green deal, medicare/medicaid for all, social security and free everything for illegals etc. you would bankrupt everyone!


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Way to keep moving the goal posts John. There's no debate when your answers are to different questions.

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The guy cutting down a huge dead tree in front of my house just told me he used to like watching Forrest Gump until he found out about Tom Hanks kidnapping children so that he could get them all excited, suck out the adrenaline and inject it into his brain. Bill Gates is at it too, although I might have misunderstood that bit because he might be the one selling body parts of new born babies. The guy was pretty high up in his bucket truck at that point and I might have missed a word or two. I didn't correct him. He has a chain saw and that enormous tree is still standing in front of my house.

This actually happened.

So, all you conspiracy theorists here might as well give up. Or maybe you just need to try harder. This guy shows what is possible if you do.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
The guy cutting down a huge dead tree in front of my house just told me he used to like watching Forrest Gump until he found out about Tom Hanks kidnapping children so that he could get them all excited, suck out the adrenaline and inject it into his brain. Bill Gates is at it too, although I might have misunderstood that bit because he might be the one selling body parts of new born babies. The guy was pretty high up in his bucket truck at that point and I might have missed a word or two. I didn't correct him. He has a chain saw and that enormous tree is still standing in front of my house.

This actually happened.

So, all you conspiracy theorists here might as well give up. Or maybe you just need to try harder. This guy shows what is possible if you do.


For real? Are you sure you didnt say something that made him think to himself..."I'm gonna have some fun lighting this guy up with ghost stories."

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100% for real, Marty. He was quite upset about it, and couldn't understand how people could be so inhuman, a word he used repeatedly.

If any of the conspiracy theorists here are interested, I have his card. He might be available for consultancy. Learn from a pro. smile

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
100% for real, Marty. He was quite upset about it, and couldn't understand how people could be so inhuman, a word he used repeatedly.

If any of the conspiracy theorists here are interested, I have his card. He might be available for consultancy. Learn from a pro. smile


Gav...

If I was you I would start looking at my karma meter. Something that you are doing may be drawing these guys to you. wink

The last time something similar happened to me, an ex Houston cop went into a rant about how the gov and big pharma are burying the fact that cannabis can cure ALL forms of cancer..in order to protect their profits. He got a "Manson look" in his eyes as he spoke. He was in his 60's and dead of a heart attack within two years of that statement.

Believing crazy sh t creates an enormous amount of emotional fatigue and stress.

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Looks like Trump is asking republicans to spend more . while his motives may be wrong, the result is the same. Dems are hurting themselves, and many for them are pissed off at Nancy .

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Democrats are “heartless”. They don’t want to give STIMULUS PAYMENTS to people who desperately need the money, and whose fault it was NOT that the plague came in from China. Go for the much higher numbers, Republicans, it all comes back to the USA anyway (one way or another!).

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Personally, being retired, Covid doesn't affect my finances at all. I don't need the stimulus. But, there are tons of people out of work who need it desperately. There are tons of business owners who may never get to reopen, who need it desperately. And yes, the democrats are only hurting themselves by trying to impress their base by throwing garbage into the bills they know they won't get in the hope of holding the stimulus up til after the elections.


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Like my sister in law, her industry is gone. I heard today she's going back in limited amounts . And alot of the problem is coming from shutdowns in states.

People can't go back to jobs when the business are shutdown , out of business etc. They dont think of service industry people like bartenders, waitresses, chefs, even musicians, nobody is thinking about musicians who cant do gigs cause of closures . I know one guy that's affecting.

Airlines are a huge one.

For me, I never saw first check, I probably confuse them. I do pay taxes from several sources but so far nothing yet.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Looks like Trump is asking republicans to spend more . while his motives may be wrong, the result is the same. Dems are hurting themselves, and many for them are pissed off at Nancy .

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It all comes back and it also adds interest to the debt.

A situation with only bad options. Do nothing, Pelosi wins the political game because Donny is indifferent to people who are suffering.
Argue against any more money going out and Pelosi labels Donny as Marie Antoinette.
Send the money out and drive the debt up and the republicans resist because the debt is scaring anyone reasonable.

Donny decides the best place to go is the populist route. Hand out the money. Everyone likes someone who gives them money.
And if he wants to be prez again...I suppose that he has to do it.

Strange times.

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Well, they do have advisors and some pretty sharp financial people like JP Morgan and the federal reserve who give their take, almost all of them agree that the economy is going to tank without doing something . my buddy is a financial advisor, he's predicting stock market crash.

The upper echelon of the work force are doing well, so are Amazon and grocery stores . others have been plowed.

Personally, 1200 check doesn't seem like it helps much , In new jersey 1200 will pay half of one months rent, and maybe 3 months of groceries.

What they are thinking is give it, and let people spend it, the economy improved when they gave unemployment boast, and dropped when it stopped.

Don't kid yourself Trump is not a nice guy who wants to help people, as a business man , he's socked it to so many people and seemingly stiffed many clients.

But regardless it looks good for him to send checks out, with his signature on it, right before the election. That's one reason Pelosi is being a beyotchaaa, she doesn t want him to look good.

Its crazy how these people use human beings as pawns to win an fin election, but to them the election IS more important. I guess in the name of progress or lack thereof, the election is more important. But then, its a government picked to serve the people ....

Trump apparently b didn't like the Price tag for the first one either , but I think Nancy feels she can squeeze him more. But he did come through for people whatever his reasons are, well see if he does it again.

But Pelosi is losing favor even amongst democrats . she's too out of touch

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We finally found something we can agree on. The American people really need some help. It won't do much, but it will at least give them a little before they get back to work, if they have any job left. We also need to get them back to work.


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How come I picture a sinister smile on some of the folks on this thread after reading this.

"The Victorian government will debate a new bill in the State Parliament this week which would hand authorities the power to forcibly detain “conspiracy theorists” and people suspected to likely spread coronavirus, such as anti-lockdown protesters and their close contacts"

I'm still not reading these posts. Maybe a post with something new to add could be highlighted.

John smile

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A five minute Google finds that quote and the deliberately misleading part of it. Further down the same article...

...According to The Age, a state government spokesman said the rule could be applied to “conspiracy theorists who refuse to self-isolate or severely drug-affected or mentally impaired people who do not have the capacity to quarantine.”

So no-one is detained for being a conspiracy theorist. Being a loony is still legal in Australia. You could be detained for refusing to self-isolate. The article in The Age does identify some genuine problems in how such measures would be enforced, however.

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A underhanded way to silence conspiracy theorists or anyone they disagree with. Why would they even mention "conspiracy theorists" who refuse to self-isolate. Why not just use "anyone" that refuses to self-isolate. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know their real agenda. I wasn't born yesterday.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
A underhanded way to silence conspiracy theorists or anyone they disagree with. Why would they even mention "conspiracy theorists" who refuse to self-isolate. Why not just use "anyone" that refuses to self-isolate. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know their real agenda. I wasn't born yesterday.

John smile


Got a point here. Govt always set things up in steps.

Stay in the USA John. The thought police are much more powerful in Europe and the rest of the world. And there are people trying to bring as much of that here as they can. With some success, now that a cold blooded murder committed against someone because they are causcasian is qualitatively worse than a cold blooded murder committed for whatever may be in a wallet.

The severity of the act is not about the act itself, but what your thoughts were when you committed the act.

Gavin is European. He is already long since bought in. wink

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The person talking would have been better not to mention conspiracy theorists, although they do certainly fall into the category of people most likely to refuse to self-isolate. Mentioning conspiracy theorists just provides fuel for conspiracy theories, but that was somebody talking, not the wording of the act, whatever that might turn out to be.

Marty, I will forgive you your delusions about the thought police in Europe. It seems to be a view commonly held here. I have never felt any more constrained in expressing myself in European countries in which I have lived than I do here. I have family members in the UK and France and their thoughts are not policed. It's one of the values democracies share. Of course, some here might think it would be a good thing if I felt more constrained in expressing my views LOL.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
The person talking would have been better not to mention conspiracy theorists, although they do certainly fall into the category of people most likely to refuse to self-isolate. Mentioning conspiracy theorists just provides fuel for conspiracy theories, but that was somebody talking, not the wording of the act, whatever that might turn out to be.

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Gavin

Thank you for forgiving me.

As for the1st paragraph quoted above...textbook rationalizations. Believe what you feel you must, even if it is obviously wrong, and you would argue against it if liberal conspiracy theorists were being talked about. eg Russia this, Russia that.

When I was a kid we used to draw swastikas on everything. We had plastic nazi helmets and flipped a coin to see who would be the allies or the nazis in the battle of the back yard on Saturdays. Now your European thought police have brought their brand of Orwelian censure to the US and your typical soccer mom would have a melt down if her kids were in the back yard doing the same thing. It would be a big "time out" moment in the hyper-controlled neurotic world of today.

You are not as free to speak in Europe. And we have become much less free to speak in the US over the last 2 or 3 decades, because you foreigners have brought it across the pond and infiltrated our thoughts. wink



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Marty, I wrote a reply to your post, but deleted it because I don't want to get into an argument about something as ridiculous as your suggestions here. I'd rather stay friends.

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Anyone who asserts that "the thought police" was imported from Europe only has to look at this ranking...assuming you can equate this to a free press

https://rsf.org/en/ranking essential "value" adopted by Reporters Without Borders is that "Freedom of information is the freedom that allows you to verify the existance of all other freedoms"

All these European countries you slag are in the top 10, (well France & UK & Italy are lower down)......while the USA is ranked 45


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Gavin

Apparently you take this stuff more personally and seriously than I do. Though, I will leave you with one question?

If I recall correctly, fairly recently some rednecks went into a Walmart wearing nazi arm bands, A great deal of derision was directed at them as should have been, but they didn't care and did it anyway. And presumably finished shopping and went back to the trailor park. Maybe they were in Walmart buying chips and dip for a klan meeting that night? Who knows?

Question?....
In what Western European country would that not be an incarcerable offense?

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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Anyone who asserts that "the thought police" was imported from Europe only has to look at this ranking...assuming you can equate this to a free press

https://rsf.org/en/ranking essential "value" adopted by Reporters Without Borders is that "Freedom of information is the freedom that allows you to verify the existance of all other freedoms"

All these European countries you slag are in the top 10, (well France & UK & Italy are lower down)......while the USA is ranked 45



Reporters without borders?
Are you kidding me? If there was ever a group with political agendas to promote it would be this one.
Nothing that they would say about anything should be accepted as a reflection of raw reality.

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Yes Marty, this is their agenda that you feel is political.

Its advocacy is founded on the belief that everyone requires access to the news and information, inspired by Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that recognizes the right to receive and share information regardless of frontiers, along with other international rights charters.

RSF has consultative status at the United Nations, UNESCO, the Council of Europe, and the International Organisation of the Francophonie.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Yes Marty, this is their agenda that you feel is political.

Its advocacy is founded on the belief that everyone requires access to the news and information, inspired by Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that recognizes the right to receive and share information regardless of frontiers, along with other international rights charters.

RSF has consultative status at the United Nations, UNESCO, the Council of Europe, and the International Organisation of the Francophonie.



John

Life is a landscape of lies anymore. Maybe it always was.

I am conservative...but you will never see me quote Limbaugh, Hannity, Carlson or Fox News because they are people with an agenda. The primary agenda is inflaming passions of targeted groups to drive readership and sell ads for expensive pillows that are probably no better than something on the shelf at Costco.

"Reporters" with or without borders are overwhelmingly liberal. I've known a couple personally and got a chance to view their biases, which they see as the truth standard. It isn't. Never was. Never will be.

So the takeaway...There is no way that I am going to take any of the above "groups" at face value. They are all pushing something. They all distort and lie in furtherance of their "truth."

As far as Article 19 of whatever...the drug cartels will put out the same kinds of self-sanctifying standards when they take over Northern Mexico. It's hogwash. The glorious "Constitution of Cartel-ina. By the people and for the people."



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So be it. They are liberal. But they perform a necessary role which is to focus attention on certain matters. I concede lists are lists, and over my lifetime I have grown my list of important lists to keep track of myself that reflect what I need professionally, and as a person. They are different from yours and simply reflect who we are.

So you keep your list of lies I'll keep mine smile

And wow Marty, that segue into drug cartels was pretty interesting. It does tie into a book I read in recent years that if you have not read, should get a hold of
https://books.google.ca/books/about...;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
So be it. They are liberal. But they perform a necessary role which is to focus attention on certain matters. I concede lists are lists, and over my lifetime I have grown my list of important lists to keep track of myself that reflect what I need professionally, and as a person. They are different from yours and simply reflect who we are.

So you keep your list of lies I'll keep mine smile

And wow Marty, that segue into drug cartels was pretty interesting. It does tie into a book I read in recent years that if you have not read, should get a hold of
https://books.google.ca/books/about...;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false




John

I personally consider the drug cartels to be the biggest single threat to the quality of life in the United States that there is.
it is very unlikely that the Chinese or the Russians will kill our citizens in our streets but the cartels are doing it now and they are taking on more and more of a sovereign "State" profile with militias and heavy duty firepower and bureaucratic control over territory.

Last year the Mex feds surrendered a prisoner to the cartels for fear of retaliation. That announced just how prominent the cartels have become. And they have a propaganda arm working that puts out "Article 19's"

Words are just words. What matters is whether they are true.

At an abstract level, I saw a propaganda connection and made an exaggerated comparison. But no, I dont consider your reporters comparable to cartels. I consider them self serving.

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Being where you are I can see that is among top of mind for you. I also see powerful corporations applying muscle and power. They may not kill with guns, but "Big Sugar" kills with obesity abd Type II diabetes, Monsanto with Roundup, and companies still measure costs by cost benefit. More insiduously, they deal through the legal system so lobby for favourable legislation which they get by getting to the right person and people. And you and I have have been dealing with them for most of our lives. We grew up in Ralf Nader's times.

The problem with truth is that it is your own, your individual landscape of lies, and it has to be found wading through a landscape of self serving cesspools ....

Guess we're just in different cesspools together smile


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But they did capture el chapo Marty....

But if you want get right down to it, the people create cartels because they want drugs. No demand, no supply, cartels out of a job.

People don't realize that every time they buy a bag of weed, they are supporting cartels.

So long as people want drugs, somebody will be there to supply it.

And a wall will do nothing to cartels , some of these cartels are more powerful than the Mexican army . and if you stop them there somehow, they'll find other countries and ways to deal. They have submarines better than the navy to get drugs to and fro.

I agree there are too many drug gangs here, and they account x r a large percentage of crime, but how do you stop it? The only way you stop it is to stop the demand for money making services of gangs

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
But they did capture el chapo Marty....

But if you want get right down to it, the people create cartels because they want drugs. No demand, no supply, cartels out of a job.

People don't realize that every time they buy a bag of weed, they are supporting cartels.

So long as people want drugs, somebody will be there to supply it.

And a wall will do nothing to cartels , some of these cartels are more powerful than the Mexican army . and if you stop them there somehow, they'll find other countries and ways to deal. They have submarines better than the navy to get drugs to and fro.

I agree there are too many drug gangs here, and they account x r a large percentage of crime, but how do you stop it? The only way you stop it is to stop the demand for money making services of gangs


Fd

There is never not going to be a demand for drugs.

Since it is never going to happen, I see it as a pointless consideration.

The issue is that the demand for drugs has not just created a large criminal enterprise to supply it...but a burgeoning full blown narco state across one border. Complete with bureaucracy and armed forces. They are keeping their incursions just below a threshold that would invoke a military reponse from the US. But one day they wont.

And when that day arrives, whose side will our leaders be on?

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