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#1167501 - 08/09/20 01:08 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
... The issue is not a wall here and there. The issue is our quality of life.


I think if we can defeat trump, we will start to work our way back to the middle ground. Maybe that is a pipe dream, but it is my dream. In any case, we are doing a good job of completely disagreeing and still being civil about it.


I'm afraid it is a pipe dream. You got Trump because exactly that was promised over and over again and never ever happened. The reverse did.
As a result, the sides have locked down and the parties are generating from the extremes within them.

Regards Kevin

#1167504 - 08/09/20 03:39 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Brian,

t's probably close to being good 'ol "human nature" to believe that if a choice or decision someone makes serves to benefit them, that they were not acting ethically but for personal gain.

For instance, most Dems believe Trump and Repubs want to ban mail-in ballots in November cuz that would help them win seats and re-elections and whatnot.
And Republicans may believe the "liberal" way of counting Covid-19 related deaths is a plot hatched by Dems in order help their cause.

But I think it's fair to say that no one, no party, no economic status, is immune from having their ethics compromised or perhaps being ethically challenged to begin with. But we elect these people and they work for us and although corruption is everywhere, it's not in every one.

I've been aware of the theory of "a cabal of people who promote unrest between right and left to serve as a distraction so that their clandestine dealinigs go unnoticed." I in fact wrote a fun song about that some fifteen years ago called "Manchurian Party Girls" which was basically a mashup of "The Manchurian Candidate" with party-girl-E-network-shenanigans like Brittany Spears made headlines when she "accidentally" forgot to wear underwear, Paris Hilton being Paris Hilton etc etc..Lindsley Lohan, and Nicole Richie..yes this song is dated now, LOL...But they are captured by "The Manchurians" who hypnotize them so they react to a certain word (scaramouche) then do crazy, stupid stuff which gets big national headlines, then the Manchurians swoop in and do their dirty deeds.

I even went so far as to write the first act of a screenplay..fun stuff..

Just to let you know I understand the basc design of this "theory" and to understand more I would have to do a bunch of reading..

I'll start by re-reading you, carefully, when I have time..

Later,

Mike

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#1167505 - 08/09/20 05:29 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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When they stop allowing doctors to determine that deaths are caused by Covid19 without positive test results, and when extra payments of $13k for anyone with this and $39k for anyone put on a vent aren't taken into consideration I will start taking the numbers seriously.
Liberal conspiracy, no, liberals taking advantage of it, yes.
And when people aren't allowed to go to church but are allowed to riot and loot, something is definitely wrong with the system.
If people are allowed to shop, they should be allowed to vote.
While I don't like Trump personally, he has done wonders for our country. Of course if you love socialism, and all it entails, Venezuela is looking for citizens with money.


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#1167508 - 08/09/20 09:16 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
... The issue is not a wall here and there. The issue is our quality of life.


I think if we can defeat trump, we will start to work our way back to the middle ground. Maybe that is a pipe dream, but it is my dream. In any case, we are doing a good job of completely disagreeing and still being civil about it.


I'm afraid it is a pipe dream. You got Trump because exactly that was promised over and over again and never ever happened. The reverse did.
As a result, the sides have locked down and the parties are generating from the extremes within them.

Regards Kevin


Here are the real facts, existing border wall before Trump in blue line, new wall since Trump in red. Click and Zoom...
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system

Quality of life takes better jobs, not just handing out money.


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#1167509 - 08/10/20 01:10 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Here is an article that resembles Brian's remarks:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03...es-malthusian-agenda-and-u-s-biowarfare/

If you go to that page, at the bottom of the article you see a link to the original website, "The Unz Review" --click that and the front page is a smorgasborg of conspiracy theories. Click the cover-story on McCain and Google, and then you are just one click away from--you guessed it--Pizzagate was real! I have a rule that I only take news seriously if it's at least THREE hyperlinks of separation from 'Pizzagate-actually-happened' style stories.

Parry concludes:

If the outbreak has led many to be suspicious of the official story, it is exactly because of the history of U.S. biological warfare and the elite’s potentially genocidal and pessimistic worldview that the only way to prevent the demise of humanity is by thinning the herd.

Parry is a good writer, he gives you the feel like he's making a strong case, but it seems like a lot of smoke and mirrors to me, especially seen within the confines of "the unz review" which seems to be home base for him.

Some slightly less fringy news sources find upwards of 20% of Americans believe some form of that theory as well:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...ruth-that-covid-19-was-planned-poll.html

The creepiest think about The Unz Review is that those writers are all part of the same "team" and their writings don't find much success outside of the confines of magazines just like it. They describe their news as "alternate." They are like the "Subpop" Indie label without a "Nirvana" to make too many people notice them..so far..

So do people who frequent websites like ''The Unz Review'' end up believing ALL the stories? Or do they cherry pick a few and think most preposterous?


Mike



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#1167510 - 08/10/20 02:49 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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So do people who frequent websites like ''The Unz Review'' end up believing ALL the stories? Or do they cherry pick a few and think most preposterous?

Almost no one I know of believes in the craziest of theories, but it's very hard not to see China as being responsible for this, especially when the "Bat" story just doesn't hold water. How long did they hold the news up? Long enough for this to spread worldwide before anyone knew it was happening. Did it stop the riots in Hong Kong? Yes. Has it crippled economies around the world? Yes. The boomerang effect of this is, it is hurting their relations with the rest of the world, especially America, unless Biden pulls a miracle out of his hat, since he is getting cozy with them.

Is it a conspiracy? Good question, but before you rule out anything, look who is making money out of it. Like any good detective, follow the money and you find the guilty party/parties.

And no, I don't follow the Unz Review.


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#1167514 - 08/10/20 10:17 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney

Obviously you have no argument against any point I listed because there aren't any, so this virus that you are so afraid of is now a joke? That's pretty telling.


It was intended to be telling. And comical. The most telling sentence was ...."But believe me...just cause I said so."

You labelled Cuomo a "murderer." He is not that. Not by any legal definition. Not by any moral standard. He is a governor who had to make a mountain of decisions under pressure and on the fly. He made a well-intended decision considering what to do with old people in nursing homes and it turned out horribly. He has to live with that but he is not a murderer.

Your counterparts on the left want to hang Trump with negligent manslaughter for not locking down America and undoing the economy when he first heard of some disease that originated in China. I would not have. I doubt that Obama or Hillary or Joe Biden would have. If Trump had done it and been one hundred percent successful, Nancy Pelosi would have declared that proof that he is a paranoid schizophrenic and should be removed from office using the 25th amendment.

Your quote:
"The Gov is working out of a power grab and nonsensical standards meant to further isolate people, anger people, depress people and destroy people. All they want in the end are obedient drones. They have it in spades already, so they are going after any stragglers with a vengeance. They have attacked religion viciously. "

Beyond ..""just cause I said so"...what backs that up? Yes there are connivers in the gov. 435 in the House of Reps. James Comey et al clearly plotted to destroy the president that I voted for after he was elected. From the top of the FBI. Massive abuse of power. But is something called "the gov" trying to "destroy" me? I don't see how and I'm not going to believe it....

Just because you said so.





Not by any legal definition? Have you ever heard of involuntary manslaughter? That is murder. You said, sure, people died directly due to his actions. Look up involuntary manslaughter, it fits. But you "assume" he and his entire state staff and all his advisors were THAT ignorant. I "assume" they are NOT that ignorant. If someone is so that ignorant when we were all being warned about bringing the virus into the presence of our elders, why wasn't he taking the advice of those experts including Fauci and Birx? He was warned. 45 States and nearly every other (if not every other) city and country in the world did the same. They chose to place those elders directly in harms way with deadly results in the face of the rest of the world. Whether it's Premeditated first degree murder or involuntary manslaughter, its murder.


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#1167515 - 08/10/20 10:24 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Brian,

t's probably close to being good 'ol "human nature" to believe that if a choice or decision someone makes serves to benefit them, that they were not acting ethically but for personal gain.

For instance, most Dems believe Trump and Repubs want to ban mail-in ballots in November cuz that would help them win seats and re-elections and whatnot.
And Republicans may believe the "liberal" way of counting Covid-19 related deaths is a plot hatched by Dems in order help their cause.

But I think it's fair to say that no one, no party, no economic status, is immune from having their ethics compromised or perhaps being ethically challenged to begin with. But we elect these people and they work for us and although corruption is everywhere, it's not in every one.

I've been aware of the theory of "a cabal of people who promote unrest between right and left to serve as a distraction so that their clandestine dealinigs go unnoticed." I in fact wrote a fun song about that some fifteen years ago called "Manchurian Party Girls" which was basically a mashup of "The Manchurian Candidate" with party-girl-E-network-shenanigans like Brittany Spears made headlines when she "accidentally" forgot to wear underwear, Paris Hilton being Paris Hilton etc etc..Lindsley Lohan, and Nicole Richie..yes this song is dated now, LOL...But they are captured by "The Manchurians" who hypnotize them so they react to a certain word (scaramouche) then do crazy, stupid stuff which gets big national headlines, then the Manchurians swoop in and do their dirty deeds.

I even went so far as to write the first act of a screenplay..fun stuff..

Just to let you know I understand the basc design of this "theory" and to understand more I would have to do a bunch of reading..

I'll start by re-reading you, carefully, when I have time..

Later,

Mike


The issue with mail in ballots is we have no way to do it securely nor effectively. They STILL haven't finished NY primaries. They've had to disqualify 20%+ of ballots in many states. With an electorate split down the middle, the last thing we need is for EITHER side to be able to claim the election null and void for the riots and shooting to start. My entire life we've had a system to vote. There's no justifiable reason to change mid stream for such an already contentious election. They've found problems nationwide with mail in votes this year. Additionally the post office itself also made tons of errors losing votes, randomly finding votes with no idea where they came from etc. The "virus" does not keep people from lining up as they always have. Grocery stores and pharmacies have been open the entire time, I have family working in both. People rarely wear masks, yet it has continued since the initial shut down without interruption. If people can buy groceries safely, they can vote safely.


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#1167516 - 08/10/20 10:47 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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#1167517 - 08/10/20 10:50 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I am voting in person. In the past, mail in ballots have worked fine. They do have to get ordered on time, filled in correctly, sent out in time and forwarded by the USPS in time. The ballot counters have to match signatures, so it is a bit slower. Why is it such an issue this year? I read on ''The Unz Review'' that the right wingers are mucking up the post office to give the election to trump.

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#1167519 - 08/10/20 11:01 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet


The amount of voter fraud in this time and age (in the US) is so infinitesimal that it would be hard to affect an election (I guess not impossible, though). The only time that I know was in NC in 2018, but it was easily discovered and unraveled.

But voting in person as much as possible is a good thing to do. More mail in ballots can lead to unforeseen problems. At the same time, they are short on poll workers because of the corona virus. They only had one poll open for 300,000 potential voters (?) in one GA district and they had numerous problems. I think early voting in person is a good idea, too. I am not too worried about my polling place. Over 1200 polling places have been closed in the south over the past few years!


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#1167520 - 08/10/20 11:51 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet

That particular fraud consisted (allegedly) of people claiming they had an address in Edinburg Texas in order to vote for the mayor. It appears to have been organized by the mayor. It's not stated in the reports I read, but presumably he paid them. Obviously this particular scheme would be less likely to work in a statewide or national election, but I take your point that fraud exists. I don't think anyone denies that. It just seems to be so small that it is practically negligible and attempts to exaggerate its prevalence are mostly just excuses to enact measures designed to suppress the vote. It's Republicans who are anxious to suppress the vote because they believe that more people voting makes their victory less likely. If it were the other way around, we'd probably see the Democrats doing it.

This story supports (but doesn't prove) one view that I hold - there has to be a pretty strong personal reason to commit voter fraud. In this case it was an ambition to be mayor. Just a strong preference for a candidate or party is rarely going to be enough.

#1167521 - 08/10/20 12:07 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet


This is your Song site and it's a good one. Thanks for maintaining it.
Predictably most of the song people here are liberals. Your assertions about "the gov" plotting to "destroy" us all is not backed by any fact that I see. And rather than winning converts with "your truth," you are providing an up close and personal example of the right wing bogeyman who makes over-the-top claims of conspiracies that cannot be documented. You are detailing and confirming their biases.

I suggest re-thinking.


After scanning articles in :"The Unz Review" --an "alternate" news source where nearly everyone believes that a cabal of elites control the world--I can heartily agree with Martin's sug, here.

The "smoke and mirrors" I referred to in making a case for "elite-world-domination" is to take facts that yes, can be proven, then very subtly draw conclusions from these facts that aren't true, but are a "leap" that isn't detected by the reader due to finessing the facts in such a way that adds as much credence to the leap as possible. It can be very persuasive and seductive writing. But not true. This is true for all the articles here. Read them and you may come away believing Obama is going to be tried for treason, the Pentagon has evidence of spaceships, Tom Hanks is leading a Satanic sex cult that tortures children in Hollywood, and gold is going to skyrocket to $50000 an ounce. After reading a few of these "essays" I realize how, with a persuasive writer, truth can be warped into a believable lie.

That ideas like Brians are the same overriding beliefs of shared by people who are obvious White Nationalists, that are ideas that are also coming out of the mouths of people who are full of hatred towards everyone not like them--THAT'S quite worrisome, to me. I imagine there's a constant FBI watch on that site, since a favorite style of "comment" is to do the "wink wink" of bad mouthing Jews or Blacks while mentioning they own a cache of guns.

Whatever truth may be in Brian's elitist theory is diminished by the fact that it's believed by people like this. Any random sampling of "comments" would leave ANY normal person reeling from all the hate. And again, the calling card into this particular cabal--the one thing everyone there seems to agree upon--is that the elites are in control of everything.

I do suggest folks just "sample through" comments of these people to get an idea of this dark underbelly of American thought. Very scary, to me..


Mike

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"That ideas like Brians are the same overriding beliefs of people who are obvious White Nationalists" - Mike

I was going to stay away from this thread, but I can't let a bullshit comment like this pass. Mike, you've lost all credibility with me. Ahamed of you for making such an idiotic, hurtful statement. A dastardly tactic, and so far removed from the truth.
And that's quite worrisome to me.

That's all I have to say.

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Kevin and Gavin

Y'all are always passing on the party line poo.. such as..

There are only 11-12 million illegals in that country. Not 40 or 50 million. That is a right wing exaggeration.
What is going on at the border represents no real threat to anyone. It is just fodder for right wing bogeymen.
All of the people illegally entering this country are not purposefully breaking our laws, paying coyotes and then harvesting our social services....they are all nice people except for a "infintesmaly" (sp) small number of bad people who dont really matter.
Our crime stats and prisons are not swollen with illegal aliens, many of whom committed heinous crimes. That is also a right wing exaggeration. Anyways, Americans do those crimes too...so..."the more the merrier." To quote Hill...."what difference does it make?"

Even though the first act of an illegal alien is illegal entry, when they get here and situated...they become model law abiding citizens. All that talk about fueling black and gray markets for stolen goods is right wing exaggeration too.

And Hidalgo County is a complete anomaly. If we give people (who live in a culture where falsified IDs are a cottage industry)....discretion over their own ballot identification...there is no way that they will cheat on a paper mail-in self-certified ballot. No democrats will anywhere. That is a right wing lie. ("remember "liar loans" it is not the same type of thing. Rachel Maddow said so.)



Gavin,

You complimented me on my trait of not buying into things that are not believable on their face regardless of tribal membership. I appreciated it. Now, my friend, it's your turn. smile smile

You too Kevin smile Well, you should try. It's liberating.




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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"That ideas like Brians are the same overriding beliefs of people who are obvious White Nationalists" - Mike

I was going to stay away from this thread, but I can't let a bullshit comment like this pass. Mike, you've lost all credibility with me. Ahamed of you for making such an idiotic, hurtful statement. A dastardly tactic, and so far removed from the truth.
And that's quite worrisome to me.

That's all I have to say.

]


I am not calling Brian anything other than a guy whose beliefs are shared by people who also believe some quite outrageous things, and that THAT truth can't help diminish whatever truth is in Brians's beliefs, since they are shared by people like those who leave comments at "The Unz Review." and are obviously bent a certain way.


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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Kevin and Gavin

...

Gavin,

You complimented me on my trait of not buying into things that are not believable on their face regardless of tribal membership. I appreciated it. Now, my friend, it's your turn. smile smile

You too Kevin smile Well, you should try. It's liberating.




I'm not sure what in my post you're referring to, Marty.

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Things are getting strident here.

I think that one difference between you and me is that I see myself as a peanut gallery spectator and largely irrelevant to anyone else. You seem to feel yourself to be "in-the-fight." I look out and see a world of lies and try not to really care too much. You seem to take it all the way "to heart."

I recall you having some serious health concerns. That trumps all this sh t.
I'd let this conversation go. It might even be a good idea to shut this thread down.

It's a song site and a good one.

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Kevin and Gavin

...

Gavin,

You complimented me on my trait of not buying into things that are not believable on their face regardless of tribal membership. I appreciated it. Now, my friend, it's your turn. smile smile

You too Kevin smile Well, you should try. It's liberating.




I'm not sure what in my post you're referring to, Marty.


Your most recent. I took it as a dismissal that there is any threat of significant voter fraud in a mail in national election.
Based on 67 years of observing humanity, that looks improbable to me.
My solution....to not hold an election day, but an election week or an election fortnight. Spread people out based on the alphabet. People need to present themselves in person at the polls for confirmation.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"That ideas like Brians are the same overriding beliefs of people who are obvious White Nationalists" - Mike

I was going to stay away from this thread, but I can't let a bullshit comment like this pass. Mike, you've lost all credibility with me. Ahamed of you for making such an idiotic, hurtful statement. A dastardly tactic, and so far removed from the truth.
And that's quite worrisome to me.

That's all I have to say.

]


I reread my wording there and agree it was a little strong and so I ammended it. Thanks, John. I am only speaking from "my truth" and while not making Brian "guilty-by-association" DID find it hard to read "as truth" the essays he advised me to "go search for"--which I did--cuz they were surrounded by other essays with some extremely warped thiinking...

I should add that I have all kinds of respect for Brian.

That's why I did as he suggested and found more "literature" that echoed his thoughts.

I would be a liar, though, if I said that the environment that housed those thoughts was anything but extremely disturbing to me, as well as most of the articles and essays themselves.

It's very hard to hear potentially "quiet truths" in a noisy, angry environment full of louder obvious untruths. At least for me..

Mike

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Kevin and Gavin

...

Gavin,

You complimented me on my trait of not buying into things that are not believable on their face regardless of tribal membership. I appreciated it. Now, my friend, it's your turn. smile smile

You too Kevin smile Well, you should try. It's liberating.




I'm not sure what in my post you're referring to, Marty.


Your most recent. I took it as a dismissal that there is any threat of significant voter fraud in a mail in national election.
Based on 67 years of observing humanity, that looks improbable to me.
My solution....to not hold an election day, but an election week or an election fortnight. Spread people out based on the alphabet. People need to present themselves in person at the polls for confirmation.


That actually sounds like a pretty good idea to me, Marty. I suspect the Constitution might get in the way. It's a great thing to have, but just occasionally its rigidity gets in the way of a sensible solution to a problem its writers could not have foreseen.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Kevin and Gavin

... You complimented me on my trait of not buying into things that are not believable on their face regardless of tribal membership. I appreciated it. Now, my friend, it's your turn. smile smile

You too Kevin smile Well, you should try. It's liberating.


Sunset: I don't know how many illegal aliens are in the US. The estimates from fox news reported as many as 22 million. But it could be as low as 12 million. In any case, there are too many!

Most "mainstream" republicans seem to think that organized coordinated voting fraud is too hard to pull off without being caught. Voting fraud being small is not a liberal or conservative position -- it seems to be the facts of the situation. Now I do think 2020 is ripe for fraud mainly because trump is pushing it so hard, so his supporters feel they have to do it too.

Who knows what is going to happen -- I don't.


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Sunset Poet Said: "Even though the first act of an illegal alien is illegal entry, when they get here and situated...they become model law abiding citizens. All that talk about fueling black and gray markets for stolen goods is right wing exaggeration too"

This is the biggest piece of BS I have seen on here. Obviously you have never been in the barrios. I have lived in one in East LA. I have personally seen many families where the fathers are working under the table and the whole family is living on welfare and collecting every penny they can steal from us. I have seen teams of construction workers underbidding Americans because they aren't paying any taxes and can work much cheaper. I have seen the drugs and the gangs first hand. Model citizens, I could puke. This is what every liberal would have us believe. It is why every big politician was for the wall until Trump wanted it.


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The constitution requires that leaders be voted in.
I think that any legit process is fine and no process in particular is mandated in the constitution..
My vote is for a fortnight.
Spread people out as sparsely as possible over two weeks.

Consider some of the polling places that I've seen in my life. Such as old buildings with lousy air movement...It's not a good idea to get packed into one of those hallways, even 6 feet apart.

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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Sunset Poet Said: "Even though the first act of an illegal alien is illegal entry, when they get here and situated...they become model law abiding citizens. All that talk about fueling black and gray markets for stolen goods is right wing exaggeration too"

This is the biggest piece of BS I have seen on here. Obviously you have never been in the barrios. I have lived in one in East LA. I have personally seen many families where the fathers are working under the table and the whole family is living on welfare and collecting every penny they can steal from us. I have seen teams of construction workers underbidding Americans because they aren't paying any taxes and can work much cheaper. I have seen the drugs and the gangs first hand. Model citizens, I could puke. This is what every liberal would have us believe. It is why every big politician was for the wall until Trump wanted it.


John

I think that you did not comprehend the sarcasm in my post.

Please sit down, take a breath, breath out slowly, make sure that you took all of your meds today...and read the entire post again...in context.

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Kevin and Gavin

... You complimented me on my trait of not buying into things that are not believable on their face regardless of tribal membership. I appreciated it. Now, my friend, it's your turn. smile smile

You too Kevin smile Well, you should try. It's liberating.


Sunset: I don't know how many illegal aliens are in the US. The estimates from fox news reported as many as 22 million. But it could be as low as 12 million. In any case, there are too many!

Most "mainstream" republicans seem to think that organized coordinated voting fraud is too hard to pull off without being caught. Voting fraud being small is not a liberal or conservative position -- it seems to be the facts of the situation. Now I do think 2020 is ripe for fraud mainly because trump is pushing it so hard, so his supporters feel they have to do it too.

Who knows what is going to happen -- I don't.


Let's say that you are a malevolent actor. Such as the Ruuskys who fed that Brit twit the "Steele Dossier."
A good PLAN A for them is to saturate the mail in stations with fraudulent votes and get the US election mired in a ditch for months. Would make the "hanging chads" look like a minor inconvenience.
And if that doesn't scare you liberals...how bout this...Donny declares himself Prez until it is completely sorted out.

Oh such theater that would be. wink

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Let's say that you are a malevolent actor. Such as the Ruuskys who fed that Brit twit the "Steele Dossier."
A good PLAN A for them is to saturate the mail in stations with fraudulent votes and get the US election mired in a ditch for months. Would make the "hanging chads" look like a minor inconvenience.


Yes, that is a conceivable scenario. But the poll workers have to match signatures. Yes it would slow things down, but an accurate count could be obtained. I am voting in person. At least five states have 100% mail in votes. Maybe it won't work out that well this time around!


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What comes to mind is that line from breakfast club , " Why do you need a fake Id " ....so I can vote!

I think ID should be needed to vote. I need ID to use the library, I need ID to enter many buildings and meet with people in offices. Why don't I need an Id to vote? My dad had the same name as me, I had problems and was questioned many times when voting. They basicly thought he was me.

Not sure why its a dem/rep issue,as everything eventually becomes. I don't have any particular favorite , but its pretty obvious why dems want mail in and no id, and obvious why repubs want id.


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We have to show an ID to vote in Virginia.


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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
The constitution requires that leaders be voted in.
I think that any legit process is fine and no process in particular is mandated in the constitution..
My vote is for a fortnight.
Spread people out as sparsely as possible over two weeks.

Consider some of the polling places that I've seen in my life. Such as old buildings with lousy air movement...It's not a good idea to get packed into one of those hallways, even 6 feet apart.

You're right. I checked and there is nothing in the Constitution to prevent this. "A fortnight" - you're speaking my language LOL.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
The constitution requires that leaders be voted in.
I think that any legit process is fine and no process in particular is mandated in the constitution..
My vote is for a fortnight.
Spread people out as sparsely as possible over two weeks.

Consider some of the polling places that I've seen in my life. Such as old buildings with lousy air movement...It's not a good idea to get packed into one of those hallways, even 6 feet apart.

You're right. I checked and there is nothing in the Constitution to prevent this. "A fortnight" - you're speaking my language LOL.


Always liked that word. smile

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Sunset Poet,

My sincere apologies. I acted/read in haste and I completely missed this part:

Kevin and Gavin

Y'all are always passing on the party line poo.. such as..

PS, I am on Ibuprofen, and an antibiotic, but that isn't the kind of meds you were referring too...


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There are tons of stories circulating right now about people getting a lot more voter registration cards than they should be, for dead parents, siblings, people who used to live at that address up to 5 years ago...

The only ID I see being valid would be a national voter registration. It won't happen for this election but it should be a requirement for future ones. That and term limits.

For those who think a regular ID, even a drivers license is good enough:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-cu...-from-china-other-countries_3455983.html

And yes, China, just like Russia, would love to see trump gone.


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I should add that I have all kinds of respect for Brian.

That's why I did as he suggested and found more "literature" that echoed his thoughts.

I would be a liar, though, if I said that the environment that housed those thoughts was anything but extremely disturbing to me, as well as most of the articles and essays themselves.

It's very hard to hear potentially "quiet truths" in a noisy, angry environment full of louder obvious untruths. At least for me..

Mike

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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
I should add that I have all kinds of respect for Brian.

That's why I did as he suggested and found more "literature" that echoed his thoughts.

I would be a liar, though, if I said that the environment that housed those articles was anything but extremely disturbing to me.

It's very hard to hear quiet truths in a noisy, angry environment. At least for me..


That's almost as bad as trying to tell people that all police and white people are not bad in the middle of a riot.


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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
There are tons of stories circulating right now about people getting a lot more voter registration cards than they should be, for dead parents, siblings, people who used to live at that address up to 5 years ago...

The only ID I see being valid would be a national voter registration. It won't happen for this election but it should be a requirement for future ones. That and term limits.

For those who think a regular ID, even a drivers license is good enough:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-cu...-from-china-other-countries_3455983.html

And yes, China, just like Russia, would love to see trump gone.


The fact that there are a lot of stories circulating tells us one thing - that there are a lot of stories circulating. There are also a lot of stories circulating about Bigfoot.

I'm not sure if you're joking about Russia wanting Trump gone or if someone slipped something into that ibuprofen of yours smile China, on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
There are tons of stories circulating right now about people getting a lot more voter registration cards than they should be, for dead parents, siblings, people who used to live at that address up to 5 years ago...

The only ID I see being valid would be a national voter registration. It won't happen for this election but it should be a requirement for future ones. That and term limits.

For those who think a regular ID, even a drivers license is good enough:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-cu...-from-china-other-countries_3455983.html

And yes, China, just like Russia, would love to see trump gone.


The fact that there are a lot of stories circulating tells us one thing - that there are a lot of stories circulating. There are also a lot of stories circulating about Bigfoot.

I'm not sure if you're joking about Russia wanting Trump gone or if someone slipped something into that ibuprofen of yours smile China, on the other hand...


Where there is smoke, and especially if lots of sources are citing it, there is usually fire
. And yes, Russia would be very happy to have a socialist America.

And yes, the liberal line, "All you conservatives must be on drugs." But we aren't the ones trying to legalize all of them...


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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck


And yes, the liberal line, "All you conservatives must be on drugs." But we aren't the ones trying to legalize all of them...


Score!! smile

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Where there is smoke, and especially if lots of sources are citing it, there is usually fire

Exactly why the FBI had to investigate the trump campaign for possibly colluding with the ruskies. The smoke was so thick you couldn't see.

Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
And yes, the liberal line, "All you conservatives must be on drugs."

I hadn't heard that before. I have heard the one where you all are "drinking the kool-aid".

My opinion is that Russia is very happy with Trump and every other country in the world wants him gone. I think most countries don't want a totally unpredictable USA where decisions seem to be made on neither the facts, policy or the situation on the ground, but on who does the best job stroking trump's big ego. Flattery gets you everywhere with the Donald.

Unpredictability can be an asset when there is a strategy involved. Being unpredictable because you change your mind every few seconds doesn't do much good.



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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
There are tons of stories circulating right now about people getting a lot more voter registration cards than they should be, for dead parents, siblings, people who used to live at that address up to 5 years ago...

The only ID I see being valid would be a national voter registration. It won't happen for this election but it should be a requirement for future ones. That and term limits.

For those who think a regular ID, even a drivers license is good enough:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-cu...-from-china-other-countries_3455983.html

And yes, China, just like Russia, would love to see trump gone.


The fact that there are a lot of stories circulating tells us one thing - that there are a lot of stories circulating. There are also a lot of stories circulating about Bigfoot.

I'm not sure if you're joking about Russia wanting Trump gone or if someone slipped something into that ibuprofen of yours smile China, on the other hand...


Where there is smoke, and especially if lots of sources are citing it, there is usually fire
. And yes, Russia would be very happy to have a socialist America.

And yes, the liberal line, "All you conservatives must be on drugs." But we aren't the ones trying to legalize all of them...


You'd better hope there is smoke without fire because these "sources" are blowing it up your a$$. I'm sorry, couldn't resist that. smile This sounds like when Trump says, "A lot of people are saying..." at the beginning of a sentence about something no sensible person is saying. I'll backtrack a little and say that there probably are a lot of mistakes in registration due to people moving or dying, but study after study has shown there is a vanishingly small correlation between this and fraud.

There is zero possibility of a socialist America. I am glad of that. The same scare tactic is trotted out every election.

When I was a kid, I had a friend who was notorious for cheating at every game we played. When you called him a cheat for stealing a bunch of money from the bank at Monopoly (he wasn't a very good cheat despite all that practice), he didn't just deny it. He turned reality on its head and retorted, "You're the cheat." It made no sense. It is the opposite of what you could see to be reality. Saying Russia wants Trump to be defeated is basically the same thing.

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While fraud can be committed in a variety of ways, the Postal Service is probably the LAST place that any intelligent fraudster would choose.

Think about it, you receive dozens of calls on the phone every week with fraudulent scams. and who would you complain to about it? i have no idea. i think i complained once decades ago to att and got no respnse.

you receive dozens of emails a week from fraudulaent scams.. who would you complain to? Bill gates? Al gore? Lilly from Verison?

Have you ever received a postcard or letter from a nigerian prince claiming to have millions to share? I never have. if i did, i would report it to the post office. they actually do something they have postal inspecters that will look into it. and woe to any scammer that actually gets caught. its a FELONY to tamper with the mail. its a FELONY to commit mail fraud. its a FELONY to take someone elses mail.

Nothing is impossible but massive voter fraud by mail would be incredibly hard and risky..


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Kevin Emmrich=John W. Selleck]Where there is smoke, and especially if lots of sources are citing it, there is usually fire[/quote]
Exactly why the FBI had to investigate the trump campaign for possibly colluding with the ruskies. The smoke was so thick you couldn't see.

And "The Dossier" and the "Illegal Warrants" and all the other ilk on that is coming out now. Thank heaven the truth will finally be heard!

John W. Selleck]And yes, the liberal line, "All you conservatives must be on drugs."
I hadn't heard that before. I have heard the one where you all are "drinking the kool-aid".

I thought we only used that on liberals.

My opinion is that Russia is very happy with Trump and every other country in the world wants him gone. I think most countries don't want a totally unpredictable USA where decisions seem to be made on neither the facts, policy or the situation on the ground, but on who does the best job stroking trump's big ego. Flattery gets you everywhere with the Donald.

Unpredictability can be an asset when there is a strategy involved. Being unpredictable because you change your mind every few seconds doesn't do much good.



[/b]Russia and almost every other country would love to see Trump gone, mainly because he is doing something that hasn't been done in decades. He is acting in the best interests of the American people, not for the swamp. How many other presidents donated their salary to charity? How many others brought jobs and manufacturing back to our country instead of them going away.[/b]


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The amount of voter fraud in this time and age (in the US) is so infinitesimal that it would be hard to affect an election (I guess not impossible, though). The only time that I know was in NC in 2018, but it was easily discovered and unraveled.

But voting in person as much as possible is a good thing to do. More mail in ballots can lead to unforeseen problems. At the same time, they are short on poll workers because of the corona virus. They only had one poll open for 300,000 potential voters (?) in one GA district and they had numerous problems. I think early voting in person is a good idea, too. I am not too worried about my polling place. Over 1200 polling places have been closed in the south over the past few years!


Really? Is 20% infinitesimal? That is the % they had to toss out of the NY Primaries mail in ballots. Look closer.


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You'd better hope there is smoke without fire because these "sources" are blowing it up your a$$. I'm sorry, couldn't resist that. smile This sounds like when Trump says, "A lot of people are saying..." at the beginning of a sentence about something no sensible person is saying. I'll backtrack a little and say that there probably are a lot of mistakes in registration due to people moving or dying, but study after study has shown there is a vanishingly small correlation between this and fraud.

We will all believe what we choose to believe and your truth comes nowhere close to mine. I don't know that it is fraud, but it is not a good thing.
Again, if we can go to the store to shop, we can go to the polls to vote.


There is zero possibility of a socialist America. I am glad of that. The same scare tactic is trotted out every election.

Biden is courting all the self declared socialists/communists in his party and telling them that will be the party line and what he will do as president. The Green New Deal, Medicare for all, including illegals, Guaranteed salaries for all whether working or not, and on, and on, and on. Please read what the party itself is saying before denying it.


When I was a kid, I had a friend who was notorious for cheating at every game we played. When you called him a cheat for stealing a bunch of money from the bank at Monopoly (he wasn't a very good cheat despite all that practice), he didn't just deny it. He turned reality on its head and retorted, "You're the cheat." It made no sense. It is the opposite of what you could see to be reality. Saying Russia wants Trump to be defeated is basically the same thing.

If Russia wanted Trump, where did "The Dossier" come from? Simple question.. So who is the cheat here? All the people that perpetrated the hoax.


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Just heard the accuesed rapist and confessed peeping tom, Trump, say "the 1917 pandemic might have cause the early end of world war 2"

actual trump not some analyst or fake news opinion of a fake news reporter, Trump him self. On camera. God help us all..


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Originally Posted by Moosesong
Just heard the accuesed rapist and confessed peeping tom, Trump, say "the 1917 pandemic might have cause the early end of world war 2"

actual trump not some analyst or fake news opinion of a fake news reporter, Trump him self. On camera. God help us all..


And Biden has been on the air saying he is running for Congress, and against himself. People in glass houses...


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Really? Is 20% infinitesimal? That is the % they had to toss out of the NY Primaries mail in ballots. Look closer.


Do you think it was fraud in the NY mail in ballots? Sounds like design and user issues for the most part. But I wasn't there to investigate.
Here's a good article: https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-election-failure-mail-in-voting/614446/


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Really? Is 20% infinitesimal? That is the % they had to toss out of the NY Primaries mail in ballots. Look closer.


Do you think it was fraud in the NY mail in ballots? Sounds like design and user issues for the most part. But I wasn't there to investigate.
Here's a good article: https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-election-failure-mail-in-voting/614446/


Kevin

It doesnt matter what caused a breakdown. If fraud and/or various flaws cast serious doubts on the legitimacy of the election results...the whole thing might end up in the dumper for months.
There are likely going to be a few razor thin states.. Mail-in ballots invite fraud and various errors. In a razor thin state or two, error or fraud could possibly change the winner of the entire election. Think Florida, hanging chads,SCOTUS,. One way or another people need to get to the polls and confirm who they are.

Unless maybe you have a secret desire to install King Donaldo for life. I suspect that if he thinks that the election was stolen from him and believes that he was the actual winner and feels like he can prove it...he won't leave. In that event. he and his most ardent followers could see themselves as sanctified champions of the American Republic in a death struggle against the forces of evil.
It's best to get people to the polls to present themselves with ID....and avoid such a situation

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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck


You'd better hope there is smoke without fire because these "sources" are blowing it up your a$$. I'm sorry, couldn't resist that. smile This sounds like when Trump says, "A lot of people are saying..." at the beginning of a sentence about something no sensible person is saying. I'll backtrack a little and say that there probably are a lot of mistakes in registration due to people moving or dying, but study after study has shown there is a vanishingly small correlation between this and fraud.

We will all believe what we choose to believe and your truth comes nowhere close to mine. I don't know that it is fraud, but it is not a good thing.
Again, if we can go to the store to shop, we can go to the polls to vote.


There is zero possibility of a socialist America. I am glad of that. The same scare tactic is trotted out every election.

Biden is courting all the self declared socialists/communists in his party and telling them that will be the party line and what he will do as president. The Green New Deal, Medicare for all, including illegals, Guaranteed salaries for all whether working or not, and on, and on, and on. Please read what the party itself is saying before denying it.


When I was a kid, I had a friend who was notorious for cheating at every game we played. When you called him a cheat for stealing a bunch of money from the bank at Monopoly (he wasn't a very good cheat despite all that practice), he didn't just deny it. He turned reality on its head and retorted, "You're the cheat." It made no sense. It is the opposite of what you could see to be reality. Saying Russia wants Trump to be defeated is basically the same thing.

If Russia wanted Trump, where did "The Dossier" come from? Simple question.. So who is the cheat here? All the people that perpetrated the hoax.


My point is not about cheating. It is about the tactic of doing something bad and then not just denying it but accusing someone who points it out of doing it. But you're right, John. If you can bring yourself to believe that "the dossier" was supplied by the Russian government to make itself look bad, and that they don't profit from having someone like Trump in power, then we really are too far apart.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck


You'd better hope there is smoke without fire because these "sources" are blowing it up your a$$. I'm sorry, couldn't resist that. smile This sounds like when Trump says, "A lot of people are saying..." at the beginning of a sentence about something no sensible person is saying. I'll backtrack a little and say that there probably are a lot of mistakes in registration due to people moving or dying, but study after study has shown there is a vanishingly small correlation between this and fraud.

We will all believe what we choose to believe and your truth comes nowhere close to mine. I don't know that it is fraud, but it is not a good thing.
Again, if we can go to the store to shop, we can go to the polls to vote.


There is zero possibility of a socialist America. I am glad of that. The same scare tactic is trotted out every election.

Biden is courting all the self declared socialists/communists in his party and telling them that will be the party line and what he will do as president. The Green New Deal, Medicare for all, including illegals, Guaranteed salaries for all whether working or not, and on, and on, and on. Please read what the party itself is saying before denying it.


When I was a kid, I had a friend who was notorious for cheating at every game we played. When you called him a cheat for stealing a bunch of money from the bank at Monopoly (he wasn't a very good cheat despite all that practice), he didn't just deny it. He turned reality on its head and retorted, "You're the cheat." It made no sense. It is the opposite of what you could see to be reality. Saying Russia wants Trump to be defeated is basically the same thing.

If Russia wanted Trump, where did "The Dossier" come from? Simple question.. So who is the cheat here? All the people that perpetrated the hoax.


My point is not about cheating. It is about the tactic of doing something bad and then not just denying it but accusing someone who points it out of doing it. But you're right, John. If you can bring yourself to believe that "the dossier" was supplied by the Russian government to make itself look bad, and that they don't profit from having someone like Trump in power, then we really are too far apart.


Gavin

When the guy who supplied the dossier to the world and set the world on it's ear...wont step out in public to validate it...you are dealing with lies and liars. Christopher Steele owed the world an explanation for what he did, yet he has never given it. I suspect he cant withstand a cross examination. It was said to be Steele himself who sourced the Ruuskys.


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