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#1167269 - 08/03/20 12:05 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Sheeple - people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced. I think that term is appropriate Gavin. I know there's a movement to curtail freedom of speech, but I won't be silenced because it offends someone. Odd, where were you when I was being called a “denier”? Besides, I was using the term broadly, not directed at one specific person – unlike the usage of “denier”. So… “sheeple, sheeple, sheeple, seems to be the direction of the people”.

John laugh


John

If you call me sheeple, that's okay by me. In this particular application , I will wear "sheeple" as a badge of reason and prudence.

Do you mind if I refer to you as "Jonesy?" In honor of another guy who was convinced of his infallibility, yet got it wrong with disastrous results?

Fair is fair. wink

#1167270 - 08/03/20 12:19 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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JLS......Defending and promoting "your freedom to do as you please" and attacking people who wear a mask and comply with what science and the medical community asks of us as "sheeple" is not at all displaying your freedom... rather it displays your ignorance, your lack of understanding and your lack of respect, care and compassion for your family, friends, neighbours, community and anyone you might encounter.

And why the harsh attack????.....because once you again you call us who comply "sheeple".

I know you dispute the numbers, but as of now, the US, with less than 5% of the world's population has suffered 25% of the world's Covid 19 casualties...but I expect you don't want to hear that, or will dismiss it as propaganda, or some hoax.




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#1167273 - 08/03/20 01:30 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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"LS......Defending and promoting "your freedom to do as you please" - John V

Did I say that John? Slightly different than "freedom of speech”. Then again, altering someone’s words to suit one's agenda, is an affective tactic, especially since most won’t back-check for facts. First time I was ever called ignorant – “lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated”. Hey, I’m sophisticated John!

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#1167274 - 08/03/20 01:31 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Sheeple - people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced. I think that term is appropriate Gavin. I know there's a movement to curtail freedom of speech, but I won't be silenced because it offends someone. Odd, where were you when I was being called a “denier”? Besides, I was using the term broadly, not directed at one specific person – unlike the usage of “denier”. So… “sheeple, sheeple, sheeple, seems to be the direction of the people”.

John laugh

Denier is a fair description of someone who denies something. Sheeple is just a gratuitous insult which is kind of ironic since it could just as easily be applied to those who use it so freely, The major difference is that the folks you call sheeple are following a border collie, smartest dog in the world and fully qualified to point out the best direction, while the flock to which you belong are following a mangy mutt that was hit by a car and hasn't been right in the head since.

As you can see from my avatar, I don't mind being called one of the sheeple. I just thought you should stop using it because it kind of makes you look bad. smile

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair

while the flock to which you belong are following a mangy mutt that was hit by a car and hasn't been right in the head since.


LMAO....

Poor Jonesy is possessed by those demon spirits that the good doctor talks about in her sermons. We need to pray for the good lord rid him of those demons.

(still laughing)

#1167277 - 08/03/20 02:04 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Sorry John, I assumed you walked your talk.

You can say whatever you want then...as long as you wear a mask, practice social distancing, and adhere to what the medical and scientific community are saying


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One thing I do find strange... Of all the crazy numbers we see daily for COVID 19 (positive tests, the COVID 19 sick, and deaths), no one in my family, relatives, friends, neighbors have contracted it. You would think with those large numbers, I would at least know one. And none of the above know anyone either. Hmm...

John crazy

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
One thing I do find strange... Of all the crazy numbers we see daily for COVID 19 (positive tests, the COVID 19 sick, and deaths), no one in my family, relatives, friends, neighbors have contracted it. You would think with those large numbers, I would at least know one. And none of the above know anyone either. Hmm...

John crazy

Not my case. I personally know 3 people. Two well. Of the three, one was hammered. One was hammered bad. One waltzed through it. The oldest one waltzed through.
Youre playing the odds John, Make sure that you know the odds. Herman Cain was sure that he did.

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Probably has more to do with where you live John. Plus what "strata " of society you occupy.

Here in Canada, it hit mostly old people in retirement homes and poorer folk who 1) lived closely together and who 2) worked in higher risk occupations and who 3) could not work from home

Also "took out" a disproportionate share of Black and Indigenous peoples.

Not sure about US numbers.

But use Couch as an example. I expect he is fine because I check to make sure he keeps posting...but early on in this thread he totally nixed Covid19...at a time when AZ was relatively unaffected...but then it became a real hot spot...and I assume\hope he is now taking the necessary precautions.




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I know of three deaths, two recoveries, one death was 52 year old, other one was a college kid is who had basicly cold symptoms. Two older folks died.

I will agree that youd think you would have heard of more personally, but it's still rare in the sense of how many people there are. In New Jersey there are nine million people, only a tiny statistical amount of people get it and die. But it still adds up.

All the sports figures getting it shows contagious it is, what I find odd is in baseball, the older coaches are wearing masks, the players generally are not, so the old guys are protecting the young guys, not the other way around

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Well, I reckon we're lucky then. We're from PA, about two hours from NYC.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Sheeple - people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced. I think that term is appropriate Gavin. I know there's a movement to curtail freedom of speech, but I won't be silenced because it offends someone. Odd, where were you when I was being called a “denier”? Besides, I was using the term broadly, not directed at one specific person – unlike the usage of “denier”. So… “sheeple, sheeple, sheeple, seems to be the direction of the people”.

John laugh


The amount of fraud in the reported numbers is rampant. The numbers of death they ADMIT they inflate almost randomly. It includes anyone with a Corona Virus (not Covid 19) who dies regardless of actual cause of death. Over and over they admit this. No one seems to listen. Fraud after fraud on the tiny number of verifications conducted suggests significant overall fraud. ALL of them should be audited. Meanwhile with each new case and corresponding tinier % of fatalities to infection rations makes this safer and safer. We test more so our numbers are higher.

Meanwhile Sweden doesn't close anything and doesn't distance and only randomly wear masks and their rates are very close to the US without them hurting their economy at all or changing their lives. We've RUINED kids. This will never leave them. It can never be made up or recaptured. Teen suicides now outpace CV deaths.

It will get SOOOO much worse before it gets better. IF it ever does. Meanwhile they are looking at ANOTHER 7 trillion of mostly wasted money and our National debt will become unserviceable should interest rates increase 2%.

We are a lost country and there are far worse things than CV.


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It's refreshing to read your post Brian! I was starting to feel like Alice in Wonderland. laugh

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You're not John? Maybe I am....

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Something more frightening than the corn-rona virus: https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2020/08/open-waters-at-north-pole-expected.html A good short-attention span video. Only 6 minutes.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
It's refreshing to read your post Brian! I was starting to feel like Alice in Wonderland. laugh

John smile

Going by your (extremely cool) avatar, the Mad Hatter might be more appropriate smile

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
It's refreshing to read your post Brian! I was starting to feel like Alice in Wonderland. laugh

John smile

Going by your (extremely cool) avatar, the Mad Hatter might be more appropriate smile


laugh

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I always thought John's avatar looks fedorable ....look at the way he tips that hat


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
I always thought John's avatar looks fedorable ....look at the way he tips that hat


No idea what "fedorable" means John, but I reckon it's a synonym for adorable. Thanks!

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More of a pun John wink

And for everyone. Use Chrome and it translates automatically. Article from Die Zeit ...Germany.


https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundhe...-de-DE#wo-ist-das-ansteckungsrisiko-hoch


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I hope we can all step back for a few minutes or hours and think about how we are arguing/discussing a Pandemic nobody seems to understand... and here we are, not a scientist, immune-ologist, (sp?) or medical doctor in the crowd. To me, it has to be real... too many deaths... but I cannot get my brain to grasp the numbers presented on so many Covid Websites. How are the Chinese statistics so low except in the number of tests administered?

Here in the "sticks"... our latests stats in the second smallest county in Texas... we have had one death and 90 cases of Covid 19. I don't think I know the names of any of them... but Brian brings up a pretty strong argument that there are many "games" being played with the numbers and how the cases are "coded" in a blatant attempt to receive government subsidies, etc.

When we go shopping or visit places frequented by the general public, we do wear our masks. Our main reason is to comply with Governor Abbot's request that we do so. Do I have doubts about how effective they are? Yes! Am I willing to gamble that I may accidentally infect others if I sneeze? No! Only time will tell the real truth about this strange chapter of American History but it is wreaking havoc with our society and economy.

Meanwhile, I'll try to stay busy writing, re-writing and recording. Knowing that I'm performing an exercise in futility!

Stay safe... and don't forget to pray. ----Dave

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The death rate is not the whole picture. Does anybody feel better if instead of 160k have died, only 100k have? How does that change it?

Whether or not you die is not the whole thing, you don't want the disease, you don't want to be faced with the chance of dying from it, you don't want to be hospitalized and I'm pretty sure John washes his hands and wears a mask, and is taking it seriously , he's not a stupid person.

I wonder how many so called deniers have no reservations about sending their kids back to school , bet they are secretly hoping they don't have to make that move.

I deny the deniers

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"The death rate is not the whole picture. Does anybody feel better if instead of 160k have died, only 100k have? How does that change it?" - Fde

Some of us believe the numbers are extremely falsified. If so, that would place this pandemic in the range of a normal flu season. So where was your concern last year when 50-60,000 died from the flu? I reckon the numbers do count.

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First of all, to accept flu death numbers takes the same reasoning to accept covid death nunbers. Just cause flu numbers are lower, that's what you want to believe?

Numbers matter but covid is so obviously more contagious and kills more than the flu, I mean the biggest denier of all trump now concedes that.

Not sure what you gain by trying to minimize this.

You can move to Florida and shuffle your grandkids off to school if you like...

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The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers:
https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-cdc-confesses-to-lying-about-covid-19-death-numbers

People die. Can't change that. In fact, over 153,000 people die everyday in the World: https://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/world-death-clock.asp#:~:text=Annual%20Deaths%20%20%20Per%20Year%20%20,%20%20106.60%20%201%20more%20rows%20

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
First of all, to accept flu death numbers takes the same reasoning to accept covid death nunbers. Just cause flu numbers are lower, that's what you want to believe?

Numbers matter but covid is so obviously more contagious and kills more than the flu, I mean the biggest denier of all trump now concedes that.

Not sure what you gain by trying to minimize this.

You can move to Florida and shuffle your grandkids off to school if you like...


Are there ANY people who believe the gov are trying to help us save lives? Any? YOU are FOOLS if you do. Proof? 6-7 Million people die EVERY single year from the most preventable cause of death in world history: Smoking.

Not only have they not banned it (compared to banning commerce, church, social gatherings of any nature outside of rioting etc.) they are allowing the decreased numbers to be replaced by legalizing Pot and it's vaped derivatives which are rarely regulated. THEY DO NOT CARE HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE! Get it through your heads. This has zero to do with saving lives. ZERO.


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
First of all, to accept flu death numbers takes the same reasoning to accept covid death nunbers. Just cause flu numbers are lower, that's what you want to believe?

Numbers matter but covid is so obviously more contagious and kills more than the flu, I mean the biggest denier of all trump now concedes that.

Not sure what you gain by trying to minimize this.

You can move to Florida and shuffle your grandkids off to school if you like...


Are there ANY people who believe the gov are trying to help us save lives? Any? YOU are FOOLS if you do. Proof? 6-7 Million people die EVERY single year from the most preventable cause of death in world history: Smoking.

Not only have they not banned it (compared to banning commerce, church, social gatherings of any nature outside of rioting etc.) they are allowing the decreased numbers to be replaced by legalizing Pot and it's vaped derivatives which are rarely regulated. THEY DO NOT CARE HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE! Get it through your heads. This has zero to do with saving lives. ZERO.



I am worried about saving my life and the life of my wife. That is all that I have any say in.

Question: If this entire effort has nothing at all to do with saving lives? ....then exactly what is it about?

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Cigarette makers knew it caused cancer since at least 1950, even before the medical circles did. Now Phillip Morris has to run commercials admitting it causes cancer and heart disease.

Politicians care about the rhetoric of saving lives, in fairness, it's hard to fully empathize with people you don't know, so I think government is interested in lowering numbers, keeping hospitals from overflowing, keeping citys from going bankrupt. Do I think they care about me per se? He'll no.

But you could flip that question around and ask do they care about me In any shape or form? Corona or not? As an individual they don't care about me.

At the same time, by controlling the disease they indirectly or directly improve my odds.

Mayor Bloomberg wanted to make buying a large soda illegal it was tried for a while but never really caught on. You could say he banned it to stop the spread of obesity, and cared about saving lives, or he was trying to eliminate the cost obesity causes, obesity is th biggest health problem we have, total killer. I believe there are over 50 conditions linked to obesity including many cancers

So, I'd say they care more about costs, keeping the machine rolling, don't think they want to save me.

That said, the evidence is overwhelming that this thing is out of control, and look at countries like Bolivia and India who are getting hit with more than us.

This ain't a trump... dem/republican thing , this is a global problem

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"Fauci says virus may never be eradicated"

No kidding, the coronavirus was first identified in 1965. Probably existed long before that.

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Probably has been here forever, just never gained a stronghold before.

It probably morphed over and over again until it finally got a chance to infect humans.

The only way to seal this conversation is to bring ER doctors here and let them tell you the challenge it's been. One er doc in nj said he saw nothing but covid
Patients for 90 days straight.

Will you tell a doctor treating covid patients that its nothing?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Probably has been here forever, just never gained a stronghold before.

It probably morphed over and over again until it finally got a chance to infect humans.

The only way to seal this conversation is to bring ER doctors here and let them tell you the challenge it's been. One er doc in nj said he saw nothing but covid
Patients for 90 days straight.

Will you tell a doctor treating covid patients that its nothing?


You could take John and Brian into a Covid wing for a week. Wouldn't change. They are locked on to a belief and they arent letting go. So was the late Herman Cain. Stats, facts can all be dismissed.
It is tribal and genetic...and apparently intractable. To quote Nancy Pelosi..."people will do what they do."

I live in a complex with a physician on the mayor's covid task force and talk with her and her scientist husband occasionally about the disease. They do not dismiss it.
Last night I listened to the playback of an interview between a right wing AM host and the Nigerian doctor who Breitbart showcased. She sounded like a lunatic to me, but the host bolstered her credentials and professional prowess at every turn in order to reinforce the hoax agenda.

It reminded me of the insane sh t show that was the Kavanaugh hearing. The media kept talking about how solid and believable Blasey-Ford was. As I listened to her talk like a child and make bizarre facial expressions...I kept wondering.... who the F can they be talking about? And then when some female comedian accurately parodied her, the comedian was savaged.

I'm convinced that I am dreaming at this moment. A dream where I found myself in the mental ward of a hospital somewhere and cannot escape. I'm hoping to wake up soon and breath a sigh of relief that it was only a dream. And the world has not gone lunatic. And the president of the US did not suggest ingesting disinfectant and the speaker of the house did not say that burning police stations is just what people will do. And most off all, I dont have to worry about getting a disease that might mame me or kill me, because I stopped and ate a barbeque sandwich.

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Did anyone read this? From Germany's Die Zeit's on line edition....Die Zeit is "centrist" and well regarded...and definitely not fake news

https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundhe...-de-DE#wo-ist-das-ansteckungsrisiko-hoch

Use Chrome and it will automatically translate. Excellent info if you want to take it in. Sent to me by my sister in law who is a medical professional there

Discusses

Was it confirmed what researchers initially said about the corona virus?
What insights have been gained in the past months?
The current state of knowledge

Nothing earth shattering or anything...but very well summarized and presented






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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Did anyone read this? From Germany's Die Zeit's on line edition....Die Zeit is "centrist" and well regarded...and definitely not fake news

https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundhe...-de-DE#wo-ist-das-ansteckungsrisiko-hoch


I read the article (with google translate) and it seemed like a nice basic summary -- thanks!


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The only logical explanation, and John kind of confirmed it, is that deniers need to see it kill somebody they know well. My guess is if they saw a few first hand cases and lost a loved one, their stance would change.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
The only logical explanation, and John kind of confirmed it, is that deniers need to see it kill somebody they know well. My guess is if they saw a few first hand cases and lost a loved one, their stance would change.


Not what I said. And no my stance wouldn't change. I would just grieve a loved one. Don't be so morbid Fde.

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Lol, wasn't being morbid, it's the only way so.e people believe.

didn't say I want it to happen to you, but I find it strange that you say you still wouldn't believe it if somebody you knew well died from it.

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If my typing sounds muffled it is because I am wearing a mask. I work for an Army Community Hospital out in the California Desert next to Death Valley. I am required by the Hospital Command to wear a mask on the job, especially when providing psychotherapy with soldiers in my office. Every week we have a teleconference meeting with command about the numbers of positive COVID-19 soldiers, DOD civilians, and contract employees on post, 45 miles from the nearest town. No specific numbers are reported (confidential) but it is reported each week that the number is growing. These are young people. I have conducted therapy by phone with soldier patients under quarantine in the barracks. I hate the masks we must wear as medical care providers. They fit tight. I have to forcibly breath in and push exhalations out. I cheat every chance I get by breaking the seal to breath normally. I live in the Socialist Republic of California and have to wear a mask when outdoors and in any store, and even in a drive-through getting food to go. Fines are given by the police if they catch you without a mask on ($100 and even more in large cities). We have triple digit heat which makes mask wearing more annoying. I have mixed feelings. If wearing a mask helps, great. I am in a triple high risk category (Old, Diabetic, and have a spine and heart condition from birth with pace-maker and wheelchair-bound.). But I still resent the HAVE TO element of work and state mandates. I am an "Essential Worker" and have not lost a dime during this epidemic and cannot complain. BUT I SURE AS HELL WILL ANYWAY. There, I feel better. This was therapeutic.

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I agree Perry, but if you don't mandate, how many people will comply? Everybody walks into groceryy store with a mask, if they didn't have to how many would do it?

I recall when we had a water shortage, they " suggested" everybody limit their shower to under ten minutes to preserve water. How many actually did that? Almost none. If you don't mandate you get no compliance.

We could go into freedoms, but we're not free to do what we want

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Well John S...

Your vision for this disease may get put to the test in Sturgis SD. The bikers aint gonna be nobody's sheeple. They are predicting 250,000 bikers to converge on that tiny town. Drinking, mingling and all.
Do you have any predictions for the aftermath?

They are going to run out of Darwin Trophys this year. I guess the Darwin people will have to send out nice cards as awards.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Well John S...

Your vision for this disease may get put to the test in Sturgis SD. The bikers aint gonna be nobody's sheeple. They are predicting 250,000 bikers to converge on that tiny town. Drinking, mingling and all.
Do you have any predictions for the aftermath?

They are going to run out of Darwin Trophys this year. I guess the Darwin people will have to send out nice cards as awards.


That's the sickness of being addicted to the media news. You lose touch with reality. Sounds like this is nothing more than a game to you. Sitting back in your easy chair waiting for a death count to prove your point. Shame on you!

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A game? Not hardly.
It's a real life circumstance where bad decisions result in corpses that would not otherwise have occurred.

250k bikers crowding into a small town is a disastrous decision with the disease on the incline as it is.

But the bikers seem to share your view that the disease is a hoax conspiracy by....the man or someone. And little more than the seasonal flu amped up into a bogeyman in order for some malevolents to seize control of civilization.

I do not share that view. But "ppl do what they do" and this decision to hold the rally puts that viewpoint to a real life test.

How do you think it will come out?

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Probably has been here forever, just never gained a stronghold before.

It probably morphed over and over again until it finally got a chance to infect humans.

The only way to seal this conversation is to bring ER doctors here and let them tell you the challenge it's been. One er doc in nj said he saw nothing but covid
Patients for 90 days straight.

Will you tell a doctor treating covid patients that its nothing?


You could take John and Brian into a Covid wing for a week. Wouldn't change. They are locked on to a belief and they arent letting go. So was the late Herman Cain. Stats, facts can all be dismissed.
It is tribal and genetic...and apparently intractable. To quote Nancy Pelosi..."people will do what they do."

I live in a complex with a physician on the mayor's covid task force and talk with her and her scientist husband occasionally about the disease. They do not dismiss it.
Last night I listened to the playback of an interview between a right wing AM host and the Nigerian doctor who Breitbart showcased. She sounded like a lunatic to me, but the host bolstered her credentials and professional prowess at every turn in order to reinforce the hoax agenda.

It reminded me of the insane sh t show that was the Kavanaugh hearing. The media kept talking about how solid and believable Blasey-Ford was. As I listened to her talk like a child and make bizarre facial expressions...I kept wondering.... who the F can they be talking about? And then when some female comedian accurately parodied her, the comedian was savaged.

I'm convinced that I am dreaming at this moment. A dream where I found myself in the mental ward of a hospital somewhere and cannot escape. I'm hoping to wake up soon and breath a sigh of relief that it was only a dream. And the world has not gone lunatic. And the president of the US did not suggest ingesting disinfectant and the speaker of the house did not say that burning police stations is just what people will do. And most off all, I dont have to worry about getting a disease that might mame me or kill me, because I stopped and ate a barbeque sandwich.

FUBAR




Martin,

People often make dumb, assuming comments they later regret. You just did.

My wife, son and 4 sisters are front line workers. They are exposed daily in or adjacent to the 5 biggest hospitals in central Indiana. 4 are critical care nurses inside hospital wards. To suggest I have no idea what is happening is simply to have not bothered to ask. But this is in no way connected to anything that does or does not happen in hospitals. Whether this is 100% true or 100% false or anywhere in between, it doesn't change the resulting change because of it.

The Gov is working out of a power grab and nonsensical standards meant to further isolate people, anger people, depress people and destroy people. All they want in the end are obedient drones. They have it in spades already, so they are going after any stragglers with a vengeance. They have attacked religion viciously. Church fellowship is the most important aspect of social cohesion to most religious followers. Removing not only church services (or forcing "fellowship" from the concept in the limited state they allow) but also weddings, funerals, ceremonies (confirmation etc.) is devastating to followers. It is of course entirely unconstitutional, but these authoritarians do not care. Meanwhile mass protests (of the "correct" variety) and rioting are encouraged. These require no social distancing, no masks, no precautions and in many cities, no police to limit it when it turns violent. Violent crimes are up well over 200% in many cities. Just how they want it. We know this because Mayors in those cities have either told their police to stand down, removed significant funding, created horrible conditions for police or all of the above.

They want division of every type they can dream up to keep anyone from comparing notes and asking uncomfortable questions. And they are winning because people mostly through social media or social confrontation are hyper enforcing the most draconian actions they take. I don't know if it is fear, nihilism, hatred of self and the country, ignorance, political ideology, hatred for other political views or all of the above, but a combination of hyper trolls, cancel culture and Karen's (male and female) and open Marxists who seem to love stuff like Social Credit Scores, Authoritarian Rule, No Free Speech (unless it is their own), and pretty much everything we see in China or by watching dystopian warnings like Black Mirror but our "peers" are their wet dream doing their dirty work on every imaginable front.

I predicted this in 2002. "True 'Free Speech' does not exist in any online mass public platform, not because those 'at the top' can stop it completely (they can only limit it or make it difficult or dangerous), but because so many of your friends and neighbors will happily enforce their oppression and agenda for them, all around you, everyday. That is the unspoken danger of 'Online Social Platforms.'" -Brian Austin Whitney in the article "Online Social Platforms Will Be Misused In The Future." Copyright 2002 Just Plain Notes

It has, of course, spread beyond online platforms to real life. Govs and Mayors setting up "Report Your Neighbor" hotlines for anyone stepping out of line are all over the place.

I am unsure why people want an all powerful government ruling you like you're a 3 year old child, but it seems that is the deep seated desire of many. It appears you are going to get it, whether you want it or not.


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No Brian , I am not going to regret my comments. I'm clear and convinced of what I wrote.

And, Dumb? Not hardly.

Your treatises are laced with unproven "infowar" style assertions that seek to see this disease through a world-wide conspiratorial lens. Your relatives may be front line workers but that does not give validity to unproven and hysterical sounding assertions of conspiracy. It makes your assertions even harder to understand. The disease is a certainty.Your determinations reach well beyond events that you can actually know about.

As for conspiracies...they are non stop in human history.
As for the govt power grab...Western society has been a wrestling match between capitalism and the ever-extending reach of socialism since well before Marx. People who express your views typically demand the "benefits that they paid for" in Sosec , Medicare etc ...even though they only paid in a percentage of what they will take out. But somehow it all squares with being a hard-line capitalist. In reality, it is participation in a GOVERNMENT RUN socialist structure..

As for the constitution, it is a very brief document that does not cover a lot of eventualities. And liberal activist judges have circumvented the amendment process by twisting the words that are there into what they want to happen over and over. Nonetheless that is the process that we are left with for now. And, describing the limits of governmental power in what is clearly a pandemic (to anyone who does not suffer from oblivion) ...as unconstitutional...is going well past a given individual's knowledge of what is or is not constitutional. The govt has broad powers in national emerrgencies. The pandemic is a global emergency. Being forced to wear a mask is trivial compared to some of the "freedoms" that the govt has actually dissolved in the last few decades.

Conspiracies are real. In the media, political parties, the JPF song nominations. It's just part of life. But taking them to an unproven level in order to make a case against what the govt can and cannot do to stem a pandemic....IS A CONSPIRACY in and of itself. A lot of what happens in society is not primarily conspiracy but random dysfunction on the part of fools and beligerents.

The virus, on the other hand, is something that will enter your body and do you some level of damage. The govt should be taking steps to limit that prospect. If they did nothing and just watched disease spread...then you would say THAT was the conspiracy. And that assertion would seem more plausible than the ones that you are making..





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There are worse things than the pandemic. And it's way past the point of no return. I've seen businesses after businesses closed down permanently because of orders from the rulers. Here’s the latest. The Tannersville Inn. It has existed since the 1800’s. Started out as a log cabin. So much history being wiped-out.
The owners are blaming this on Governor Wolf – and rightly so. Tannersville Inn Closure:
https://www.poconorecord.com/busine...blaming-gov-wolfrsquos-covid-19-policies

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
There are worse things than the pandemic. And it's way past the point of no return. I've seen businesses after businesses closed down permanently because of orders from the rulers. Here’s the latest. The Tannersville Inn. It has existed since the 1800’s. Started out as a log cabin. So much history being wiped-out.
The owners are blaming this on Governor Wolf – and rightly so. Tannersville Inn Closure:
https://www.poconorecord.com/busine...blaming-gov-wolfrsquos-covid-19-policies

John smile


When the disease left China and spread to the world, it set a catastrophe in motion with no easy solution. There is no clean way out of this. We are F'd to some degree.

The disease is phase 1. The devastating effects on commerce are phase 2. Depending upon the depth of the economic destruction, societal destabilization could be phase 3. Depending on the depth of that, stage 4 is war, carnage, lawlessness, despair, suicide rates etc.

The only route to build-back is the defeat or subsidence or reasonable control of the disease.

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You have to have laws, without them you have no society. I've said it several times here, we are not free, and can't be.

Some people love speed, and feel it's my car, my life, I should be able to drive as fast as I want....But you shouldn't be.

Most of the restrictions we have in place on society are permanent, and I'll never be changed. Everybody knows that covid will not cause permanent restrictions, we all know that probably less than a year, this will be an after thought .

But I'm in nj bordering NY, THE hotspot I saw first hand how out of control it was, I know people who died, some who have recovered.

I mean, 13 Florida Marlins tested positive , 13 Cincinnati reds, if these werent young athletic guys they might be in bad shape now. Just those numbers should tell you how contagious it is. Flu season never had so many guys on one team all get it.

The main problem is it became political. Members from gop or dems had to act and do something, and immediately, those who oppose either party claim they are evil people with agendas. I think most in charge did acceptable jobs, it's easy to sit on sidelines and say they shouldn't do this or that.

If you shut down, your criticized, you open, your criticized...better to be safe for 6 months than do nothing.

Every law you obide by every day is supposedly for your protection, this is no different.




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