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#1167102 - 07/29/20 08:07 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Youtube ande FB are not the govt. They can take something down if they want. 1st amendment was not violated..

No great loss to some of us. The Aflack duck is less of a quack than some of those doctors. What I've learned in the social media world and watching "expert witnesses" over the years is that you can find somebody with "credentials" to say whatever you want them to if you look long enough or pay enough. Expert witnesses make $300 plus per hour to figure out how to say whatever you want them to.

I think that these particular doctors are possessed by "demon spirits."
I wonder what a handful of random exorcists would have to say about all of this. We should be allowed to hear "the truth" from them too.

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Hilarious in a way...feel sorry for the handler....but man that cat was definitely not liking things.


Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
I have heard of Felonious John. I think that he oversaw the building of the Roman Colosseum.

Also, amongst the most fearsome of the alien cats is "Pinky."
(Watch to the end.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okZW3_5Gr4s



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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Hilarious in a way...feel sorry for the handler....but man that cat was definitely not liking things.


Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
I have heard of Felonious John. I think that he oversaw the building of the Roman Colosseum.

Also, amongst the most fearsome of the alien cats is "Pinky."
(Watch to the end.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okZW3_5Gr4s




"Pinky" is a very famous "cat video." First saw it on America's Funniest Videos in the 90's...I think.
The outstanding irony is that the film was a local tv show in Oregon where they present pets for adoption.
When Pinky wrapped around his leg and then snatched the handler's crotch, I couldn't help but laugh. Pinky's chest even bowed up bigger than any cat that I have ever seen. The cat appeared as if saturated in adrenalin.


How do people misjudge a cat like that and put him on TV for adoption?

One possible answer John....Pinky is extraterrestrial and he was toying with the humans waiting to make a public move in order to communicate with like beings.. wink
I believe that a Nigerian doctor from Houston who appeared on YouTube will back that theory up. I think that she already did, but YouTube took it down in order to obscure the alien conspiracy. The Youtube people are aliens too. wink

#1167110 - 07/29/20 01:51 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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You mean Youtube is actually alien technology? Man that just adds to the perplexity.

We moved from relatively benign cathode ray tubes though deathrays to youtubes far too quickly for my liking so that is as good an explanation for that lead as any

But I am grateful for the heads up. I'm only using Vimeo from now on.

Hope I don't find out Vimeo is from Venus while Youtube is from Mars

And Go Pinky!


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Boy does this man understand Sheeples. Only a five minute video - but the sheeples won't/ can't see themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr1I6ztMsz0&feature=youtu.be

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#1167113 - 07/29/20 02:33 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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"Youtube ande FB are not the govt. They can take something down if they want. 1st amendment was not violate" - Sunset

Oh really... The initial concept was proposed to be free speech and open for all! It was funded by the US Government. Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. are simply monopolies of the worst order. These controllers are influencing millions of young minds ala brainwashing. The Zuckerboogers, aren’t entrepreneurs, they’re parasites, forcing their personal agendas, while wanting to be gods ruling the World. Hopefully, but probably not, the antitrust hearings going on as we speak will but a damper on their sick ambitions.

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#1167114 - 07/29/20 02:42 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
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"Psychologists attribute finding a conspiracy where there is none to a mental illness called illusory pattern perception.[3][4]"

These days, researchers are finding more and more instances where a physical cause is responsible for mental conditions previously thought to be acquired. I think there is a good possibility that one day we will know how the brains of those who believe wildly improbable conspiracy theories are wired differently from the rest of us. I don't think it's right just to consider them stupid or ignorant. Some conspiracy theories are very elaborate, as is the reasoning behind them. The condition, if that is the right way to describe it, seems to lie at the stage before the reasoning starts in a propensity to believe obviously bogus "facts," draw unlikely connections between them in preference to more likely explanations and to attach credibility to obvious liars. An analogy might be to autism, where people can't recognize social cues which are obvious to the rest of the population.

Of course, this might just be a conspiracy theory I've made up.

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Well some say the brain is e everything we are, others say it's just a transmitter .

The brain can be found guilty even if the person is not.....try that one out.

The problem with conspiracy theories is they lose steam and meaning when a new one is proposed every day.

There are valid scientists and researchers who challenge the status quo, and we need them. After all Galileo was a conspiracy theorist saying the Earth orbited the sun, and was arrested for saying it. He happened to be right too.

But I think sometimes there's a thick line between bonafied and just wanting to make a name or make some money.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"Youtube ande FB are not the govt. They can take something down if they want. 1st amendment was not violate" - Sunset

Oh really... The initial concept was proposed to be free speech and open for all! It was funded by the US Government. Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. are simply monopolies of the worst order. These controllers are influencing millions of young minds ala brainwashing. The Zuckerboogers, aren’t entrepreneurs, they’re parasites, forcing their personal agendas, while wanting to be gods ruling the World. Hopefully, but probably not, the antitrust hearings going on as we speak will but a damper on their sick ambitions.

John



Gotta bifurcate here:

Youtube, to me, was always a leap for mankind in expression and access to the communicative whole. Access to it was never guaranteed under the constitution and what remains of your libertarian past should agree with that.

Regarding the out-sized reach and concentration of societal power and influence into a handful of tech/social media elites...that is a matter of serious concern. The day is coming when one finger on one laptop can release thousands of "warrior drones." Given that certainty... such a massive concentration of power into the hand(s) of intelligent, mega rich... but possibly dubious elites ...is a concern. e.g. Epstein.



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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
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"Psychologists attribute finding a conspiracy where there is none to a mental illness called illusory pattern perception.[3][4]"

These days, researchers are finding more and more instances where a physical cause is responsible for mental conditions previously thought to be acquired. I think there is a good possibility that one day we will know how the brains of those who believe wildly improbable conspiracy theories are wired differently from the rest of us. I don't think it's right just to consider them stupid or ignorant. Some conspiracy theories are very elaborate, as is the reasoning behind them. The condition, if that is the right way to describe it, seems to lie at the stage before the reasoning starts in a propensity to believe obviously bogus "facts," draw unlikely connections between them in preference to more likely explanations and to attach credibility to obvious liars. An analogy might be to autism, where people can't recognize social cues which are obvious to the rest of the population.

Of course, this might just be a conspiracy theory I've made up.


Dissonance is a great concept.

This article explains it very well in a few paragraphs

https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html

#1167118 - 07/29/20 04:28 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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"Youtube, to me, was always a leap for mankind in expression and access to the communicative whole. Access to it was never guaranteed under the constitution and what remains of your libertarian past should agree with that" - Sunset

No, I don't agree with you. They're part of the Google bitches. They censor videos that doesn't adhere to the Google agenda.

John smile

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"Youtube, to me, was always a leap for mankind in expression and access to the communicative whole. Access to it was never guaranteed under the constitution and what remains of your libertarian past should agree with that" - Sunset

No, I don't agree with you. They're part of the Google bitches. They censor videos that doesn't adhere to the Google agenda.

John smile

They "censor" videos that violate their guidelines regarding hate and disinformation. Google's agenda is to make money, so they don't do a great job of doing that. They don't remove all crazy stuff - if you want to post a video saying the Nazca Lines in Peru were drawn by aliens, they'll let you. If you post something that could endanger people, they'll remove it if someone complains. It's not a great system. Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists post hurtful bile all the time and those hurt by it fight a losing battle getting it taken down. To be taken down by Google/YouTube, it has to be some pretty egregiously bad stuff.

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"They "censor" videos that violate their guidelines regarding hate and disinformation. Google's agenda is to make money, so they don't do a great job of doing that" - Gavin

Yep, censor disinformation Gavin. That's anything they don't agree with. Google's net worth is currently estimated at $200 billion, making it one of the most valuable companies in the world. So, I don't think they do a bad job at making money. And I googled that - ha, ha.

John

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No, I meant that they don't do a great job of removing videos - they are great at making money. smile

It's not anything they disagree with. There is such a thing as objectively false. There are things that are not just "a different viewpoint," but demonstrably lies.There is nothing wrong with removing that material when it can cause harm. This is the very social responsibility that they get criticized for not exercising. That's not an agenda, except in so far as they want to show that they are at least making an effort in order to avoid regulation.

All these companies are businesses. They are not obliged to provide a voice to liars if they don't want to. Liars are at liberty to create their own networks for spreading their misinformation. They have that in the form of Breitbart, AONN, Infowars and a hundred other venues which they use to undermine our democracy.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"Youtube, to me, was always a leap for mankind in expression and access to the communicative whole. Access to it was never guaranteed under the constitution and what remains of your libertarian past should agree with that" - Sunset

No, I don't agree with you. They're part of the Google bitches. They censor videos that doesn't adhere to the Google agenda.

John smile


"Google bitches?" ....LOL
Keep in mind that they dont have to give a reason with a constitutional basis for taking a video down. The thing that annoys me is that they dont have to give that reason, but some guy in Indiana cant simply say..."I dont want to bake you a cake."

Sux

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
No, I meant that they don't do a great job of removing videos - they are great at making money. smile

It's not anything they disagree with. There is such a thing as objectively false. There are things that are not just "a different viewpoint," but demonstrably lies.There is nothing wrong with removing that material when it can cause harm. This is the very social responsibility that they get criticized for not exercising. That's not an agenda, except in so far as they want to show that they are at least making an effort in order to avoid regulation.

All these companies are businesses. They are not obliged to provide a voice to liars if they don't want to. Liars are at liberty to create their own networks for spreading their misinformation. They have that in the form of Breitbart, AONN, Infowars and a hundred other venues which they use to undermine our democracy.


Gavin..

The prospect that YouTube, Twitter, FB etc dont remove many things for political reasons.....is ZERO. That is not my opinion. That is a fact.
If anyone tells you anything to the contrary, they are wrong or just lying.

Marty

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Nope, Marty, that's not a fact. That's a right wing conspiracy theory in itself. I have to admit there is a certain beautiful symmetry in this - spread wild conspiracy theories, then, when they are removed, claim that that too is a conspiracy. I'm not saying they're angels, but show me one thing they have removed for political reasons that was not a lie, hate speech or dangerous or all of those and I'll change my tune.

Sorry if I come across as a bit strident. This is just something I feel very strongly about smile

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Nope, Marty, that's not a fact. That's a right wing conspiracy theory in itself. I have to admit there is a certain beautiful symmetry in this - spread wild conspiracy theories, then, when they are removed, claim that that too is a conspiracy. I'm not saying they're angels, but show me one thing they have removed for political reasons that was not a lie, hate speech or dangerous or all of those and I'll change my tune.

Sorry if I come across as a bit strident. This is just something I feel very strongly about smile



Sorry Gavin. But you are dedicated to an idea that is not true. The tech elite is very "left." For personal reasons or because the consumption of the masses creates a need to be left in order to maximize profits. I suspect that their censorship doesnt bother you because a great deal of it aligns with your political sensibilities.

And I have no problem with them pulling down lunacy. Lies are lies whether delivered from the mouth of an obviously damaged woman about a SCOTUS nominee, as she speaks like a child and has bizarrely out of context countenances...or....a gumball right wing radio host drunk on egotism who cant see the obvious about a virus.

The problem is that the tech elites do not pull down the uncorroborated lies that assassinate the character of the right leaning SCOTUS candidate.



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Back to what I said about true press, every body agreed there is no such thjng, so why is it surprising to see lies, or what we think are lies. Seems it's only a lie if we disagree

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I'll add to my long list of things that depress me the way that people, including the media, today are defined entirely by the labels liberal or conservative. The mantra coming from the right is that reporters for outlets considered liberal are incapable of honest reporting by the fact that they or the organizations they report for are "liberal."

I prefer to think that liar and honest are more important labels. By honest, I mean at least trying to be fair. The folks at Google may well have liberal political views. This does not automatically lead to them taking down conservative voices because they disagree with them. I stand by my challenge to show me any example of a video that has been taken down for a reason other than the fact that it was a provable lie, hate speech or dangerous or all of those. If anyone can do that, I'll admit I'm wrong.

By the way I am no fan of Google. I don't trust them for other reasons. I only gave in and got a Google account last month so that I could create a YouTube channel. Their political leanings are the least of the concerns we should have with Google.

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Having to prove that the big techs or the press do not have a liberal/democrat bias seems a little having to prove that the sky is blue on a cloudless day, but i will keep an eye out for instances of it and post them up when I see them.

Question:

George Stephanopolous (sp) and Chuck Todd both are "journalists" with heralded "political news shows" on major networks.
Do you consider their reporting non-partisan and unbiased?

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George Stephanopolous is pro-democrat. Never a nice word about the republicans.

"Ask anyone who's voluntarily wearing a mask: 'How long are you going to keep wearing that thing?' They won't be able to answer you because their mind is no longer their own." from the Max Igan blog

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So Max Igan says what you want to hear, therefore he's right.

Why would he be against wearing a mask and saving your life

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You lost me again Fdemented - ha, ha. laugh

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"Ask anyone who's voluntarily wearing a mask: 'How long are you going to keep wearing that thing?' They won't be able to answer you because their mind is no longer their own." from the Max Igan blog

Well in nj I feel better about not wearing one because the science says were in much better shape, three months ago no.

The answer is once we have a treatment, a vaccine or its gone.

Not any more complicated than that.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio

"Ask anyone who's voluntarily wearing a mask: 'How long are you going to keep wearing that thing?' They won't be able to answer you because their mind is no longer their own." from the Max Igan blog

Well in nj I feel better about not wearing one because the back nice says hi is in much better shape, three months ago no.

The answer is once we have a treatment, a vaccine or its gone.

Not any more complicated than that.


So, you're basically planning on making it a permanent part of your wardrobe. Now Dr Fauci Frankenstein is suggesting goggles to go along with it. So, I reckon you’ll add that to your wardrobe as well. Here’s my new piece of clothing… Of course I'll wear a mask and goggles to go along with it.

[Linked Image]

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In New Jersey it's better, in florida you better wear one.

Not rocket science.we should have a treatment and a vaccine in 6 months, not a terrible thing to wear it for now

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio

"Ask anyone who's voluntarily wearing a mask: 'How long are you going to keep wearing that thing?' They won't be able to answer you because their mind is no longer their own." from the Max Igan blog

Well in nj I feel better about not wearing one because the back nice says hi is in much better shape, three months ago no.

The answer is once we have a treatment, a vaccine or its gone.

Not any more complicated than that.


So, you're basically planning on making it a permanent part of your wardrobe. Now Dr Fauci Frankenstein is suggesting goggles to go along with it. So, I reckon you’ll add that to your wardrobe as well. Here’s my new piece of clothing… Of course I'll wear a mask and goggles to go along with it.

[Linked Image]



I don't agree with the reasoning behind this post, but the pic is sensational.

Is that Norton?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
"Ask anyone who's voluntarily wearing a mask: 'How long are you going to keep wearing that thing?' They won't be able to answer you because their mind is no longer their own." from the Max Igan blog

Well in nj I feel better about not wearing one because the science says were in much better shape, three months ago no.

The answer is once we have a treatment, a vaccine or its gone.

Not any more complicated than that.


I worry about that Fd.
They say that the virus is similar to the "common cold."
We dont have a once-and-for-all- vaccine for the common cold.
They just tamp it down every year with an update.

I wonder if they can truly stop Covid-19.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Gavin

Having to prove that the big techs or the press do not have a liberal/democrat bias seems a little having to prove that the sky is blue on a cloudless day, but i will keep an eye out for instances of it and post them up when I see them.

Question:

George Stephanopolous (sp) and Chuck Todd both are "journalists" with heralded "political news shows" on major networks.
Do you consider their reporting non-partisan and unbiased?


I don't watch either of those two gentlemen, so I can't say. I would imagine they have biases that come across, sometimes strongly. I would also suspect that they don't indulge in outright lying. This kind of bias comes across more in phrasing, the questions they ask or don't ask, and in the topics they choose to emphasize.

Proving that the sky is blue is easy. You just point at the sky. All I am asking is that someone points at a video that was taken down by YouTube for reasons other than the ones I mentioned. If it's as easy as pointing at the sky then I'm going to look very stupid very soon smile I realize it's unfair to put someone on the spot demanding examples instantly - I can never come up with anything when someone puts me in the same position - so keeping an eye out for them as you suggest seems like a good, fair approach. Either or both of us might learn something smile

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Are using this to explain why you believe what you do...you are no longer able to discern the truth amongts all the BS???


Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Boy does this man understand Sheeples. Only a five minute video - but the sheeples won't/ can't see themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr1I6ztMsz0&feature=youtu.be

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I took a look and can come with examples but the particular sources could be telling the truth...or not. Like so many azzos, they make claims. I will continue to look for something that has some proof about it.

Blue sky metaphor doesnt work for you?
Does a bear sh tting in the woods? I know for sure that bears sh t until they die. I know for sure that they live in the woods. I don't have any pictures of bears sh tting in the woods but I don't personally need it proven to me. But, if you do, I will look for some pictures.

Questions for you?
Do the major tech giants of silicone valley and elsewhere support , contribute to, and vote for repub candidates? Your opinion?
Do you really assume that human beings with all that power and prestige stay right in the center of non-partisan lanes and never steer their companies to "tilt the playing field?"

If you do...The AZ border is only about 120 miles from the Sea of Cortez. The SofC is salt water and officially the ocean. I have some soon to be ocean front property in Southern AZ that I think you would love. With global warming coming on it is an investment that will pay off nicely. Call me and I will hook you up. Once your check clears I will give you the deed. And throw in a record label contract.


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Marty, yes but common cold has a pretty predictable course and is just a nuisance for most. flu has a vaccine, and tamiflu to cut it in half.

Covid has a few things in trial and which may work. Scientists are saying it's starting to morph which is not good.. But for me id be comfortable if we had a decent treatment.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Gavin

I took a look and can come with examples but the particular sources could be telling the truth...or not. Like so many azzos, they make claims. I will continue to look for something that has some proof about it.

Blue sky metaphor doesnt work for you?
Does a bear sh tting in the woods? I know for sure that bears sh t until they die. I know for sure that they live in the woods. I don't have any pictures of bears sh tting in the woods but I don't personally need it proven to me. But, if you do, I will look for some pictures.

Questions for you?
Do the major tech giants of silicone valley and elsewhere support , contribute to, and vote for repub candidates? Your opinion?
Do you really assume that human beings with all that power and prestige stay right in the center of non-partisan lanes and never steer their companies to "tilt the playing field?"

If you do...The AZ border is only about 120 miles from the Sea of Cortez. The SofC is salt water and officially the ocean. I have some soon to be ocean front property in Southern AZ that I think you would love. With global warming coming on it is an investment that will pay off nicely. Call me and I will hook you up. Once your check clears I will give you the deed. And throw in a record label contract.



I like the idea of you looking for pictures of bears taking a dump in the woods, so please continue your search LOL.

Tech companies give relatively little money to political parties and divide it pretty much evenly. In 2019, Google's PAC gave more money to Republicans than to Democrats, but it's generally pretty even.

https://www.protocol.com/tech-company-pacs-2019-2020

The report at the link above makes it clear that employees of these companies heavily favor Democrats in their individual contributions, so presumably also their votes. On a side note, it must be galling for them to see their employers contributing to the Republicans.

I don't assume anything. The bear sh*tting thing is not an assumption. It is a deduction. Bears have to cr*p. Bears live in the woods. Therefore bears sh*t in the woods. It's not quite as good as seeing it with your own eyes, but it's a solid deduction.

Tech companies have employees, the majority of whom favor one party over the other. Therefore, it's a pretty solid deduction that they will vote for that party. It's also probable that they will express opinions favorable to that party. It is a baseless assumption however that they are not capable of doing their jobs because of their political preferences. This is especially true as their jobs don't consist of expressing political views, but simply managing a platform on which others do so. That's why I keep coming back to my challenge related specifically to the removal of videos. That is an area in which YouTube or its employees could exercise political bias.

Incidentally, how big this difference in political preference between parties is is not clear. The figures in the report linked to above show a huge difference in donations per party, but it doesn't make clear how many employees donate. It is quite possible that the majority or at least a large number don't feel strongly either way. I agree that it's likely most lean toward the Democrats, though, based on the kind of person who gets hired by these companies.

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Will check out your facts and source regarding contributions. Thanks for putting them up.

But let me get this right...the employees are largely LIBERAL. The social media companies deal their products to the masses at large which are mostly liberal. Yet the owners of the companies are assumed to split the baby down the middle and dole out cash as well as votes evenly across parties.

And the owners and all of their employees "do the right thing" whenever they have the position to afford bias to their preferred politicos. In the form of access and exposure and search viability?

""It is a baseless assumption however that they are not capable of doing their jobs because of their political preferences""
That runs counter to most everything that has happened since homo sapiens started walking on two limbs.

You will be able to fish for Tarpon right off of your back porch and its a short drive to the Whole Foods Tucson for Groceries, where Bezos will also provide you with a copy of your unbiased WAPO. Don't miss this once in a lifetime offer.


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The masses round where I live sure ain't liberal, LOL.

It's a fact that the companies do dole out the cash even-handedly. Covering both cheeks of their ample behinds. It's also a fact that this does not apply to individual contributions by the employees.

I don't accept that people can't do their jobs because of their political beliefs. The situation with Google is more complicated, I'll admit, because of the dark art that is their search engine. However, I don't accept that googling Trump. for example. and finding a lot of negative stuff is in itself an indication of bias. Most aspects of the man and what he does are negative, so that should probably be reflected in a search, irrespective of bias. Given that conservative views on subjects like climate change, voter fraud and other topics consist mostly of a denial of facts, those who espouse them are likely to consider accurate information on such things as biased. For that reason, I think that bias in search results may exist but is hugely overblown.

There's one more thing to consider, and that's reverse bias. When a parent referees a soccer game and his kid is on one of the teams, he is more likely to be hard on that team, favoring the other team to avoid the appearance of bias. The same applies in tech. Consider how long it took YouTube and Facebook to ban Alex Jones and Infowars. Many conservatives might have a hard time conceiving of reverse bias, because they are probably immune, but it certainly exists.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
"Ask anyone who's voluntarily wearing a mask: 'How long are you going to keep wearing that thing?' They won't be able to answer you because their mind is no longer their own." from the Max Igan blog

Well in nj I feel better about not wearing one because the science says were in much better shape, three months ago no.

The answer is once we have a treatment, a vaccine or its gone.

Not any more complicated than that.


I worry about that Fd.
They say that the virus is similar to the "common cold."
We dont have a once-and-for-all- vaccine for the common cold.
They just tamp it down every year with an update.

I wonder if they can truly stop Covid-19.


They never came up with a vaccine for SARS or MERS or the common cold (all coronavirus), so I have my doubts. SARS and MERS "went away" before a vaccine was developed so pharma stopped working on it.
The big difference: covid-19 is hitting the US, so we might actually be successful. I am not saying the US is just better than everyone else -- we are just really good and we have a lot of money and an appetite for doing the impossible.


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Yes but sars wasn't as urgent as covid, the only question in my mind is will it be safe, you know they will push it through as fast as they can. Vaccines are relatively easy now that we know how to make them.

Personally I'd rather have a great treatment, then it's as needed basis, and vaccines don't stop all, only 50% of infections.

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I plan to look at your link when I have more time, but a disadvantage that I have when confirming my own biases is that I dont believe anyone. The Bushes broke me loose from the repub party and all of it's tentacles. On a scale of one to 10, I rank the republican party minus 5 and then dem party minus 50. So I vote repub if I vote. I do know that everything is political. Any fact can be bought. I am skeptical of any report.
Everyone in the politics business has their price and there is a lot of money spent to buy them. If you don't believe me then I guess Hillary Clinton was president, because she had it in the bag on election night according to anyone that mattered. That was a bias that did not confirm.

As far as all people (and employees at FB) being good and doing the right thing....sorry, that is fiction. So is the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. Get between your average person and something that they want but can never have without stealing...and prepare for disillusionment. Been a small businessman my whole life. Over and over I have witnessed what people do when they think that no one who matters is looking. Not pretty. But reality has it's own kind of beauty. Because it is what it is and we are lucky enough to be aware of it.

“Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will, and selfishness – all of them due to the offenders' ignorance of what is good or evil."

Not my quote. Nor is it a pawn shop owner in a rough part of Baltimore. It's one of the most extraordinary and clear minded people who ever lived and had an Olympus view of humanity.

The point...
Expecting the liberal employees at FB to do the right thing and give away an advantage that their tribe possesses is not reality. And ...IF.... their bosses do window dress the republican party with equal funds...that is not reality either. Dont forget that there are people who will tell you that Zuck has FB...because he stole it.

You are obviously a very decent person Gavin. Your posts and opinions. Connection to your daughter and her new place. All of it leads to that. And you are measuring the world through the lens of what "you would do."...not what someone else would do.

With regard,

Marty


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Just for fun I will make a prediction. Soon after the election is over, depending on who wins, the vaccine will suddenly appear, or the virus will disappear or won't be heard of again in the media. No denying there is a virus on the go and making a lot of people sick and some even dead, the same as happens every year with flues, we just don't hear about it every news broadcast. Democrats are desperate to regain power and this virus just happened to come along at a very opportune time to get rid of Trump. The BLM also came along to put the icing on the cake, how convenient. This election is not only important to the US, it is important to the free world. The US is the main stumbling block holding back the NWO from taking control of what ever is left of democratic countries in the world. Communism and socialism looks good from the outside looking in but from the inside looking out it is a different picture. If the US crumbles, the rest of the free world will be easy pickings for the evil that will take control. That is just my opinion of course and so far in a free world we are entitled to have one, but in the not so free world, that could get you jail time or worst.

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The BLM also came along to put the icing on the cake, how convenient.

Wasn't that convenient for George Floyd.

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If the pandemic were only in The U.S. Then I'd say it's possible it's a ploy to make Trump look worse. But there are countries who don't care one bit about Trump who are dealing with the same problem.

If you mean that the problem will just go away after the election, that the biased news coverage will stop, probably, but the disease is not political

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Herman Cane drank the tribe's purple kool aid in Tulsa and elsewhere. Now all he has to show for it is a corpse. Well before what should have been his time.

What does it take to prove up a threat?

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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I plan to look at your link when I have more time, but a disadvantage that I have when confirming my own biases is that I dont believe anyone. The Bushes broke me loose from the repub party and all of it's tentacles. On a scale of one to 10, I rank the republican party minus 5 and then dem party minus 50. So I vote repub if I vote. I do know that everything is political. Any fact can be bought. I am skeptical of any report.
Everyone in the politics business has their price and there is a lot of money spent to buy them. If you don't believe me then I guess Hillary Clinton was president, because she had it in the bag on election night according to anyone that mattered. That was a bias that did not confirm.

As far as all people (and employees at FB) being good and doing the right thing....sorry, that is fiction. So is the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. Get between your average person and something that they want but can never have without stealing...and prepare for disillusionment. Been a small businessman my whole life. Over and over I have witnessed what people do when they think that no one who matters is looking. Not pretty. But reality has it's own kind of beauty. Because it is what it is and we are lucky enough to be aware of it.

“Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will, and selfishness – all of them due to the offenders' ignorance of what is good or evil."

Not my quote. Nor is it a pawn shop owner in a rough part of Baltimore. It's one of the most extraordinary and clear minded people who ever lived and had an Olympus view of humanity.

The point...
Expecting the liberal employees at FB to do the right thing and give away an advantage that their tribe possesses is not reality. And ...IF.... their bosses do window dress the republican party with equal funds...that is not reality either. Dont forget that there are people who will tell you that Zuck has FB...because he stole it.

You are obviously a very decent person Gavin. Your posts and opinions. Connection to your daughter and her new place. All of it leads to that. And you are measuring the world through the lens of what "you would do."...not what someone else would do.

With regard,

Marty


That's a great quote, Marty. That guy knew what he was talking about. As his compatriot Ovid said in a different context, "vix sunt homines hoc nomine digni." I would just contend that it doesn't apply to all homines (and feminae) and not all the time. You'll also meet with kindness, consideration and loyalty.

But, yes, I agree, there's plenty of that other stuff about. I've been a small businessman for many years too and I've met plenty of it. I think a lot of it comes down to the level of motivation and this where many on the right in particular go wrong, in my opinion. For many of their pet theories about those of opposing political views to make sense, they have to convince themselves that these "opponents" are evil to the core and motivated by evil to instigate their evil schemes, evilly. Look at Everett's post above, for instance. It only makes sense in that context. These opponents become cartoonish facsimiles of real human beings - Clinton, Soros, now Bill Gates and even Fauci, etc..They belong to fictitious entities like the NWO out to do them harm. People ain't like that. They don't act out of pure evil. They do bad things because of what is in it for them and this is where the level of motivation comes in. Despite all the online rantings promoting a particular political party, the desire to do so is not a particularly strong motivation compared to greed, self-interest and self-preservation, especially when it comes to business.

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Trying to get some anti-sheeple balance on this thread: https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2020/08/miscellaneous-doctors-speak-out.html Unlike FB, Twitter, Google, etc., at least Just Plain Folks won't remove these videos. God help you if you dissagree with mainstream media.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Trying to get some anti-sheeple balance on this thread: https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2020/08/miscellaneous-doctors-speak-out.html Unlike FB, Twitter, Google, etc., at least Just Plain Folks won't remove these videos. God help you if you dissagree with mainstream media.

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Thank you for you perspective John, but this particular sheeple does not care to be herded to Jonestown to drink from a trough full of purple kool-aid...by a handful of quacks that Breitbart dug up and showcased. The incorrectness of the position is underscored by the reaching desperation of doing so.
May Herman Cain rest in peace.

What is happening to the economy is horrible and looks like an oncoming catastrophe. The health and standard of living ramifications of that are terrifying, but, at the least, I want to make certain that I and my wife are alive to face it.

Be careful as you move about.

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"What is happening to the economy is horrible and looks like an oncoming catastrophe" Sunrise-Sunset

Yes, worse than the virus. You think supplies are low at the hospitals now, just wait till the economy hits rock bottom.A different spin on the novel "One Second After" by William R. Forstchen. Great book by the way - and scary.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"What is happening to the economy is horrible and looks like an oncoming catastrophe" Sunrise-Sunset

Yes, worse than the virus. You think supplies are low at the hospitals now, just wait till the economy hits rock bottom.A different spin on the novel "One Second After" by William R. Forstchen. Great book by the way - and scary.

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Truth.

But you have to step out of the way of the first oncoming car to be in a position to avoid the next.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Trying to get some anti-sheeple balance on this thread: https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2020/08/miscellaneous-doctors-speak-out.html Unlike FB, Twitter, Google, etc., at least Just Plain Folks won't remove these videos. God help you if you dissagree with mainstream media.

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Sheeple (n): One who attaches more credibility to experts who have studied a subject and acts on their advice out of a desire for the greater good rather than ignore the science in favor of easily disprovable nonsense out of a belief that consideration for others equals giving up his rights.

Please stop using the word, John. It's insulting as well as ironic, since the folks you mean to describe with the term tend to be the exact opposite. They follow advice not because they are easily herded but because they have listened to what the sheepdog has to say, given it a lot of thought and made an educated decision that it makes a lot of sense.

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Sheeple - people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced. I think that term is appropriate Gavin. I know there's a movement to curtail freedom of speech, but I won't be silenced because it offends someone. Odd, where were you when I was being called a “denier”? Besides, I was using the term broadly, not directed at one specific person – unlike the usage of “denier”. So… “sheeple, sheeple, sheeple, seems to be the direction of the people”.

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