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#1166465 - 07/11/20 02:36 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
The drop in deaths looks good. Trump is touting it. And Medical people seem to be developing some effective therapies with steroids and so forth.
But there is concern.
My wife's friend, for instance, was hit hard by Covid and hospitalized. Trouble breathing, cough, oxygen, never required a ventilator. She was released to home and told by her doctor that her system had made the antibodies, BUT he said that they will fade after about 4 months.
Additionally she has been out of the hospital for two weeks and still feels "way off."
There may be a residual resident of some kind to the disease.

It looks like herd immunity is a fading hope.
A vaccine (that works) looks like the only thing that will return life to normal.

Sidenote: The Republicans were insistent on holding their state convention in Houston at this time. The mayor fortunately and correctly blocked it.
Yet it was this mayor and his police chief who were pandering to thousands of demonstrators crammed together in the streets a few weeks ago.
And then allowed a giant celebrity laden funeral event to take place in a city where you cant even accompany a spouse into an emergency room.

Sanity left the planet in 2020

In other news...I'm doing my frst song with BIAB. The software is a marvel and lots of fun. So...life is not all bad thanks to a songwriting hobby.


Vaccines become fools gold . This will come around every year like the flu changed so that the Vac will be useless, as most are. The only time I have EVER had the flu was shortly after I got my last Flu vaccine. Never again. I am not suggesting that Vacs are fake or bad. I AM suggesting they've become gigantic business and gigantic business is CORRUPT by nature. Each year they MUST increase profits no matter what. When it is health care, the motivations are too great to allow free market practices to rule the day. VACS should be non profit. Private companies can't be trusted with something so important


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#1166468 - 07/11/20 09:20 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I don't have any technical knowledge regarding vaccines. I know that the idea is to trigger the body to create immunities. I believe that vaccines were discovered serendipitously on the battlefield, during the American Civil War.

Regarding the Flu shots.
My wife does them every year and I dont. Years ago, I did some work for a plastic surgeon who said that she never gets flu shots. I think that the gist of her POV was that she doesnt want to be injected with disease every year. Sounded right (enough) to me. I don't like shots anyway. And the idea of getting them from some random med tech at a drugstore is an added layer of concern.

Yet, I have had some acquaintances get "shingles." They said that it was horribly painful and debilitating at times. My doctor told me that I should get the vaccine. I asked my usual questions about vaccines and he still suggested it. I thought about the pain and disruption that two people who I personally knew had suffered...and I got the vaccine. Am comfortable with that decision.

I don't know what the final verdict will be on vaccines and flu shots. But at this point, the Covid virus looks like it may be un-defeat-able without a vaccine. So when one comes out that is reasonably proven to be effective, I will likely take it in order to get my freedom back. Walking around with a mask on and feeling like an "extra" in a SciFy movie is mildly depressing to me.

#1166471 - 07/11/20 10:07 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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As Brian said in so many words, “powers-to-be can’t be trusted”. You’d think the Sheeples would have figured that out by now.

My morning amazing, gullible, Sheeple’s alert:

Coronavirus testing is a sham. Only created for the controllers to scare the sheeples in line. And it’s working. Numbers, fraudulent numbers, a scare tactic. Four-mile lines and hours of wait time to have a meaningless test, only to be used as a weapon against the Sheeples. The only legitimate time for being tested, is if you’re experiencing symptoms. Then you should go to your doctor and have him diagnose you and treat you if necessary, often it’s just allergies. So, you get the test, and it appears negative, now you can breathe a sigh of relief. Until the next day of worry. Yes, fraudulent numbers are destroying our lives and dividing us. Whether you like President Trump or not, he was correct in stating there’s too much testing. There, that felt good. Now the Sheeples can get back to worrying…

Take control of your life. Don't let the nasty, evil Beast control it.

Best, John smile

#1166472 - 07/11/20 10:15 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I probably had the flu a couple of times, in my 20's. Wasn't official dxed but the cough was so bad that my head felt like it got hit in the head with a bat when I coughed, and chills, then put a sweatshirt on and sweat like a pig.

I got the flu shot before one of them, simply because I was in the doctors office and he asked if I wanted it.

The flu does change but researchers are able to track the changes and predict what strain will be active next season, most of the time they are right, but the vaccine isn't 100% anyway. The idea is to make it a less dangerous disease.

With corona, it's not the flu, similar but not the flu, so it's more of a crap shoot.

Vaccines deliberately let your immune system know there is something there to go out and get, so it causes a reaction but supposedly less than a full blown case. So the choices are, a pretty bad flu, even though I may not have gotten it, or a really bad one with a chance of not getting it at all.

To me the biggest problem may be when we are in the flu season, and corona is still hanging around, or even in a second wave, that could overwhelm us again, maybe worse. We were lucky the flu was nearly gone when this started. Both at same time could be a major problem.







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#1166476 - 07/11/20 11:41 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Lol john, just saw your post. To say that testing causes corona virus, is the same as saying weighing people causes them to be overweight. Or taking people's blood pressure causes them to have high blood pressure. Or testing blood sugar causes people to have diabtetes

The only reason trump wants less testing is to conceal how many people have it.

I haven't been tested, didn't have any symptoms or any reason to, but the only thing not testing does is not tell us how many have it.

#1166478 - 07/11/20 12:52 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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John

You are so polite and thoughtful and cordial and rational until you get on the illuminati stuff....and then you go full-on tin-foil-hat.

Do I think that there are people out there with big connections and big resources playing everything they can for personal profits and personal gain?
Do I think that they are generally unconcerned with the "general welfare?"

Yes I do. Look at the stock market. The perverts have figured out a way of betting against (shorting) the American economy...for just one instance of infamy.
There is a case to made that this ilk gamed the destruction of Lehman in 2008 for the purpose of making a fortune betting on Lehman's destruction. Might have happened anyway but there is a trail of people throwing kerosene on the fire and then betting on the burn. Funny how the feds let Lehman go but pumped money-from-thin-air into so many others that were just as insolvent.

Yet I can see no reason to believe that this virus is some kind of farce that could be just as easily ignored.
I don't see how you do.

And the point that FD made about taking people weights...to my mind...is solid as a rock.
If Biden and Pelosi and Oman and Bernie and AOC and their world view are the only alternative, I will be voting for Trump in November.
But I know who Trump is. He's a bast..d who plays everything for himself. Including the testing issue. There are "useful idiots" as well as "useful bastards."

This advisory has been presented by the "John is baffling Society?" wink

#1166479 - 07/11/20 01:08 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I see the media is certainly doing their job. Got the sheeples brainwashed and under control.

So far, NO ONE has isolated THE COVID-19 VIRUS. All tests only test for what was originally in the exosome matter of a few 'infected' Chinese people which could, likely, include other RNA/corona-like matter, like colds and flu 'viruses'.

Carry-on with your nonsense. I'll follow my instincts and logic.

John smile

#1166480 - 07/11/20 01:09 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
I see the media is certainly doing their job. Got the sheeples brainwashed and under control.

So far, NO ONE has isolated THE COVID-19 VIRUS. All tests only test for what was originally in the exosome matter of a few 'infected' Chinese people which could, likely, include other RNA/corona-like matter, like colds and flu 'viruses'.

Carry-on with your nonsense. I'll follow my instincts and logic.

John smile




Believe whatever you want, but wear a mask and breathe softly and evenly when you are around people.

#1166482 - 07/11/20 02:32 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I guess the only "good news" about the rising infections/hospitalizations/death rates is that the death rate going forward might only be 1/4 or less than what is was in NYC/NJ. Why? It seems they are doing what they can to keep it out of nursing homes and elderly population where most of the deaths seemed to have occurred in the early days of all this. Of course if it keeps increasing it will sneak in somehow.

Plus, you have to assume that care is better now that when all this started.

While we have to give NY/Cuomo et al an "A" grade on getting their curve back down, they probably deserve an "F" on the upside where they made tons of mistakes. But they really didn't know much about the virus and the feds were no help at all. The people of NY deserve an "A" for their sacrifices to get out of that terrible situation they were in. Of course, it is going to creep back into NY from the rest of the country. No city / state is really in a bubble.

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People want to say that Trump did not get right with it soon enough?

If he had reacted real early and shut down the nation and no disease showed up (never was a real possibility) ...the same people criticizing him now would have signed petitions that he was a paranoid schizophrenic terrorfied of bats.

Cuomo, in retrospect, is accused of sending elderly to nursing homes where the disease slaughtered them. Which is where I would have sent them. One presumes that it is where the best trained people are who take care of the elderly. Not as it turns out.

No one alive was going to do this perfectly. Not Obama. Not nobody.

3 pandemics from now, the algorithms and computer models will be much more reliable because of lessons learned.

In the meantime leave bats and monkeys and something called pangolins alone.

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From my bro's comprehensive research: Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis who 'created' the PCR test for DNA in the 1990s, which is now used to test today for Covid-19, that Mullis had clearly stated should not be used to test for other things like 'viruses'.

John

#1166485 - 07/11/20 03:45 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Lol im with Marty, Johns a great guy but where he gets these ideas from I don't know. How there is anybody still denying this thing I don't know. I kind of understood when since its regional it didn't affect everyone at same time, but now it has affected everyone. Sure some use it for political gain, but others deflect it to avoid political hurt.

Death rate is starting to go back up again, like In f!orida

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...fter-rising-hospitalizations/ar-BB16ypAM

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#1166486 - 07/11/20 03:59 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Sunset Poet]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
People want to say that Trump did not get right with it soon enough? If he had reacted real early and shut down the nation and no disease showed up (never was a real possibility) ...the same people criticizing him now would have signed petitions that he was a paranoid schizophrenic terrorfied of bats.

Cuomo, in retrospect, is accused of sending elderly to nursing homes where the disease slaughtered them. Which is where I would have sent them. One presumes that it is where the best trained people are who take care of the elderly. Not as it turns out. ...


Good points Martin. If we had taken the steps in January/February and nothing happened then instead of praising the feds for their foresight, we would have screamed bloody murder! Human nature, I guess -- we have to see real pain and suffering before we sacrifice. The real problem is that we completely made this a left/right political battle instead of just dealing with the facts as best we could determine them to be.


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#1166487 - 07/11/20 04:05 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I agree Kevin it never should have been political issue , in fairness for many it wasnt. But if the pain of NY and NJ wasn't enough for the rest of the country to play ball, nothing will be.

I mean I recall seeing the images of spring breakers in florida, and I knowing what I knew here in March and April, I was befuddled.



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Brian, just saw your post buried in the rubble...

The 50% survival in ventilator has been pretty well-defined and standard, if you go on a vent, you're in a battle.

But here is one source.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-ventilators-some-doctors-try-reduce-use-new-york-death-rate-2020-4#:~:text=Experts%20have%20said%20that%20some%2040%25%20to%2050%25,issues%20die%20while%20on%20ventilators%2C%20the%20AP%20reported

Case in point my mother went to hospital twice in two years, first time vent, lived, second time vent, didnt. 50% and the pulmonary guy told me this much.

* I had a good stat article, now I can only find numbers related to corona. What I do know from people who have copd and other pulmonary problems, it's never good when you have to go on one, cause it means your lungs can't keep you alive by themselves. The corona vent numbers, every article shows a different rate.

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The Patronize Patrol is picking on this old fart. Shame, shame, shame – everyone knows your name! You guys should consider independent research, instead of repeating all the mainstream rants.

John smile

#1166491 - 07/11/20 05:17 PM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Haha John, the main point is how does believing alternative views help you?

What do you have to gain by pooh poohing the whole thing?

Hysteria and worry doesn't help I understand, but how does not believing it help?

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"It turns out the seasonal cold we all got as a kids was really the Corona virus all along, but they just never tested us."

Truth - there's only one. Alternative views? There's no compromise between life & death.

John

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Okay, I'm leaving again. I'm up against a brainwashed mob.

John

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John is on the right path. There is more to this than meets the eye, this is just the first step in a plan that is slowly coming into focus. When or if they get a vaccine, everyone will be required to take it, if not, much of your freedom as you know it now will be taken away. The new normal that politicians are talking about are being slowly accepted by most of the population and if we stray from the new restrictions, we are punished, even frowned upon by our friends and neighbours, to the point that they will report us to the authorities. What does this sound like? Our new normal is the old normal in a number of countries around the world. It's all about control, and control has to be introduced slowly or else it won't be accepted. Fear is a great tool for control, so is pain, so is death.

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I doubt that people will be required to take a vaccine in the US. No way the law backs that up.
IF...the govt tried to make it mandatory...that would be a new day in a brave new world.

In Canada, I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
John is on the right path. There is more to this than meets the eye, this is just the first step in a plan that is slowly coming into focus. When or if they get a vaccine, everyone will be required to take it, if not, much of your freedom as you know it now will be taken away. The new normal that politicians are talking about are being slowly accepted by most of the population and if we stray from the new restrictions, we are punished, even frowned upon by our friends and neighbours, to the point that they will report us to the authorities. What does this sound like? Our new normal is the old normal in a number of countries around the world. It's all about control, and control has to be introduced slowly or else it won't be accepted. Fear is a great tool for control, so is pain, so is death.


You're exactly right Everett! It’s difficult for me to believe that so many are buying into this. Our freedom of speech will soon come to an end.

YouTube has now stated that it completely disallows any alternative medical news, research, theories or therapies that don't conform with CDC and WHO accepted guidelines, procedures and methods, etc. on its site. Trying to quell the informed dissenters.

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YouTube offers a service to the public (for free largely) but it is not a "public service" or a government entity and does not have to guarantee freedom of speech on their platform. .
They have gained massive reach which makes them seem governmental but they aren't. It is a business entity which can elect to put up or screen whatever they want...within legal limits.

If the actual government starts telling YouTube that they are compelled to allow misc, random and unproven "crank" theories to be presented free to the public...that would be much more of an Orwellian state than leaving them alone to put up whatever they decide.

In reality the FCC leaves no one completely alone, but presumably operates within the bounds of the constitution. Most days? Some days?

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Yes, that’s their justification and their ran Martin. Internet property rights is a quandary. Needs to be addressed. In the brick & mortar world, there are laws pertaining to monopolies. The bottom-line is these mammoth websites are gaining too much brainwashing power.

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Okay, I'm leaving again. I'm up against a brainwashed mob. John


I feel for you John. I belong to a gold stock forum where 98% of the commenters are on your side and they beat me up all the time for being a sheeple (ha, ha).

The Role of Cognitive Dissonance in the Pandemic.
The bottom line: The more you have invested in your beliefs, the harder it is to change (both sides). Yes it is written from someone who believes that the pandemic is real and masks/physical distancing help.





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The people can't even accept a temporary normal, let alone a new one. It was and is people who refused to social distance or make any sacrfice to slow this tbing, and complainers, and people calling for gov to resign.

Yet, they complain when hospitals are full.

So don't worry, nobody will be forced to get a vaccine, health care workers probably will be to work in hospitals which would be an employer choice.

I don't know what you guys are looking at, but it's mostly personal choices that have left us where we are. No leader could stop an entire nation from doing what they want to for a long period of time. And our own leader doesn't even want to do it himself!

a great treatment for Covid will probably relax this thing more than a vaccine will. No one will bother with vaccine if a treatment can cure it anyway.

Here's an idea....keep or sweep. Wear a mask in public,avoid big crowds and wash your hands. Is that so difficult? Can you do it for a few more months even?

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Yes, that’s their justification and their ran Martin. Internet property rights is a quandary. Needs to be addressed. In the brick & mortar world, there are laws pertaining to monopolies. The bottom-line is these mammoth websites are gaining too much brainwashing power.

John


Benjamin Franklin: “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

That can be interpreted and in support of many different perspectives. But viewed from a different direction...make sure that the cure is not worse than the disease.

I've no argument at all about the over-reach of the tech elites. They are globalists whose primary goal is the freedom of their movement across the planet and the minimal restraints on their profits and influence....and the spread of their vision for what civilization should be. e.g. Bill Gates and wife.

But how "the State" fixes that over-reach is also a concern due to the unintended consequences of the fix.

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"I've no argument at all about the over-reach of the tech elites. They are globalists whose primary goal is the freedom of their movement across the planet and the minimal restraints on their profits and influence....and the spread of their vision for what civilization should be. e.g. Bill Gates and wife Martin

Agree 100% Martin. This is new ground pertaining to property rights. I'm still a registered Libertarian, though I have some disagreements pertaining to property rights.. Should a handful of people be allowed to own the Internet for their personal quests?

John

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But what about the rights of youtube? Shouldn't they have controll over something they created and own? Why should people tell YouTube how YouTube can be used?

The entire internet is a bit different, although somebody created the internet too.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
But what about the rights of youtube? Shouldn't they have controll over something they created and own? Why should people tell YouTube how YouTube can be used?

The entire internet is a bit different, although somebody created the internet too.


Then again, should something as powerful as the Internet be privately owned. If I invented and paid for the ultimate nuclear bomb, should I be told what I can and can't do with it. The Internet is just as dangerous.

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There's very few game changers in tech, so it's hard to relate. But if I was Bill Gates, I would think I'd have the same rights to do what I want to do with my creation, as a songwriter has for his creation.it's just Gates has a much bigger
Vision, and he has a right to think big.

I do see your point, a company that makes a fancy new gun, can't let people use it as they see fit. I'm just saying a game changing entrepreneur still should be in control of their product.

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Bill Gates is an evil man. He wants to own and control the World. Yeah, a game-changer - changing the name "Earth" to Bill Gate's World. Dangerous man!

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I am astounded this is still a contentious issue

The US LEADS the world in Covid cases.... in sheer case numbers and in deaths.

While those in power and the elites and the population at large are bickering and trading blame, it is simply getting worse.

It has been turned into a political fight while it should always have been first and foremost a medical one.

It is also a fight to get the right information into the hands of people. John LS, love ya lots man but your ideas on this are nuts. You say you are a card carrying libertarian, so that tells me a lot, but even libertarians should be able to see that the freedom of choice they hold sacred has to be examined with Covid in mind. You are searching desperately for reasons NOT to act responsibly, reasons you can disbelieve what is before your eyes....and that you are reaching for conspiracy theories to prove your points baffles me

Believe what you want, but wear a face mask, socially distance, wash hands often, look after OTHERS and look after yourself. Be a RESPONSIBLE citizen. Don't look at this as a restraint on your rights. Look on it as a civil responsibility, a patriotic duty.

I have to think that Couch has changed his tune now that AZ has been smacked...but dunno. He's not been around as far as I can see






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And if I posted that remark on Facebook, it would be removed.

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The genesis of these policies is to combat the disinformation spread by those with agendas other than combating this virus.


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
"I've no argument at all about the over-reach of the tech elites. They are globalists whose primary goal is the freedom of their movement across the planet and the minimal restraints on their profits and influence....and the spread of their vision for what civilization should be. e.g. Bill Gates and wife Martin

Agree 100% Martin. This is new ground pertaining to property rights. I'm still a registered Libertarian, though I have some disagreements pertaining to property rights.. Should a handful of people be allowed to own the Internet for their personal quests?

John


If I understand you...the Libertarian POV is that an individual should be able to do or own whatever they are able and no one should be able to tell them what they can do with it? But... you don't fall completely in-line with that but think that there should be some limitations on the breath and reach of a single individual...yet libertarianism is obsessed with the rights of the individual? Is it not?

Also...the devil is in the details...
If you were to make monopoly of media (or anything else) a libertarian "exception" ("to provide for the general welfare")...would you not be fearful of the unintended consequences of that restraint?

What would such a law look like?
Would you still be a Libertarian?

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Still a game game changer.

It's easy to sit back and downplay the geniuses who invented .....microsoft,amazon, youtube, apple, but the world would not be where it is today without them.

We take for granted cause we don't see them when we use our computers, or upload and or download mp3s, and do home recordings, and write resumes and search for jobs, or soft through news.

But somebody made it all possible, then the fcc tells them what to do with it

Evil maybe, but he's still a creator who happened to hit mega big. Beyond our comprenhension. When he started, I'm sure he had alot of obstacles to overcome and nobody cares about that

Many think Trump is an evil man too.


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Still a game game changer.

It's easy to sit back and downplay the geniuses who invented .....microsoft,amazon, youtube, apple, but the world would not be where it is today without them.

We take for granted cause we don't see them when we use our computers, or upload and or download mp3s, and do home recordings, and write resumes and search for jobs, or soft through news.

But somebody made it all possible, then the acc tells them what to do with it

Evil maybe, but he's still a creator who happened to hit mega big. Beyond our comprenhensiin. When he started, I'm sure he had alot of obstacles to overcome and nobody cares about that

Many think Trump is an evil man too.



My life, both personal and professional is Google. (Alphabet) My life is....

Google Mail
Google Drive
Google Sheets
Google Docs
Google Calender
Google Maps
Google Slides
YouTube
YouTubeTV

Wth the exception of YouTube TV....ALL ARE FREE

And any other apps usually interface with Google, such as Trello.

I think Google is magnificent and deeply appreciate and feel gratitude for the intelligence that created it....BUT...I don't think that intelligence and the money and influence that accompanies it, entitles them to decide what civilization (and my life) should look like.



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They already did and do.

you wouldn't be typing this without them, life is now fundamentally different because of a few pioneering mavericks.

I don't think my point was that they should run the world, but rather they created game changing tech that the fcc shouldn't be able to tell them how they can use their own product.

I don't think elon musk should be able to tell me who to marry or where I should work, or what type of music I should listen to (radio does that job)

And I'm not in disagreement that they shouldn't run civilization, but their technology HAS done that, kids today have no idea of a life before Microsoft or the internet or cell phones and social media..

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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
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"I've no argument at all about the over-reach of the tech elites. They are globalists whose primary goal is the freedom of their movement across the planet and the minimal restraints on their profits and influence....and the spread of their vision for what civilization should be. e.g. Bill Gates and wife Martin

Agree 100% Martin. This is new ground pertaining to property rights. I'm still a registered Libertarian, though I have some disagreements pertaining to property rights.. Should a handful of people be allowed to own the Internet for their personal quests?

John


If I understand you...the Libertarian POV is that an individual should be able to do or own whatever they are able and no one should be able to tell them what they can do with it? But... you don't fall completely in-line with that but think that there should be some limitations on the breath and reach of a single individual...yet libertarianism is obsessed with the rights of the individual? Is it not?

Also...the devil is in the details...
If you were to make monopoly of media (or anything else) a libertarian "exception" ("to provide for the general welfare")...would you not be fearful of the unintended consequences of that restraint?

What would such a law look like?
Would you still be a Libertarian?


I'm not a pure Libertarian any longer Martin. I have some problems with their philosophy. But the Dems & Reps are even further away from where I am. I'm basically anti-political.

John

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Yes. Fd

They have the infrastructure, resources and influence...in place...that create civilization.

But the last few years, there is a movement across the western world offering resistance to the imposition of their personal globalist philosophies on our personal lives.

Notwithstanding all of Trump's warts and insanity...he is the only force in this country that has disrupted their grip on things.

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In fairness to John S, I was just talking to somebody I haven't spoke to in a while, and he thinks the whole thing is a hoax. It's one thing when somebody types it in a forum, it seems like somebody is just reading to much, but to talk to somebody on the phone, it's diffetent.

I didn't fight too much, cause I don't want rumblings trickling down from others, but it ASTOUNDS me that some people still think this is political hoax, it's like huh? Maybe 4 months ago I might have considered it.

But it seems some don't want it to be true. John is not alone in his disbelief.

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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
... Notwithstanding all of Trump's warts and insanity...he is the only force in this country that has disrupted their grip on things.


Not interested in a trump bashing session, but how did you come to that conclusion? Social media is more omnipresent today (for better or worse) than 4 years ago.


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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
... Notwithstanding all of Trump's warts and insanity...he is the only force in this country that has disrupted their grip on things.


Not interested in a trump bashing session, but how did you come to that conclusion? Social media is more omnipresent today (for better or worse) than 4 years ago.


"disrupted their grip on things"

I didn't say that he had beat them back or stopped them or reversed them. Fact is, he uses Twitter effectively to fight his enemies and maintain the resolve of his base. . Prior to Trump there was nothing in the way of the globalists and their various agendas regarding immigration, International Trade (China) or allowing "allies" to bleed us dry...and in particular, having a sense of American nationalism. You could wave the flag and talk in cliche platitudes sparingly on the 4th of July and express support for soldiers, but you werent really allowed to believe in America as a sovereign nation with borders. And you were not even suppose to actually like America and it's evil past. Nationalistic expressions and pride had become fascism. Evil thoughts in the minds of barbaric and uncultivated people.

Then Trump came down the escalator.
Britain voted Brexit.
etc

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Well, I can't say that I agree with your interpretation, but I believe you think things out very well for yourself. If we'd all have to agree all the time, it means we'd be living in a totalitarian society!


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"But it seems some don't want it to be true. John is not alone in his disbelief."

Covid 19 is a factually established particularly virulent respiratory virus...full F^*&^ing stop

Worldwide scientists and researchers and other smart people (including many wealthy people like Bill Gates) are working on first stopping its spread, mitigating its effects on people, and on finding a cure

Covid is a fact that will "meet up" with an indivual through some circumstance, time and place. In essense it's "reality" meeting up with you. It may not be the virus itself, it could be a repercussion of its existence...like living through what should we be doing about it?

Maybe John will not get the virus which is great. Maybe it is somehow transmitted to him in which case God speed to a recovery

In the mean time the fact of Covid has not met up with John and he can speculate all he wants to. It actually means nothing to Covid.

As for the hoaxers and denyers, for whatever reason, they can not or don't want to deal with Covid the fact, the reality.

But like the truth to Mulder & Scully, Covid is out there


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I’m not the least worried about getting the flu John. Or dying. In case you haven’t heard, we’re all plaque by a terminal condition. None of us are going to get out of this alive. My childhood hero, Alfred E. Neuman, said it best …

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Well, I can't say that I agree with your interpretation, but I believe you think things out very well for yourself. If we'd all have to agree all the time, it means we'd be living in a totalitarian society!


I don't think that people in totalitarian societies agree all the time. They're just afraid to say otherwise. You're so right about about how fortunate we are to live in this country. Have a very good evening Kevin.

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Most of the deniers are republican. They believed from day one that it was a hoax to get rid of trump, and haven't let that idea go. How I think it's more a matter of not wanting to look foo!ish, so keep denying it.

I k ow it's established, but political lines have been drawn

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Most of the deniers are republican. They believed from day one that it was a hoax to get rid of trump, and haven't let that idea go. How I think it's more a matter of not wanting to look foo!ish, so keep denying it.

I k ow it's established, but political lines have been drawn


I agree with that. Most of the hoaxers are repubs. But the people who will not wear a friggin' mask cut across all political persuasions.
I see likely dems out the kazoo not wearing masks. I suppose they reserve the right to blame Trump for all of it, even though they dont.

2020 is the strangest year that I have ever lived through...without a close second.

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