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#1165668 - 06/21/20 08:42 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Maybe you should start smoking dope then.

You didn't even read I said the 103 did NOT die, why not?

Why some people die, and some dont, its not known, it's random .

So, let me get this straight.... 120k people are dead from corona.

But if a new 4 k people test positive AnD only 3 die that means that things are ok?

The next 4 k will kill the same amount? Or will it kill more next week?


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Morning, Guys and Gals: (I hope the "Thought Police" don't accuse me of being Racist/Sexist, etc.?)

I looked at the Covid Stats again this morning. The element of testing makes me wonder how "warped" the table of statistics really may be? The U.S. has clearly done more testing than any other country and that seems to imply a possible result of such a large number of cases. (...and we have only tested less than 25% of our entire population.)

Another alarming statistic is the number of deaths in the UK. They are number 4 on the list in that statistic if my memory is correct. I tried to print out the entire table but the website would only let me print the big number stats on the first two pages... and not the "table/spreadsheet" itself. I wanted to be able to look at the whole thing and attempt to apply some degree of logical analysis. Additionally, I saw no information in the table depicting the entire population of each nation... or if the nation or region was enduring a state of war or other unusual influence on the population during this Pandemic.

We learned in "Critical Thinking" (which I found to be a total waste of time) that statistics can be used to present nearly any argument... and bent this way or that depending on the viewpoint of the "surveyor/presenter."

China had moved up several notches in the list to spot number 21 but there were no test numbers listed.

Then I thought about where I might find statistics on symptoms of those hospitalized, treatment methods performed, treatments which reduced or eliminated symptoms... or even better, caused recovery/discharge.

We clearly (as the general public) don't know enough about this "thing"... other than complete isolation, social distancing and wearing a mask in the presence of others, especially those away from our homes... are the best way to survive... we believe! Then there are those nations who have attempted to achieve "herd immunity." Some with apparent success!

So what is the best approach? I wish I had words of comfort... but most of us will probably be gone from natural causes, highway accidents, or murder by ANTIFA for crossing into the CHAZ district in Seattle... LOL!... before we have the final answer/cure or prevention of the "Wuhan Virus."

Be safe, be smart, keep writing and recording those songs... or writing down those creative ideas you need to explore for the next one. We've got to keep our minds out of panic mode... as the majority of the media would love to keep us trapped. Even Fox News appears to be wobbling on "fair and balanced."

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#1165673 - 06/21/20 09:22 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Maybe you should start smoking dope then.

You didn't even read I said the 103 did NOT die, why not?

Why some people die, and some dont, its not known, it's random .

So, let me get this straight.... 120k people are dead from corona.

But if a new 4 k people test positive AnD only 3 die that means that things are ok?

The next 4 k will kill the same amount? Or will it kill more next week?



I did read that incorrectly. But it makes no difference.

We'll see if testing and contact tracing ever actually yields a usable result. I doubt that they will. IMO, In both cases, the task is a moving target and much too big to really get your head around. Whereas hospitalizations, ICU admittals and deaths give you something certain to build plans around.

Pot is not for me.

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Over the years of my life, I have broken 9 of the 10 Commandments, so I am obviously not a saint…Duh! But the ONE Commandment that I will never break is number 6: Thou shalt not kill.
I will gladly leave my bucket list of breaking all of the 10 Commandments incomplete…9 out of 10 ain’t bad!.....And THAT is why I wear a mask… - Bob


You're killing me now Bob. laugh No worry Bob, the flu hasn't killed you in all these years. You're safe.

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One undeniable fact...

If nobody has corona virus, nobody can die from it.

Containing the spread and keeping hospitals from overflowing are still the only controllable factors we have to work with.

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Latest stats from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The high death period was when the hospitals from New York and New Jersey were being over swamped. Other than that, I don't have a reasonable explanation for the trends going in opposite directions.

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Yeah, but they say a person goes on a ventilator for covid they only have a 50% chance of recovering, and from older case in pneumonia and copd like my mother died from, it's not even as high as 50%, it's very bad news having to go on a ventilator.

So beyond using a ventilator I'm not sure what else they do to stop people from.dying. They can certainly help with symptoms

But I agree shutting down the economy and having social distancing was all about keeping hospital visits down. Less contact with others, less spread, less visits to hospitals.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
One undeniable fact...

If nobody has corona virus, nobody can die from it.

Containing the spread and keeping hospitals from overflowing are still the only controllable factors we have to work with.


Okay then. We are in agreement.
And how do you ascertain that?
When the death rate drops to zero and stays there.

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I think that much easier availability of testing to symptomatic people and that testing leads to quicker admissions.
When those people are admitted, things are done to support their immune systems.

Disclaimer: Don't really know, but that seemed to be what happened in my wife's friends case. And I personally was worried that allergy symptoms might be covid a few weeks ago. I called the doc and was tested almost immediately.

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From a friend on masks... - I know you'll only believe what you want to believe. But, I'm posting it anyway.

Copied from an OSHA certified friend:
I am OSHA 10&30 certified. I don’t really know why OSHA hasn’t come forward and stopped the nonsense BUT…
I want to cover 3 things
• N95 masks and masks with exhale ports
• surgical masks
• filter or cloth masks
Okay so upon further inspection OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations.
If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick you can be sued.
• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Stewart’s and the guy with Covid has N95 mask his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Stewart’s (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out)
• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGG these masks very Very quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask with render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it You become a walking virus dispenser. Every time you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment”
Cloth masks: today three people pointed to their masks as they walked by me entering Lowe’s. They said “ya got to wear your mask BRO” I said very clearly “those masks don’t work bro; in fact, they MAKE you sicker” the “pshh’d” me.
By now hopefully you all know CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut-up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks health. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden overnight. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.
Ultimate Answer: N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.
The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. Its filtration works on the exhale. (Like a vacuum bag it only works one way)
Cloth masks are WORSE than none.
The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work.
*Occupational Safety & Health Administration sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.
If your mask gives you security wear it, just know it is a false sense of security.
If stores stopped enforcing it no one would continue this nonsense.
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If work requires you to wear a mask, OSHA requires that your employer verifies you are receiving the minimum of 19.5% oxygen level by law! Are your oxygen levels being monitored while at work? Are you experiencing dizziness and headaches? This is a written law NOT a recommendation! I guarantee if employees started citing law and demanding their employers follow the law then the masks would go away!

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Those are the micro arguments that the hoax crowd puts out to declare the whole thing ludicrous.

The bigger picture is airflow, travel and degeneration.

If you have covid and blast out the biggest cough that you can...you are maximizing the contaminated particles that you spew into the air.
If you talk loudly there are fewer.
If you talk softly, still fewer.
If you don't talk, fewer than that.
If there is no air flow where you are, the particles will hang in the air.
If you are outside and the wind is blowing, the sun is presumed to degenerate the particles and the wind will degenerate the particles like cigarette smoke.

If you are in a room where there is no air movement, with no mask where someone coughs 3 feet away...

and you inhale deeply you will maximize your exposure because of the particles in the air and the unimpeded air flow to your lungs.
a mask will impede the air flow through and around the perimeter of the mask
a good tight mask will impede it more.
a good tight mask, which you are breathing softly and measured underneath will impede the air flow more still.

The virus is real. The object is to keep contaminated particles from entering your lungs and body.
Anything that impedes them is something that impedes them.

The micro arguments put out by the hoax crowd are missing the forest because the trees block the view.









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I disagree Martin. But I'll fight to my death defending your right to an opinion. Masks don't protect you, they just make you feel protected.
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Thanks for posting those graphs, Kevin:

I suppose the only reason for the apparent opposite directions is the "lag time" from the initial contact with the virus until the arrival of the "grim reaper" a few days... or more... later.

John and Marty:

Two interesting "arguments" and by my very nature... I hesitate to "take sides"... but "back in the day"... when I was growing up, my Mom would always tell me to cover my nose and mouth when I sneezed. She further explained... if you can't get your handkerchief out fast enough... use both hands. It supposedly kept germs from passing via the sneeze to anyone close at hand. That would lead me to believe Martin's case comes closer to falling on the side of safety than the OSHA standards for masks. Having the mental capacity of a flea in a hailstorm, I could be wrong!

Be safe, stay happy... and occupy your spare time with creative thoughts.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
I disagree Martin. But I'll fight to my death defending your right to an opinion. Masks don't protect you, they just make you feel protected.
John smile


Anything that impedes a stream of air that might take the virus particles from the atmosphere around you and into your lungs...serves to offer you some degree of protection. Both to you and to others.

There is an obviousness to that which seems pointless to try to deny.

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Yes, it is true that masks don't protect you from infection. They protect others from you. At least that is the theory. ... and yes I do see those n95 masks with one way valves that completely defeat the purpose of you wearing a mask.
Flu masks and surgical mask don't hold up thier effectiveness for long, but they still tamp down large dispersals of virus particles.

I have to admit, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the following chart, but here it is anyway. Tons of variables: closed room or outdoors, proximity, time in contact, etc......................

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Yes, you already said that Martin. And we could live in a plastic bubble.

Sorry for the sarcasm. I’m just tired of all the crap. And that’s what it is.

John

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Yes, you already said that Martin. And we could live in a plastic bubble.

Sorry for the sarcasm. I’m just tired of all the crap. And that’s what it is.

John


My wife just tried to call her 65 year old friend in the hospital with covid.
My wife was told that she was "not in good shape right now."

She was a hoaxer also John.
She went to a family birthday party at a popular restaurant on the 8th. Within a week, she was one of 4 birthday party attendees tested positive.
Her 72 year old husband is positive but doing fine at home.
She's the oldest of the party attendees at 65. The disease is a beast for her.
I probably wont pass on your "tired of all the crap."

The restaurant is closed for "deep cleaning" because staff was found to have the disease.

Consider this...A female kitchen worker barely making it with 2 or 3 kids and an out of work or absentee father... wakes up one morning and has a fever and cough.
What is the probability that she says to herself..."I can't go into work until I am tested because I might have covid, it would be immoral to infect unsuspecting others?"

Your denials are cult-ish.

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Sorry about your wife's friend Martin. But, the flu attacks tens of thousands every year. Regardless if they’re wearing a mask or not. The only thing different this year is the media and political hype. And that’s what distorted the blown-out-of-proportion numbers from the previous years. So, I'm still tired of this crap.

I'll be getting a colonoscopy this week. So, on Wednesday I'll be tested for COVID 19. If I'm positive, you can have the last laugh. Though, I'm sure there are many false positives.

The Media, politicians, controllers can't be trusted.

John

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I don't want the last laugh.

I hope that your colonoscopy and covid test reveal good results.

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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
I don't want the last laugh.

I hope that your colonoscopy and covid test reveal good results.


Thanks Martin! A challenging week. I have a dentist appointment tomorrow morning. Just the six-month cleaning. Only one person at a time is allowed in the office. They’re keeping the door locked until they see my mug in the window..

John smile

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It's got nothing to do at all with COVID John LS. The dentist just thinks you're ugly smile


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
It's got nothing to do at all with COVID John LS. The dentist just thinks you're ugly smile



Well, I'm going to have a few words with her tomorrow John. laugh

John smile

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Well at least John's consistent .

#1165735 - 06/22/20 07:09 AM Re: Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Stop giving him credit for being consistent... LOL, FD:

He's a composer and they are finicky old codgers. Let me revise that... in his case, a talented, finicky old codger! Getting ready to have several medical and dental procedures can make anybody edgy... even John!

I hope all goes well for him. ----Dave

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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Stop giving him credit for being consistent... LOL, FD:

He's a composer and they are finicky old codgers. Let me revise that... in his case, a talented, finicky old codger! Getting ready to have several medical and dental procedures can make anybody edgy... even John!

I hope all goes well for him. ----Dave


Ha, ha. Old codger - my wife, Sandra, calls me "old fart". Dental procedure over. Now COVID19 testing on Wednesday and colonoscopy on Friday.

Then I'll try not to ne so crabby after that.

Best, John smile

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Can't wait for you to converse on a post colonoscopy basis John.

And is it exploratory in your case?

Looking for the cause of your "Old Fartitis"?

I say embrace the label and live it proudly. Some time ago I was out for a nice drive when some idiot in a blue audi A4 wagon pulled an agressive move. Now I drive no slouch, an Acura RL, but the Audi is just nimble and fast and the driver just had to show me. After my not quite tirade but more than an outburst, I decided I should simply own the term curmudgeon. I am old enough and have had ample experience curmudgening around in the last few years. Not only when Audi A4 drivers do stupid things

Funny thing is that after I came home and proclaimed my curmudgeonship, no one has called me one since.

And when I claim I am being a curmudgeon, I now get arguments when my family decides I am worse or not quite there....and definitely when I try to use it as a excuse for my behaviour...so pretty well every time I try to make my claim of state.

But defending yourself, and being able to say "what do you expect? I am an old fart" is empowering, so I say live it proudly. Believe you are the Alpha and Omega of Old Fartship, and no one will be able to take it away from you.


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"Alpha and Omega of Old Fartship" - wow, now I'll be proud to show the World this John.

Best, John smile

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Now if you really really want to take ownership John, you'd go to a trophy store near you, or go on line, and design and award yourself a trophy by that name.

The "Alpha and Omega of Old Fartship" Award.

Make sure to date it all official like.

I expect you'd place it on your mantlepiece (or wherever your other music stuff is) and can do so only a few days from now if you order today...

Two hands holding an orb would be cool symbolism. With this inscription on the base

John Lawrence Schick
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Alpha and Omega of Old Fartship

Henceforth this award will also provide clever and most other wits with an opening to address you as "Your Old Fartship" . You may also officially sign birthday and holiday cards and even business letters by writing "You Faithful Fartship" insert name here

Its got a lot going for it John.

Don't know why you're wasting your time by reading this when you could be searching on line for a trophy of two hands holding a globe


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Sounds good John! laugh

Bummer... moved my COVID testing up to tomorrow morning. Which means I'll have to self quarantine for 3 days instead of two.mad

John smile

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Dang... and we were looking forward to a complete description of how things went! LOL! B-T-W... that trophy already has the place of honor on my mantlepiece.

Curmudgeon indeed! What this country needs is a good liar's contest!

Spend that quarantine time wisely, John of Punxatawny and write us a real symphony. "Aire on a Whoopie Cushion" would be nice!

----Dave a.k.a. "Windy McGillicuddy"

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Yeah Dave, I was kind of thinking that you should be "King of the Fartship". John was giving me too much credit.

On another note... There's always a bright side. If I test positive for COVID19, I'll be able to skip my colonoscopy this week (without my doctor giving me a lecture).

John smile

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Just had the COVID19 test. Don't know what all the hype's about. It wasn't bad at all.
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You look thinner in your avatar.

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Morning, John:

Marty is correct... you do look thinner on your "avatar!" Makes me wanna rush right out and have both procedures. LOL! Maybe we could open up one of those websites where folks order CDs from us to cause them to visit the local Vomitorium and lose weight. Naturally, for a considerable fee! Money in the bank to help us pay for our expensive hobby!

I'm dreading that drive to Ft. Worth this afternoon but getting all these questions answered might keep me from scheduling a trip to the local Veterenarian and have him just go ahead and "put me down." I would not be a good prisoner of war... pain turns me into an absolute cry-baby and I'd give away all those secrets I know.

Keep up the good work, guys... we're gonna get through all this stuff eventually. Frankly I'm more worried about those dirty "Commie" statue destroyers than the Wuhan Virus.

----Dave the decrepit old geezer

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Well Dave since you also claim kinship and kingship, you and JLS can enter into a fartnership and share the distinction.

Suggest you have this fartnership agreement drafted by a real lawyer if you're gonna make it complicated like who gets custody of those two hands holding a globe

What you can also do Dave is start a club. You can have a whole ranking as you move through; starting as a Grumble Grouch you then become a Grump before moving on through Codger and Curmudgeon to Old Fart...which comes in junior and senior grade and emeritus status for those long enough in the tooth. The trick is to monetize it like scientology. You only move up in distinction by paying for it, and more for it as you move up in status. You will of course start as an emiritus and pay nothing, one of the perks of that status. You can choose how JLS fits in, but I suggest you be gracious and offer up emeritus status to him as well







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Perks? John:

I love perks. I like your train of thought on this inspiring subject/topic! John L. would be "King" and I would serve gladly as his Subaltern. LOL! Gotta give you credit for originality, my friend. Let's not talk about "long in the tooth" because I fit that category so well. Have a great day and keep that mask in your back pocket (or other handy place) so when you enter the public places... they will be protected.

In our case... I wonder if anyone has come up with a decent design for an Arse Mask? To protect those around us from stray winds?

Later, ----Dave

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A Dave, now you are in the realm of diaper lite.

The Broderrierre is, as we speak, for sale in France for a mere two and a half Euroes each. It gives those French the confidence they need to chase women well into their fartship years


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Wow, gotta stop this old talk. I'm starting to feel like an old fart. I'm still looking through eyes of a teenager.

John smile

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Hi John and John:

I wake up every morning thinking I am still 20 something until my feet touch the floor. Then reality "sets in" and I am immediately brought back to earth... and Curmudgeonville!

Sounds like a great title to a song.

Got great news at the Doc's Office today. I'm not going to die just yet and they are sending me down the road to another specialist. It appears a bone-spur in the socket area of my right hip is the immense pain culprit when I try to walk. Life is good.

Back to work.

----Dave

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Just when you think it can't get more insane, comes along a zipper mask for eating at a restaurant: https://www.pennlive.com/life/2020/...gx-5_84nHUFJltEKCOOwMtYpQfFIw9yHhl8gF9pE

Not only insane, but disgusting as well.

John smile

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Or even more bizarre, Trump admitting defeat already?

https://www.newser.com/story/292841...;utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

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Oh Well.

I always said that it was a regional disease as a practical matter.
And now I live in the epicenter of the region.

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Sorry to hear that martin. Stay safe and remember to avoid the 3 C's: closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings. This simple step helped in Japan because they were already familiar with the term 3 C's from quality teachings.

It looks like we have blown it as a country and really didn't want to sacrifice anything to stay healthy. I wonder what the people living through the great depression and WWII would think of us now.
The charts that show the US rate of infections vs. our allies (canada, japan, EU,..) is just astounding.


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oh No not charts again!

Id like to be on the charts but not this kind of chart......

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Charts, you want charts?

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Worrisome: The rise in hospitalizations.

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The drop in deaths looks good. Trump is touting it. And Medical people seem to be developing some effective therapies with steroids and so forth.
But there is concern.
My wife's friend, for instance, was hit hard by Covid and hospitalized. Trouble breathing, cough, oxygen, never required a ventilator. She was released to home and told by her doctor that her system had made the antibodies, BUT he said that they will fade after about 4 months.
Additionally she has been out of the hospital for two weeks and still feels "way off."
There may be a residual resident of some kind to the disease.

It looks like herd immunity is a fading hope.
A vaccine (that works) looks like the only thing that will return life to normal.

Sidenote: The Republicans were insistent on holding their state convention in Houston at this time. The mayor fortunately and correctly blocked it.
Yet it was this mayor and his police chief who were pandering to thousands of demonstrators crammed together in the streets a few weeks ago.
And then allowed a giant celebrity laden funeral event to take place in a city where you cant even accompany a spouse into an emergency room.

Sanity left the planet in 2020

In other news...I'm doing my frst song with BIAB. The software is a marvel and lots of fun. So...life is not all bad thanks to a songwriting hobby.

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Sanity and non-tribal thinking is in short supply these days!!

Feel free to check out my biab CD (it is free!): Kevin @ bandcamp

It shows the approach I took where I added as much as my own instrumentation as I could in order to make things sound "real". As always, the songs and performance are at my normal "OK" levels!


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Buying a new recording software is a good thing to do during a qurantine. You'll be forced to learn it faster and more in depth.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yeah, but they say a person goes on a ventilator for covid they only have a 50% chance of recovering, and from older case in pneumonia and copd like my mother died from, it's not even as high as 50%, it's very bad news having to go on a ventilator.

So beyond using a ventilator I'm not sure what else they do to stop people from.dying. They can certainly help with symptoms

But I agree shutting down the economy and having social distancing was all about keeping hospital visits down. Less contact with others, less spread, less visits to hospitals.



The ventilators are often the final straw killing these people, not the other way around. If you have a serious illness already, the vent is a death sentence more often than not. I don't know where you got 50% (not doubting, you just didn't mention it) I heard initially that 90% were dying with a vent directly from my Surgeon who puts them in. That's as first hand as you can get.

We're seeing a decrease in deaths in large part because they no longer are putting Covid Positive patients into nursing homes with the sickest most fragile people. (duh). Those 5 states accounted for 40% of the total deaths. I expect plenty of lawsuits and more explaining to be demanded. In one state the woman who made the decision to do it first removed her own mother from that facility and nearly the entire nursing home got covid and died. Her Mom was safe though in private care. I hope she is held accountable.

People also need to understand that unless they have a surgical grade mask, they aren't doing any good. Often the warnings right on the mask boxes say does not prevent transmission of Covid. Distancing is certainly a far better choice. If you are elderly, have one of the listed risks or are simply afraid, your best bet is to stay home, on your own property and have everything delivered. BUT.. make sure you are getting out and into the sun. Lay out in a lawn chair for 30 minutes a day with just a bathing suit and sun screen and get your natural vitamin D. Supplements aren't very helpful, but REAL sun is.

A lot of lying and misinformation and virtue signaling and "caren'ing" are going on. Control what YOU can control and you should be just fine. Who cares if someone is or isn't wearing a mask? It is YOUR job to keep your distance from them in the first place. But remember, while you're safe, a tremendous number of people must take ALL the risks for you to have food, electricity, water and all the other things you consume to exist. Most of them are underpaid, treated badly and now insane "customers" are making their lives even more difficult. Don't be one of them. They aren't your servants.


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