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#1161914 - 02/26/20 05:03 PM Separating tracks?  
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Saw a doc. on Orcas where one of the scientists mentioned they were using a new recording software app that was capable of separating the different whale "voices" in a pod. I wondered if this could be used to separate music tracks that were bounced when originally recorded on a four track...


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#1161915 - 02/26/20 05:15 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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Originally Posted by 9ne
Saw a doc. on Orcas where one of the scientists mentioned they were using a new software app that was capable of separating the different whale "voices" in a pod. I wondered if this could be used to separate music tracks that were bounced when originally recorded on a four track...


No it wont happen in an analog setting. They do have pitch detectors that make certain instruments stand out like heavy mid range, would bring out the guitar or piano. Heavy bass...etc. In digital recordings they might find a way, but nothing that I know of as of yet.

But the video games like rock band or guitar hero, are able to get their tracks seperated because they get access to the stems. I always wondered how rappers got the same exact track from a classic rock tune and were able to add to it or rap over it.

The stems can be purchased. On youtube you can find alot of classic rock songs that are isolated...ie just the bass to Stairway to Heaven. Or just the vocal to Hotel California

Here's one Beatles Dont let me Down, you can hear the echoed vocal, but the guitar is prevalent, you cant hear all that jaggedy stuff unless its isolated. Actually sounds pretty sloppy by itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQlXnpGLmZc

#1164833 - 05/30/20 01:36 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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Actually they do it all the time. They can pull out a vocal from a fully recording. There's remnants of the backing track there without a lot of editing work, but I have seen and hear people deconstruct all the instruments from a recording just as you imagined 9ne. I think I saw Rick Beato's channel do that on several occasions. But I know high end producers can easily do it and have done it often.


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#1164838 - 05/30/20 02:48 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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Sorry I didn't reply FD-I missed it somehow...thanks for the input!


Hey Brian! Hope you're feeling better! When I saw the documentary, I was thinking of Beatles tracks. I'd recently read that Jeff Lynne said getting a good take on Free As A Bird was very difficult as the piano and vocal were so tied. I've seen 5-6 of Rick's vids; well worth watching!

-Mike


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#1165587 - 06/19/20 12:52 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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When you look at an EQ of a song, many times many of the recorded instruments "bunch" in the low mids and create a muddy effect.
Many times pulling down on this area will clean up the sound.

Unless a vocal or something else that was mostly way up and alone in the highs or way down and mostly alone like a bass guitar, I don't see how they could split a singular something out of the mid ranges very cleanly.

If anyone knows of a video that displays this happening ...please post. Would really like to watch it.

Martin

#1165588 - 06/19/20 01:02 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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I've looked into it cause I had doubts it can be doine, I did find some videos of guys claiming to doit, but its not clear if they actually did.

Just search removing tracks or separating tracks videos will come up.

I think you can do certain things but not have the individual track ready to use for something else.your getting one track highlighted but there's bleeding and with echos of the other tracks

To me the question would be what do you want to do with the separated tracks? Do you want to put the drums from one song into a new song? don't think that would work. Do you want to remove the drums from a song to be good enough to practice your own drums with the song and maybe record it too, probably would work fine.

I can see people who work with samples want g to remove signature riffs and parts to use, I'm sure it can be done or the stem tracks can be bought.

but Separating tracks seems like a lot of work for something that has limited use anyway

And If using popular songs I'm sure there are several copyright laws being broken

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#1165589 - 06/19/20 02:56 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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The separated tracks? If you wanted to lower the volume of the piano and the vocal was tied to it, obviously they both would be lowered. Sometimes the bass is buried and the eq could be changed or the track re-amped if it was separate. Many uses for separate tracks...


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=170948

I think what makes satan so attractive to others is
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....and he played real drums
#1165591 - 06/19/20 03:52 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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Yes but it wouldn't be just the bass track being removed,it would be the bass as it relates to the whole mix.

So your separated bass track has more signal in it than Just the bass line. What about the bass of the guitar or the bass of the singer's voice or the bass of the kick drum. That's all coming with it.

Unless there is some way they can actually see where the bass line is in the wave and pull it out like the videos they show. Seems like alot of work

I can see sentimental value, your bass player dies and you want to keep his part, and he obviously can't record it again, that might be one application.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeOZQ461r_s

This video demonstrated some software that separated drums and music and vocals.
To me, it just proved that it does not work very well.
Could not find anything more convincing.
If anyone does...please post.

#1165600 - 06/19/20 10:27 PM Re: Separating tracks? [Re: 9ne]  
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Sounds like an advanced normalizing feature. I can almost get a certain track that is more pronounced to the original sound through normalizing, but does not come out as well. I would probably be willing to check this out if it came to market..


At Soundclick:
https://www.soundclick.com/artist/default.cfm?bandID=1468037

Videos at youtube (Ads, editing film, and instrumental song docomenteries):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGZj1g-Fb0HSN4PtzegjzIA

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