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19 known dead is Nova Scotia, probability of more bodies yet to be found, as one person decides to end it all and take many more with him. He must have been planning this for some time. He had an RCMP uniform and a car painted like an RCMP car so he could go undetected for a time. No one knows why he did it and likely never will as he too is dead. My heart goes out to those that lost loved ones in this senseless crime. There is no pattern to his killing, some people he knew, some he did not, was he looking for his 15 minutes of fame. But why, he is not here to bask in it. Not a hate crime that we can tell. God protect us from people like him. Amen

This is true in most mass shootings. And why no one can blame guns, or anything other than the person who planned and carried it out. Same with knives, hatchts, axes, bombs, poison, and anythnig that kills large numbers of people. Crazy is crazy and it can also be devious. So sorry for the loss in your country. It can happen anywhere to anyone.

Thank you Marc...it was a horrible event and such a terrible loss of family members for so many people who were affected.

I can't imagine what they must be thinking at this point but I do hope they can find strength within their families and communities.

The death count is now up to 22. I hope this don't trigger any copycats. You are right Marc, the blame lies with the person, no weapon can inflict pain unless someone makes it do so. We have some gun control here in Canada but crooks bring them across the border every day. What triggered this guy we will likely never know. He had a good job, so we can't blame poverty. Maybe he was listening to Demon in his head, if they could have taken him alive we might have found out. Maybe he wanted suicided by cop.

If you study mass murders and particularly political assasinations, they are usually lone nuts, with bones to pick about society, chips on their shoulders, and of course a lot of times, have had trouble all through out their lives. When you look back at them, you see hundreds of red flags that came up. One of the huge school shootings here, a couple years ago, the shooter had been visited hundreds of time by the State police. He had dozens of complaints against him by his fellow students and most of the students and parents heard about it and almost all of them not only expected it but had reported him for one thing or another.

They usually leave big MANIFESTOS on web sites leading up to it. But things are so that until they actually commit a crime nothing can be done about them.

You can go back throughout history and just about every mass shooter have the same profiles. If this guy had the police uniform, the car dressed up to look like a cop, you can bet he had planned it. There is also a common thread that almost all have since the invention of the Internet. INFAMY. Many school shooters and other mass murderers were trying to "up the death count" of people before them. It is their way to get in the history books. And why many news sources now won't identify their names when talking about the deaths. Many have "SHORT MAN COMPLEX" they never fit into society and even if some of them are quite well off, from good families, even very wealthy, they still are looking at this as their way to "BE SOMEBODY."

They are not always crazy. They are evil. And again, if you study history, they have always been with us. The only difference now is they can get their names, faces and lives worlwide famous now through the Internet. They almost all expect to die, so death by cop is the expected ending. They just want to take as many people as they can before they go. It is particularly bad with people with religous or phylisophical bent. When a person is taught from childbirth that their way into heaven or NIrvana is to kill as many people that don't believe like them or insult their faith. There is really only one way to deal with that. Kill them before they kill you. Unfortunate, but they leave you with no choice.

MAB

The mental health problem(s) here in the U. S. are massive. Just go to any big city and survey the homeless population(s). Significant portions of them are in some phase of depression... or worse.

I saw the reports about this particular case in N.S. and was surprised... but then the tragedy in Sutherland Springs, Texas was also a shock. It isn't the weapons they use... it's the lack of compassion somehow left out of their "up-bringing." Marc is right... these flawed creatures have always been among us though the centuries.

Sad!

As Archie Bunker said "would it make you feel any better if people were thrown out of windows, instead of shot?"

that said guns make killing many people much easier.

Patterns do emerge, but for every correct hunch, there are hundreds of false alarms, it's a lot of police and detective resources.

Basic!y, there is no way to stop a nut who is determined. Especially when their own life means nothing to them either. Just like terrorism.

The media highlights these cases, that's why we hear it so many. Some crazy see these people getting news coverage and want part of it.

Scary world, metal detectors in public places may help somewhat, but we are really helpless to defend it.

Just one bit of refinement Marc

Those who kill in the name of religion are often manipulated by political operatives for political purposes. They are often "victims" of their society in some way, somehow damaged by loss or grievances, and that is used by the operatives to have them do their bidding. They are not taught from day one to kill others...and no religion I know of teaches this....that is thrust upon them as part of the process of turning them into killers for motives that have nothing to do with faith.

Those wanting power or to engage in action agains their enemies will always use religion as a "booster".

I remember sitting with a Vietnam vet...a Canadian actually. He told me of Christian clergy making statements like "Kill a Commie for Christ" ...Apartheid in South Africa had the total support of religion because the blacks were simply not seen as people who believed in God. The Crusades were great example of religious power inducing political action because Rome\The Papacy wanted Jerusalem back ...and the modern day Islamic fanatic is similarly driven by the same kinds of political powers.

Much evil is done in the name of God and religion because it is so easy to create an "us vs them" paradigm to de-humanize the other

The people who manipulate were manipulated too. They really believe the rewards that await them. That's why they do it. I saw a doc were they were interviewing a mother of a kid who wanted to be a jihad. She was smiling and viewing the danger as it were similar to letting her son play football. " I don't want that for him., But if that's what he wants he has my blessings.

In Christianity the pope used to head the military. Right there anyone should see conflict.

Any scientist who challenged creation stories were executed by the church.

Way before that, civilizations offered up virgins to appease the gods.

Everybody thinks they have the right religion

I've also seen footage of babies wearing Kkk outfits, so hatred starts early.

Pagans use to offer up their children to Moloch, their god, looking for his blessing. How many children today are aborted to the god of convenience, because the child will interfere with their career. Many people can not have children but want children, they will spend thousands of dollars going to foreign countries to adopt because there are none to adopt in their own country, all the while hundreds, if not thousands, are being aborted in a clinic not far away every day. Surely in civilized countries, we can come up with a plan where children can be adopted instead of aborted. Then there are the so called Doctors that want to keep the abortion mills going because it is making them rich, not only for the fees but the selling of baby parts for research. God will not bless nations that allow this to continue, judgement will come. We have a number of ways to prevent pregnancy before the fact, but many use abortion as a contraception after the fact.

Everett are you arguing that God does not bless Canada because we are pro choice??

Is this NS tragedy a reflection of God abandoning us??? Is COVID a punishment for humanity's sins?????

I know you are deeply religious, and I do promote tolerance and respect for all faiths, so if that IS what you believe, I take no issue.

I do take issue with statements such as "all the while hundreds, if not thousands, are being aborted in a clinic not far away every day" and "so called Doctors that want to keep the abortion mills going because it is making them rich, not only for the fees but the selling of baby parts for research" because that is sheer hyperbole.

I believe life is sacred and only God can give life, but humans, for greed, hate and other reasons seem to take other's lives when it is convenient to them. We all have the ability to do good or evil, we make the choice. Often it is argued that the up bringing of a child will determine how he/she will turn out in life, no doubt it will influence their outlook on life but does not hold true all the time. Many good people come out of a poor neighbourhood while some of the worst people come out of a life of abundance and privilege . How many babies have been aborted since it became lawful to do so? I doubt anyone is keeping score, but God is. Whether you believe in God or not, He does exist and one day everyone will stand before Him to be judged. Those that accept Jesus will not be judged for their sins because Jesus has already paid for their sins, they will be judged for rewards for what they did or did not do after salvation. Those that remained in their sins and died in their sins will be judged for their sins.

I believe God has blest Canada but not to the extent He has blest the USA. God does not bring evil onto people or nations but He will allow the evil one to test people and nations, read Job in the bible as an example. Many times in the bible the nation of Israel were allowed to be punished because they were drifting away from God, and they were a blest people. God had nothing to do with what happened in Nova Scotia, it was an evil man doing his own thing, no doubt with the urging of his god, Satan. I judge no man (except by the Word), I have no authority to do so, I just tell them to read the bible and let him/her judge themselves by the Word. That is how I came to know the truth. I thought I was a pretty good person for the first half of my life, then I started to read the word of God and I realized I was headed for hell, no one is good, no not one, my self righteousness were to God as filthy rags, only the blood of Jesus could make me acceptable to God. He was without sin but paid for my sin and whom ever else's sins, on the cross.

I know some may look at me and say I'm fanatical about God, I don't mind, there are people fanatical about sports, movie stars, music, etc and no one questions them, and they are only earthly things, I'm looking beyond earthly things, earth is only a testing ground for Heavenly things.

You might not like it but it's factual that the US birthrate is at an all time low among citizens of all races directly attributable to abortion.

It is a fact that record numbers of families are on waiting lists to adopt and that the waiting period is many years longer unless they go outside the US to find a baby.

It is a fact that abortion clinics make record profits each year. It is fact that individual Doctors make more money if they do more abortions.

It is a fact that abortion clinics sell baby parts including individual organs piecemeal for everything from research to cosmetics and beyond.

Perhaps you disagree with his framing of religious penalty being visited upon the participants. But if you don't believe, then it doesn't effect you in your view. He believes, so he lives by his doctrine.

So what did I miss that he said that was wrong? Semantics?

Brian

Thank you Brian. It makes me angry when people use abortion as a means of birth control. We have condoms and birth control pills to prevent pregnancy's but abortion has become so readily available, why bother those simple things. It is reported sixty million babies have been aborted in the US alone over the past number of years. That is a lot of people that have to be replaced in the work force by bringing in people from other countries that do not abort their babies. We may complain because those foreigners are taking over and taking jobs from Americans, jobs that most Americans would not want in the first place, but those jobs need to be done, so bring in those people. We are having the same problem in Canada. labour jobs that are beneath the asperations of many young Canadians, go begging while we have people on able bodied welfare or employment insurance. Farming and fishing jobs are looked down upon by todays youth as demeaning. Good honest work that is needed to provide food for the rich that don't have muscles more capable than to push a few buttons on machinery or a computer. Until we come up with robots to do those demeaning jobs( then people will complain because robots are taking their jobs) workers are needed, if they are not filled by Canadians or Americans, we have to bring in foreigners, who make more money in one day here than they would make in a month in their own country.

Sins have a way of coming back to haunt nations and people that commit them.

Illegal immigration destroys the working poor in the USA. It is FAR worse than the same number of legal immigrants. Why? Good question.

Illegal immigrants are victimized harshly by the companies who hire them. They work for well below even minimum wages which artificially drives down legitimate wages. They also do not receive benefits which means they are not protected in cases of catastrophic accidents. They are often forced to work in unsafe conditions which legitimate employers could never get away with. Since they have no benefits they become a huge burden on public healthcare which drives down funds and resources for the poor among the citizenry. They also earn nothing towards social security so as they age they become a burden to charitable resources and face crushing poverty in their elder years.

They boost unscrupulous, criminal companies who then unfairly affect legit marketplace competition limiting what legitimate companies can do for their employees and in many cases drives honest competitors out of business costing legitimate jobs and legitimate tax paying workers. I could go on further but the point is made. Crime by default also comes with illegal immigration because these people must live in the shadows in jurisdictions that follow the law. Meanwhile, while driving wages down, driving quality healthcare down and driving legitimate tax paying companies out of business, they raise the cost of affordable housing through scarcity, along with other cost of living factors.

Illegal immigration is good only for illegitimate businesses and dishonest politicians who both exploit them.

I agree with you, illegal immigration is great for farms or companies that will take advantage of the fact that they are in the country illegally. Pay them low wages and bad working conditions because who are they going to complain to.
I live in a province of Canada of about 500,000 people, we have about 15% unemployment, still when a farmer needs workers to help harvest the crops in the fall, it is almost impossible to get people to work. Some farmers are having to bring in workers from foreign countries and house them at extra expense, while able bodied men and women draw down employment insurance payments or are on welfare. Some will work if you pay them under the table so they don't lose their welfare or EI. Some farmers have had to do that to get crops out of the ground, but the farmer has nothing to show as expense in wages to deduct off his/her income, so they pay tax on income they did not receive. Government programs are abused too much, we are raising youngsters too lazy to work, often too weak to work because all they do is play video games, nothing to strengthen their bodies. I blame many of the parents who let their youngsters get away with it, who give them an allowance big enough that they don't have to work. People coming in from poor countries have a better work ethic because they have always had to work to live, not today's youth. Not all youth are like this, many are ambitious and will work, but they are getting to be a rare breed.

Brian, you cannot argue the birth rate decline is directly attributable to abortions because that is simply not true.

In fact the statistics say that abortion rates are dropping in the USA, and the decline in birth rate\decrease in family size is more due to decreases in fertility rates...a measure that relates more to factors such as postponement of marriage, increasing age of first birth, increasing divorce rates, lower marriage rates, more births outside marriage, an increasing number of women in the labor force, greater levels of education for women, a decreasing need for children to support elderly....

And as far as record profits...the research I just did does not support that...although yes, the more abortions a doctor does, the more money they make...just like a car dealer who sells more cars...so no issue with that statement at all.

As to selling body parts...there is no proof and a widely cited heavily edited video that made such claims a few years back has been discredited...and the US Justice department has yet to come to any conclusions while state investigations have found no evidence any clinic in their jurisdiction has broken any laws. Not saying it does not happen at all....human greed is always at work ....just that it is more an exception than normal practice

As to Everetts beliefs, I fully respect his religious beliefs..I just disagreed with his...and your...misrepresentations surrounding the issue.

You can definitely base your beliefs on religious and moral grounds...I would be 100% supportive of your right to do so and would not have questioned it at all. But no need to make stuff up to support what you believe

I'm guessing abortion rates are down during april...

Contraceptive companies are probably filing for bankruptcy. And that's probably directly related to bars being closed....lol

This is because they are given an artificially soft landing when choosing not to work. If someone can live off of other people's productivity without being disabled why would they choose to work at all? The answer is they don't. I am also not against bringing in LEGAL immigrants to fill those needs. There are plenty of people in line legally to fill those needs, but rather than simply make that process quicker and open equally to ALL (which it currently is not) they prefer illegals so they can abuse them. Government also loves illegal workers because they provide short term benefits and they will have already cashed in before the bill becomes due. That is the nature of government. They get super rich so their heirs never have to worry even if everything collapses worldwide, meanwhile regular people's kids will be enslaved by the debt. We're there already in many ways as the current USA debt can and will never be paid. Not even a world war can change that. The rich want a ruling class and one world government. The only entity remaining to be conquered is the battle in the USA right now and by all accounts American's have collectively rolled over.

Here's a Canadian YouTuber who has summed up those running our world at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ03SWl9WdU

Before anyone cries conspiracy theory, she's still a monetized (meaning YouTube approved) channel considered friendly to advertisers. She uses actual video quotes to make her points in these people's own words.

Abortions worldwide this year:
According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.

Is it on a decline in the USA? Yep, but it's too late. Irony? The birthrate is not only down among white Americans, but across ALL ethnicities in the USA. Is it the ONLY reason for decline? Of course not. Culture, Big Business, Poor Healthcare, Horrible Food, Terrible systemic Government oversight by both parties all contribute, not even counting the poison being dumped into the food chain for DECADES by ALL politicians. Without abortions, our country would not be facing the worst negative replacement rate in the ENTIRE world. This isn't even a morality question, it is simply a numbers reality. It has been genocidal to some ethnicities in the US, which many could reasonably argue was the Eugenicist viewpoint all along, including that of Margaret Sanger, who was a proud Eugenicist who got what she wanted, point all along.

https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...enicist-why-are-we-still-celebrating-her

Another good source of stats here Brian. UN numbers. Shows US has a rate of about 20 per 1000 women between the ages of 15 to 44 who have had an abortion.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/abortion-rates-by-country/

.......so 980 out of a thousand women between that age have NOT had an abortion

What is interesting is that Canada, which is fully pro choice, has a rate of 14-15 per thousand women..so allowing choice does not in itself cause numbers to rise

But this is the end for me in this discussion Brian.

We can both quote numbers and bring in statistics, but the heart of this issue is do you support a woman's right to choose for herself...with input from her partner, close friends, family... or do you not. If you do not, I may disagree with you, but our disagreement is meaningless until we argue over the destiny of a woman close to us both.

Here's a Canadian YouTuber who has summed up those running our world at the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ03SWl9WdU

Unfortunately Brian that You Tube has been removed. Censorship in action. It is getting harder than ever to get the truth because of fake news and censorship by those in control. Too few people own too much control over newspapers, radio, TV and now the internet media sites. This control will help those in power to bring in world government. We are getting to the point of mass brain washing, tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth. Evil will be good and good will be evil in the last days according to the bible, and we see this every day in society. We are even being denied our freedom of speech. If you speak out against something being wrong, you can be arrested for hate speech. Before you speak you have to weigh what you want to say because someone can be offended by it. Even the gospel is an offence to those being lost.

I better shut up because I don't want to offend anyone.