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#1162846 - 04/08/20 08:27 AM John Prine, RIP  
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As many of you know, John Prine has become one of the latest vicitims of Covid 19. John was such a great inspiration to so many writers,and I was one of them. I had a couple of experiences with him. He was always a greeat guy, easy to talk to and very patient. And a tremendous writer. This is my favorite.


[b]John passed last night. He had been going through Cancer for many years and so this was not a shock when he was amitted to the hospital a couple of days ago. I had seen and spoken to him at a resturant here in January and he was looking pretty bad then. Cancer had taken away part of his jaw and his neck, so it was kind of tough then. He had recently won a lot of awards, a Grammy, being one and was highly honored around the town. So he got to see much of the accolades before he passed.


John was an amazing guy and tremendous writer. I had met him in Alabama in the early 80's when I saw one of his shows. I was drawn to his more humorus stuff, but he could write across the board. I played several of his songs, like "DEAR ABBY" "PLEASE DON'T BURY ME" and '"GRANDPA WAS A CARPENTER." I loved his records and it is intersting that he was one of the first artists in the 90's who formed his own label. He never had too many hit records, but had an ENORMOUS CULT FOLLOWING. Actually a model for what most people are doing today, independent and effective.†

My favorite connection with him†was at the Bluebird one Sunday night. I happened to be performing that night and was the last "new writer" to go on before the feature, who was another of my favorite writers and Prine co-writer, FRED KOLLER. John and Fred had written another song that I performed continually, "LET'S TALK DIRTY IN HAWAIIAN". Fred was one of the reasons I had moved to Nashville, seeing him at a workshop in Birmingham, which gave me the idea of moving to Nashville in the first place. If writers here were like that, I WAS ALL IN.
I walked past† them as they had a conversation at the bar, Fred had recognized me and I went up to say hello. I said "Looking forward to opening for you tonight..." it was a joke and I actually meant it to Fred, but John and he both smiled and said "No problem" at the same time.

We all kind of laughed and a little later I did my three songs. John and Fred both watched me quite attentively and that was a very cool feeling. After I finished and was putting my guitar in the case, he pat me on the back and said he really liked my voice. That was as big a compliment you could get and I felt like one of my "bucket list" things had been accomplished. Playing the worlds most famous songwriter club in front of two of the best songwriters in the world. Fred got up and did the feature and halfway through, he brought John up to thunderous applause. John did a new song he was working on, and then they both did "LET'S TALK DIRTY IN HAWAIIAN." It was amazing.

Been thinking about that over the four days when we heard he went into the hospital, and just reflected on what a great guy he was. Always calm, talked to people, very nice person as well as a tremendous talent. That is the great thing about Nashville, bringing you into contact with people like that. An astounding talent, who left us with some great memories.

Thank you John. Rest In Peace.
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#1162847 - 04/08/20 08:50 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Thanks for the personal story MAB. I haven't heard anyone say anything other than wonderful things about him. It seemed like he truly was a great human being.


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#1162853 - 04/08/20 09:53 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Yes, another lost to COVID. I first hear about him when I wintered in Banff many years ago. I worked the front desk of a local hotel and checked the band in every Sunday night...so I always hung with them. It is in fact where I learned enough from them (well I leeched off them is the truth) to learn on my own and begin writing some rudimentary songs

In any event, one of those bands covered a number of John's songs and his lyrics were awesome. From crazy stuff like "Please Don't Bury Me" and "Dear Abbey" to the heartbrteak & ache of "Sam Stone" and "Hello In There" to stuff like "Illegal Smile"

Definitely an influential singer songwriter who has left us a wonderful legacy. More cannot be asked from an individual life.

Thank you John, and rest easy knowing your gift of your music will live on.


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#1162862 - 04/08/20 11:35 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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I spoke to him in January in a local resturant, and he looked and sounded pretty rough there. I believe Covid 19 was probably the final nail in the coffin. Doesn't matter, the end result is the same. But it's much better to remember them as how they lived than how they died. That;s how I'd rather be remembered.

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#1162870 - 04/08/20 01:14 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Who deleted couch and my comments? We may not agree and butt heads but we both agree you can't pick and choose which threads you want to keep.

#1162934 - 04/09/20 10:33 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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#1162954 - 04/09/20 03:16 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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"Jesus, The Wilderness Years" is just wonderfully weird.
The one I get asked to do at open mike nights is the golden oldie, "Paradise".
Like Cash, I will miss the thrill of hearing a new song from him.

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#1163002 - 04/10/20 02:26 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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I always liked John Prine - and Angel from Montgomery and Dear Abby were in my cover repetiore forever.
The owner of a bar I played at for years was a huge fan. I have always tried to add requested songs for my audience and when one of them owns the place you dig deep into the artists catalog.
Paradise, Souvenirs, Donald & Lydia, Christmas in Prison, In Spite of Ourselves, Blow Up Your TV, Crazy as a Loon, When I Get to Heaven, Other Side of Town, God Only Knows, Please Donít Bury Me, Fish & Whistle, Never Even Called Me By My Name, Blue Umbrella, Storm Windows - they all ended up in the rotation.
The bar owner was a 'Nam vet so Sam Stone meant a lot to him and became one of my favorites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_e4Vow9VU

Lyricists can learn a ton from studying John's writing. Accessible, simple stuff with original twists, an off beat perspective, a repeatable hook in the chorus. Performers can also learn a lot about stage banter watching his live videos. He was as great at telling a story between songs as he was in the songs.


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#1163012 - 04/10/20 03:23 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marty Helly]  
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Your last two lines sum him up, Marty.
Lessons to learn.

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#1163029 - 04/10/20 10:11 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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The storytelling part is what I have found most lacking in artists under 35, including some otherwise very good ones. I think to be fair part of it is that they haven't lived long enough to hear good ones to tell or even good ones to steal. But that age keeps creeping up higher and if I were out more than I am these past 5 years, that age might be 40+ and it just might be a discarded art.

Someday I will figure out how to make people understand something I have preached since learning it myself in the late 80's and 90's when I played out the most outside of JPF. People are far more likely to become a fan if they think they got a glimpse or more of the real you and related to it when they did. That doesn't come, oddly enough, from your music however. It comes from your ability to connect between songs and before and after shows. The old tried and true practice of a Rock Star "connecting" by saying "hello Seattle" or "goodnight Detroit" is a meme of the entire idea. Rock bands do it less because they have other types of spectacles to leave an impression. But singer-songwriters need stage banter and stories to really connect. Without it, you'll bore most audiences even if they like your songs. (Outside of family and friends of course). For those not overwhelmed by hormones in your audience (which require different triggers) sharing humor, warmth, emotion and connectivity through your banter and stories is the trick that every seasoned solo performer should practice and master for wider success at shows. If you suck at it, try generic stuff like "how are you all doing tonight?" to speaking about some landmark you saw when you drove into town. Even that works. Then add arrows to your quiver as you go.

Of course you guys above know this. But new folks who stumble on this later may not.


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#1163032 - 04/10/20 10:47 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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I had limited knowledge of Prine, some of the country buffs on these sites made me aware. Great writer, he and Bruce came up at the same time and both got tagged as "the new Dylan"

I love speed of sound of lonlinesss, and it just so happens that Dave Matthews did a version last night on Colbert show. Very emotional performance, moved me. Try it out.... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEyPXA0c7E4

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#1163043 - 04/11/20 09:11 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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"The storytelling part is what I have found most lacking in artists under 35, including some otherwise very good ones. I think to be fair part of it is that they haven't lived long enough to hear good ones to tell or even good ones to steal. But that age keeps creeping up higher and if I were out more than I am these past 5 years, that age might be 40+ and it just might be a discarded art."

There's a primary reason for that Brian. Today's artist, and the vast majority of artists for the past 20 years, pretty much look only at THEMSELVES. The things they write and perform, record, etc. are about THEM, and THEIR own experiences. One of the weird things about writing with younger artists are they really don't know anything outside their own framework of living. A great deal of this hass to do with the 'ME, ME, ME" nature of social media. Things like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram are really designed for everyone to talk about themselbes, show what they eat, show their whole lives. The younger they are, the more self absorbed they are.

John, and writers of the generations before were OBSERVERS OF LIFE. John wrote about all kinds of stuff, from war ravaged drug addicts (Sam Stone), social issues,
(Paradise), to some really funny stuff, (Let's talk Dirty in Hawaiian, Dear Abby) which were looking at slices of life from all points of view.

Today, even when we write, we will put our own experienes, emotions and thoughts into every song, but the really great ones make the audience think that they are "THEIR" thoughts and experiences. The best compliment a writer can recieve is "Man, you're writing MY LIFE!!!!"

The writers and artists of today, too often forget that. It shows in the abilities of subsequent people coming in. Whenever I hear people complain about what is on the radio and "out there" I always think and want to say, :"If you think that is mediocre, you have NO IDEA WHATS COMING in the next few years."

Self absorbtion is one of the culture killers.

MAB

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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
"The storytelling part is what I have found most lacking in artists under 35, including some otherwise very good ones. I think to be fair part of it is that they haven't lived long enough to hear good ones to tell or even good ones to steal. But that age keeps creeping up higher and if I were out more than I am these past 5 years, that age might be 40+ and it just might be a discarded art."

There's a primary reason for that Brian. Today's artist, and the vast majority of artists for the past 20 years, pretty much look only at THEMSELVES. The things they write and perform, record, etc. are about THEM, and THEIR own experiences. One of the weird things about writing with younger artists are they really don't know anything outside their own framework of living. A great deal of this hass to do with the 'ME, ME, ME" nature of social media. Things like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram are really designed for everyone to talk about themselbes, show what they eat, show their whole lives. The younger they are, the more self absorbed they are.

John, and writers of the generations before were OBSERVERS OF LIFE. John wrote about all kinds of stuff, from war ravaged drug addicts (Sam Stone), social issues,
(Paradise), to some really funny stuff, (Let's talk Dirty in Hawaiian, Dear Abby) which were looking at slices of life from all points of view.

Today, even when we write, we will put our own experienes, emotions and thoughts into every song, but the really great ones make the audience think that they are "THEIR" thoughts and experiences. The best compliment a writer can recieve is "Man, you're writing MY LIFE!!!!"

The writers and artists of today, too often forget that. It shows in the abilities of subsequent people coming in. Whenever I hear people complain about what is on the radio and "out there" I always think and want to say, :"If you think that is mediocre, you have NO IDEA WHATS COMING in the next few years."

Self absorbtion is one of the culture killers.

MAB


And that is why I posted above. I do think to have stories (or to borrow them and what seasoned artist hasn't right?) you have to have lived in the real world. Most of the funniest stories are when things go wrong in life and leave you in a bad way. Guess what? Most of these kids have either NEVER been IN harms way, or at least had a safety net so present and complete that they never felt actual fear, pain, humiliation or even the exultation of something amazingly good. They live much like the boy in the bubble and to them a tiny PC infraction is what many fear more than anything in the world. The minefield they all must try to survive in school which is traumatic enough for them must be far worse than we likely understand. But the failure is their parents who haven't made them understand that short of serious legal trouble for serious crimes, nothing that happens in high school social interactions means anything, nor does any single test, paper, assignment or grade for that matter (prior to a college bound kid shooting for academic opportunities. I went to a very good university but truth is that none of it meant anything. I never had a job interview or life activity where I was even a single time asked about my GPA or classes I took etc. I didn't go to med or law school of course, but short of continuing education most ACTUAL employers could care less about your GPA as it has very little to do with your likely success or failure in 90+% jobs. Your social interactions count for FAR more during the interview than your 4 years of study. Kids today can't even make eye contact or explain their goals and how they plan to get there which is far more damaging than getting a C in College Gender Studies. That same timidity is a telling failing in young musicians for the most part. A stern look from an interviewer makes most melt and often they expose themselves badly which is why so many college grads are still working at Starbucks and living with their parents at 25 instead of working in something they are passionate about (incl. making music), finding a life partner and starting their adult life. Meanwhile with fertility rates crashing, people putting off their real life an extra decade (also under crushing debt) usually prevents them from any functional success or risk taking while they slave away at menial jobs just to make minimum payments on their bogus college loans. Kids used to go to college, form a band, all drop out and hit the road in a van. Trouble is that now with these oppressive loans from mostly useless schools (as an aside, unless your degree is for a functional talent from programming to accounting to medical/law or some technical education needed to begin working, your money is WASTED. "Liberal Arts" degrees are mostly a waste of time AND money. But I digress) kids can't afford to change their mind because a single semester at an average University can already have them 25K or more in debt at many mainstream/non community college schools. So they MUST go forward all the way in desperate hope it leads them to enough salary to pay the debt back and live on their own.

These environments plus brainwashing via social media and a misleading and often dishonest media that hypes up all the wrong things hits kids early, and messes them up all along the way. So if you're a 20 year old Singer Songwriter gigging while a student, you're likely shoe-gazing while you mumble through another inane song that means nothing so as not to offend. I am not sure how many of us could have made it out of that unscathed. And if you DO hold beliefs a certainly WOKE crowd disagrees with, those folk can quickly destroy a kids life. We all used to worry about some big bully taking our lunch money. These kids have to fear the entire school, faculty and kids alike, DESTROYING them should they step out of line with a joke or opinion in a lyric they don't approve of. I know a young musician who was driven to suicide over just such a thing. And sadly, I bet many of you do too.

Brian


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#1163055 - 04/11/20 02:39 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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I think it's because story telling isnt part of the equation nowadays. You don't get to tell a story with the current format. When Prine was in his prime singer songwriters were dominating the charts.

Pete Townsend wrote Tommy while he was 23.

And if you name any singer songwriter their best stuff came early.

Life experience matters, they used to say you can't play the blues unless you lived the blues, but I think the problem for the younger generations is the people who influence them are watered down versions of the great story tellers of old.

10 years from now the stars will be saying how much Justine Bieber influenced them. That's because thats what they were exposed to.

If you don't know you need to know how to tell a story well, you wont. You can be sucessful today without telling a story.

#1163070 - 04/12/20 06:58 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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They use to say, "write what you know", without life experience you don't have much to write about except partying, booze and drugs and dating, and pickup trucks, and that makes up most of the songs of today. The music industry want their artist young and beautiful or handsome because they are really selling the image of sex. As long as you can sing and write and hopefully play an instrument and have a beautiful body, that is all they need. The quality of what you sing means very little. If you can dance to it is helpful but not all that important. Just look good and the young people will swoon over the artist and buy what ever they put out.

#1163081 - 04/12/20 10:15 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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All of those are correct. But Everett, I would also say this, This has ALWAYS been so in commercial music.

At his Age, and in his era, Jolson was a good looking guy and appealed to his audiences.
Sinatra was not a bad looking guy.
Elvis and the Beatles were not old unnattractive people. All the Motown artists were very young, talented, and good looking.

The sales of "Sex" is as old as the business itself. The modern era is the same except it is now even more superficial and nothing else really matters.

There are a handful or writers and artists that are both attractive and very good writers. Kacey Musgraves and Maren Morris come to mind. And there will always be exceptions to the rule.

But overall, the artists, like Brian mention are exactly right. Totally unprepared for anything. A quick glance at the current American Idol (The only reason I watch at all is one of the people I have worked with, Lauren Mascitti, who IS ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS, is on there.) when you see the "losers" be told they have not made the final cuts, watching them meltdown and totally collapse is a sad thing. They need to get used to it, because the music business is nearly all rejection.

They are totally unprepared for real life. Brian is correct on all of that.

But I will also say there are many that do have talent, looks, even money and industry contacts behind them and they miss too. So it's not just looks. It takes something and that is called attracting an audience to them. Not everyone can do that.

MAB

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Not sure I agree with this Everette "They use to say, "write what you know", without life experience you don't have much to write about except partying, booze and drugs and dating, and pickup trucks, and that makes up most of the songs of today"

Old people can write inane stupid meaningless stuff too.

And young people have written the greatest songs of all time.

Pete Townsend an entire rock opera Tommy, 23 years old

Springsteen, Born To Run, 24

McCartney Lennon, Help, Hard Days Night, 23

John Prine Angel from Montgomery, Sam Stone, 26

Billy Joel Piano Man, 24

Not only are these their best works, but they don't write half as good as they used to.

It's not life experience, it's the ability to express life experience. Being able to step back and see the world to write deep stuff.

But there is also nothing wrong with yakityy yak, don't talk back.


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#1163133 - 04/13/20 06:24 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Yes Fd but they were songwriters, their God given gift. Many today just want to write songs because they think it is glamorous and will make them rich. They will study songwriting till it comes out of their ears and still will not write a good song. They are a square peg in a round hole. God give us all gifts but they are different gifts. Some are Doctors, some carpenters, some lawyers etc. but the ones that are gifted stand out above those that just learned their trade without the gift. Some people can play any instrument from the first time they tried, while others will never be an accomplished played after a lifetime playing and learning. It's called natural ability. Some people are beautiful singers without ever taking a singing lesson, while others will take lessons for years and never become a great singer. It's natural talent. I'm not saying that natural talent can't benefit from learning to improve on their natural talent, because they can. A Doctor with natural talent still has to learn how to use his/her talent through learning wisdom of those that have gone on before, but they are building on a gift to do what comes natural to them.

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Agreed there. I'm still a believer that working on your craft makes you better, but in contrast so many artists do their best stuff on their first album or first few and never match it. So the God given gift still has limitations.

but having minimal talent is very common, you have to develop what you have, even if you want to play punk rock or a carer, all artists need developement. Actually record companies used to allow artists to develop, three albums or so,nowadays if you don't sell immediately you're done.

Also think we have to account for subjectiveness. If people like !listening to your music, it doesn't matter if you stink, somebody gets it and it's worth something to them.

That's how seemingly talentless artists become big, they're offering something to somebody.





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#1163168 - 04/14/20 07:30 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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They say everyone has at least one good song in them, but that is it, no more. A good imagination is essential for a songwriter to write lots of songs. If you are only writing about your own life experiences, you'll have a limited amount of songs to write. No doubt working to improve any talent is a must. You take sports, you may be a raw talent but good coaching and a lot of work will make you a polished player. A diamond in the rough is not very pretty until a lot of work goes into bringing out its hidden beauty. The bigger the diamond the more value is hidden there.

The only sport I liked to play was hockey, I had the work edict to be a good player but I lacked the size needed to become a pro. I was not a good skater, weak ankles, and skating is a big part of the game. So my natural ability was hampered because I was not designed to play that game. So I could only go so far. Songwriting is not a sport so body size and shape does not matter, but rhythm and rhyme is important, knowing word also important. Some songwriters are good with words but not with music. Some great musicians can play any song but can not write one. Rarely do you find songwriters that are great with lyrics, music and vocals. Lots of great songwriters and terrible singers, lots of great musicians are terrible singers, lots of great singers are terrible songwriters. We need each other to bring out the best in any song. Then you have producers and engineers in the studio to bring out the best of the artist. The performance of a song is the icing on the cake, it can come alive or die on the vine with the singer's delivery of the song.

Yes natural talent needs to learn and work at their talent to rise to the top. Desire and pride also plays an important part in any field of sport or the arts, or any chosen field of work and career. Tenacity to keep trying is also important.

#1163189 - 04/14/20 02:46 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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My comments were deleted?? Again??! What did I say that was wrong?? Please be specific. Was it that Prine died with the Wuhan Virus and not from it? Surely if such an idea was easily disproven, leaving it open for discussion would be the best way to squash it. Let people see how wrong I was.

A site dedicated to writing that deletes non-threatening comments isn't just contradictory, it's PATHETIC. The moderators should be deeply ashamed of themselves, as should anyone who privately demanded it. I doubt seriously any complainer has a shred of writing talent.

Prove me wrong.


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Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

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#1163245 - 04/16/20 12:54 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
s. It takes something and that is called attracting an audience to them. Not everyone can do that.

MAB



Marc,

We see this constantly from Hollyweird movies that people don't want to see (the latest Ghostbusters movie for example). Even with all the power and money people have, if something sucks, they can't make people watch it once the news gets out that it sucks. Most of these blockbusters make nearly all their money from the first weekend and then from International releases on their first weekends. They also now censor bad reviews on sites like Rotten Tomatoes. They delete negative reviews or in some cases simply block ALL reviews from the public. We first saw this with Amy Schumers comedy special on Netflix. It was so awful and the reviews so horrendous they destroyed their entire ranking system which used to allow you to find films you like versus what they have now which nearly KEEPS you from finding films you might like. (It's truly bizarre because there are a lot of great films on there buried which never show up on your choices unless you specifically search for their titles). They so fear TRUTHFUL reviews by the general public they have destroyed nearly all ranking systems Internet wide. (At least all the ones with critical mass people using them). They used to similarly block independent music simply by claiming "limited shelf space" and then only showcasing stuff that was paid for. Circuit City which was a huge seller of music (they used it as a loss leader to sell other stuff when you came in for CD's, often at or near a loss) but the only profits they made were from the listening stations payola. We used to have a "staff favorites" listening station just in one store and we put what little Independent Music we had in stock that was great and it always outsold the mainstream stuff on the Listening stations. Then the labels complained and made us stop. Then we could only put up stuff on a specific payola list we were given. Even THEN they were unhappy with what we were choosing and selling as 1 little store out of 50 in one market was outselling "key" titles of crap they were pushing and hurting their "numbers." So it wasn't even good enough we were SELLING more product, they only wanted specific artists featured, even from their own labels.

So yes, things are fixed for the most part. Even if they could make more money selling choice Q out of an Alphabet of choices, they ONLY want it to be A, B or C.


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#1163246 - 04/16/20 12:56 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Originally Posted by couchgrouch
My comments were deleted?? Again??! What did I say that was wrong?? Please be specific. Was it that Prine died with the Wuhan Virus and not from it? Surely if such an idea was easily disproven, leaving it open for discussion would be the best way to squash it. Let people see how wrong I was.

A site dedicated to writing that deletes non-threatening comments isn't just contradictory, it's PATHETIC. The moderators should be deeply ashamed of themselves, as should anyone who privately demanded it. I doubt seriously any complainer has a shred of writing talent.

Prove me wrong.


I have no idea what you are referring to Couch.. I haven't deleted anything? I am dead serious.. NOTHING has been deleted by me. I don't think any of the moderators can even do it if you're talking about entire posts. Or did someone tell you they deleted something?


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#1163248 - 04/16/20 07:48 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Yes couch had a post that basicly said Prine didn't die of corona but with it, and that he died of lung cancer. He and I debated this, albeit, in not such a scholarly way, shortly thereafter both our comments were gone.

I have one guess who deleted it, but since I have matured, well beyond my years, I let it go.

Couch dealt with it in his usually fashion " the person who deleted this can't write"

Seems nobody can write... But we do have some nice parting gifts.

Frankly though, there are worse arguments right now on the forum.


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#1163250 - 04/16/20 09:08 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Brian, my post was deleted. I've had other posts deleted, as well.

As far as scholarly, speak for yourself, FD. My arguments were well mounted, including persuasive illustrations, which is probably why they were deleted. If those who disagreed were able to do the same, they wouldn't need to delete mine. That's where the poor writing comes in. This IS a writing forum, after all.

What was the person who complained afraid of? Or the person who deleted it?

The same thing happened on FB. Another person started a debate on my topic about conservatives and creativity, was losing spectacularly and, presto, all deleted.

Sad, for the complainer and FB.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1163251 - 04/16/20 10:31 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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But you were incorrect.... Medical professionals made the diagnosis and determination.

But I don't think it was deleted for that, but for peace sake.

Fighting on Facebook is almost as pointless as arguing here, only Facebook is worse. You know emotions are involved.

Having said that, there are worse arguments here.


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#1163254 - 04/16/20 11:55 AM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Doctors are being told to list ANY Covid-related death as being Covid caused. From Marc's own description of Prine's condition, it's obvious cancer was COD.

Please.

The Wuhan Armageddon isn't happening. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've gotta get back to CNN. Chris Cuomo may have chipped another tooth.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1163255 - 04/16/20 12:16 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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I would not normally be one to defend Facebook, but I noticed a good feature that they have added. So far, it only seems to be on the phone app, not Facebook.com. At the top of the screen you can tap on an information center that provides latest updates in terms of figures from reputable sources, links to recognized health authorities, including those of your state and county, and articles from real journalists from publications with intellectual integrity who try to tell the truth instead of spreading the distortions and wild conspiracy theories that have fueled arguments here and elsewhere (yes, that would be "fake news" to some of the red hat brigade). They also have prominently displayed buttons for fact-checking by various organizations, including APP. I think I read somewhere that they have made an agreement for a similar service from Reuters, so I guess that will be coming.

So, on this occasion, I tip my hat to Facebook. It isn't red, and it isn't covered in tin foil, so I suppose you can guess where I stand on these arguments, but I see no point in getting embroiled in them. Just pointing out that even the often justifiably maligned Mr. Zuckerberg can try to do the right thing.

#1163256 - 04/16/20 12:59 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Couch, if I punch a hemophiliac in the mouth, and he bleeds to death, I caused it, even if the medical cause is blood loss.

No covid, no hospitalization, no death. Not immediately. So covid was the punch in the mouth.

If course he was vulnerable, no argument there.

Marcs description can't be any greater than his own wife and family

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#1163259 - 04/16/20 01:36 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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False analogy. A hemophiliac's primary COD wouldn't be listed as a punch if he died under those circumstances, circumstances that are highly unlikely.

Prine was a smoker ( his own choice) who lost part of his jaw to cancer. What's next? Keith Richards ODs and his COD is listed as Covid?

Just stop.

If hospitals list Covid as COD, they are reimbursed quicker and in many cases, 15% more. This is incentive to LIE, leading to rampant fraud, not to mention media dishonesty.

None of the models' predictions are coming true. Which begs the question...what of the models predicting CLIMATE EXTINCTION?

They're doomsday cults, complete with false prophesies, a strict orthodoxy and a clergy that deletes dissenters.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1163266 - 04/16/20 03:08 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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False analogy? I know a kid who died in basketball court cause he was a hemophilliac, he got got a gash on his forehead and bled to death.

Basketball didn't cause it, the other kid didnt, but if he didn't play basketball wouldn't have happened.

So he smoked?

Why hasn't Keith Richards died then? He doesn't have the virus

It's a complex pattern of cause and affect. Why don't you write John Prines wife on Twitter or facebook, and tell her husband didn't die from covid 19, and she and her doctor are mistaken

Perhaps people get mad cause you show no sensitivity or respect for the people who died, even if you were right....

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#1163278 - 04/16/20 05:11 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Knowing a kid who was a hemophiliac is irrelevant. What was listed as the COD?

The question isn't, why hasn't Keef died, but why hasn't Tom, Rita, Idris, Cuomo and various other rapping, tooth chipping celebs died?

BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EITHER TERMINALLY ILL OR 88 YEARS OLD.

And by not fear mongering, I AM showing sensitivity. It's those who are deliberately distorting the truth who lack sensitivity.

Let's take your illustration further...a wimp punches a hemophiliac, he bleeds out and dies. Then, the wimp goes around boasting he has a lethal right cross, with 99% of the press repeating his claim without question, knowing it sells papers.

The small percentage who are skeptical are then accused of being insensitive.

Just stop.

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Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1163279 - 04/16/20 05:24 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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You're making a pointless argument.

No covid, prine is still here today, flu could kill him too, but he had covid 19. he

Point of keef is if he got covid and died, covid killed him or triggered death in HIM, because nothing has killed him yet.

It's a trigger, you can't grasp the concept so I'll give you the last word.

#1163316 - 04/17/20 02:29 PM Re: John Prine, RIP [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Okay, I get both of your Gists. So STOP it. Nothing new is being added.

For my part, I deleted nothing. I now know who did, but it is clear from above we haven't missed anything.

Fact: Birx bluntly admitted that ANYONE dying WITH CV will be listed as having DIED from CV. Same has come from many others in States. It is a FACT, not up for debate. If anyone doubts it you haven't paid any attention nor have you watched the briefings or looked it up. How this is a left/right thing is beyond me. It isn't. It is truth or not truth. I saw them make these statements with my own eyes.

Argument over. Moving on.


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