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#1162310 - 03/22/20 11:00 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Kaufman
Here's my prediction: within one month, US hospitals are going to be overwhelmed in a way you've never seen in your lifetime, by patients in real need, leading us to make hard choices about who gets life-saving treatment and who does not get life-saving treatment.

If I'm wrong, I'll come back and admit it, and I'll say I was hysterical. And if I'm right, I will wish I was not.



In our history that has ALWAYS meant that you take the sickest, most needy people first. They've ALWAYS done that with organ transplants for example. People sickest jump the line daily.

IF we see this shift to "you're already sick and you're over X years old and your TAX VALUE isn't what this healthier 34 year old's is, so you must die" then our society has lost it's way forever and I fear will never be put back in that bottle. And folks, I think we're an inch away from being there.

Anyone outside the current tax base will be the first to be cut off. Anyone younger who is chronically ill, or fighting a major illness (incl. any type of cancer, diabetes Type 1 & 2, Asthma, etc. will be next regardless of age. Then Children come next if they are under manual labor ages. Finally people of whatever ruling class then in charge will pick the slaves they wish to save.

Anyone here agree with this process? I don't but what if the entire population was at risk of total collapse? It WILL happen. Only the "elites" will be protected, as they ALREADY ARE!

Guess who were the first tested? Pro Athletes. Movies Stars. Politicians. RICH PEOPLE.

Want to hear the most depressing news item?

They wasted a precious test on HARVEY WEINSTEIN! Someone in jail for life, gets a test? Why? Because in the end, the ELITE protect their own.


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#1162311 - 03/23/20 07:37 AM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Sad to say Brian but you are right. In the animal kingdom it is the survival of the fittest, but with us it is the survival of the richest. In the near future, one quarter to one half of the earth's population will die from pestilence, famine and war. This could be the start now, only time will tell. People are not taking it seriously enough, I've seen on the news crowded beaches, mostly young people, crowded stores, crowded streets, etc. I don't know if they don't know how serious it is or don't care. The young think they are invincible but their parents and grand parents are not. People in grocery stores show how greedy they can be, much of the fresh fruit and vegetables will spoil before they can eat it, they have enough toilet tissue to last a year, hopefully this pandemic won't last a year. Even if it does, I'm sure the stores will replenish their stock many time in that year. I live on an Island with a population of about 500,000, 90% of the food we use comes in by truck and ship. They say at any one time there is only about 7 to 10 days food supply on this Island. Thank God the people here didn't rush out and buy a months supply of food, because that would mean many people would have nothing. We have some people that did that but most bought what they need from week to week. It takes something like this to show the true colours of people, most times it shows their bad traits, sometimes it shows their good traits. Very thin line between love and hate, greed and generosity. Stay well.


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#1162314 - 03/23/20 08:04 AM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I am very proud of the young folks from Europe here in Fiji.

One group of young Germans have said they will self isolate and not visit their parents when they get home. Another group of 10 young Spanish people have decided to stay here for a month and get a house together and sit it out.

I get annoyed when I see media reports where "young" people are not doing the right thing ( because essentially they are immune ) but they are very caring of the elders of whom they could infect.

Go young folks ! You are probably more responsible and better informed than your elders.

cheers, niteshift

#1162322 - 03/23/20 10:37 AM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Being rich is part of being the fittest. Rich people have more resources to offer, that is still why some women go for rich men, they offer security.

Who else? Healthier youth, needed to continue the population, passing on healthy genes to the future generations.

I took ethics class. A doomsday situation was outlined, we were asked to rank the importance of remaining people and who we would recruif.

We all got schooled on the reality of life. Everybody said not to take along a hooker. Teacher said, "sounds like a survivor to me".

Emotions have no role, grandma and grandpa are of little value to the future of mankind. Unhealthy people neither. Healthy, good looking, wealthy people will always be picked first. That is, if the elite can enforce the law.

It's sad and sobering, but evolution was sad and cruel too.

That said, I bet all pro athletes who need elective surgery, will get them without restriction.

Your best strategy is to keep immune system strong. Get good sleep, exercise, wash hands and laugh.

Well be ok.

#1162326 - 03/23/20 01:00 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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So I am actually surrounded by doctors. My wife, my sister, my brother in law, my daughter in law....

The key for them is the expected spread...its especially virulent...and the various mortality rates. As people here point out, it hits older people and those with certain medical conditions much much harder than anyone else.

For those who pooh pooh this, look at the evidence. There is a very steep transmission curve and although it cannot be yet determined what the actual "scientific" mortality rate is due to various factors (undiagnosed mild cases for example), anecdotal evidence does suggest it hovers around 3 to 4 percent of the general population with much higher rates for "clusters" in, for example nursing homes.

So as the numbers rise...although it is good to know that generally speaking 96% survive, what is really going on is that as people age, the death rate is much higher and survivor rates plummet from 96% downwards

But the "general" number appears to be as follows

cases 100,000 ....expected mortality 4,000
cases 1,000,000.....expected mortality 40,000
cases 10,000,000.....expected mortality 400,000
cases 100,000,000.....expected mortality 4,000,000

PRIMARILY OLDER PEOPLE & THOSE WITH CERTAIN CHRONIC CONDITIONS

The world's population is around 7.8 billion. Something called "herd immunity" develops as more and more people catch a virus or disease the body can fight with antibodies. Absent drugs that can fight the infection, the "herd" gets "culled" and the remaining population gains immunity, at least for a period of time. Now that happens by people going through the disease, or with vaccinations. The key is to gain immunity for a sufficient number of people so that the remainder of the population is less prone to its transmission.

But left unchecked, at maximum we lose 4% of almost 8 billion people which is 320 MILLION people...primarily seniors. (the Spanish flu killed 50 million) We can quible about the numbers but based on TODAYs evidence, that is close. Quibling would involve factoring in when exactly her immunity is achieved. the number appears to be about 70%, so lets say its not 320 Million but 70% of that (not good math but it illustrates the point). Still almost 225 MILLION.

Now that is WITHOUT intervention which is happening. Governments are ramping up production of medical supplies and equipment, researching vaccines etc and mandating people stop interacting in larger groups.

Social distancing does a few things
1) slows down the rate of viral infection which is good in itself, but is key to not overwhelming a medical system, giving countries time to scale up production of medical equipment and supplies...and moving patients trhough the system, researching vaccines etc

2) keeps vulnerable people safer. It's not foolproof, as nothing really is..but limiting the opportunity for exposure is key

3) it actually gives us a "psychic boost" in terms of taking some control back.


Given all this, there is no real need to panic. We are being asked to think of the elderly because that is what a caring society does. And social distancing works. The virus burns out if it cannot spread so using strategies based on "limiting physical proximity" make sense. It's why medical staff needs personal protection equipment to ensure there is a physical, impermeable barrier between themselves and their patients.

Now I am not trying to say the sky is falling. All I am saying is treat this episode of our lives with the necessary "respect" it deserves.





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#1162332 - 03/23/20 03:49 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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According to Idris Elba's interview with Oprah, he has virtually no symptoms (how and why was he even tested?), and yet wants us to know the virus is "real".

The media inspired panic is what's harming the US.


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#1162333 - 03/23/20 03:58 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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It's a bit like Russian roulette.

I think the unknown is the biggest factor. We assume this is like the flu, we don't know. We assume it will find its course, we don't know. We assume !lockdown will stop it... New Jersey reported 900 new cases today. Maybe 50 get critically ill, and maybe 2 die?

We don't know if this will be back stronger. It's a new viruses, never seen a mutation like this.
The celebrities who have gotten total maybe 10? Not a great cross section.

This is Not the flu. That's why they are tracking it so closely

#1162334 - 03/23/20 04:27 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Professor Hugh Montgomery explains one dramatic difference between the flu and the coronavirus.

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4/videos/205350940692388/?v=205350940692388


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#1162335 - 03/23/20 04:37 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Couch, get with the program here. Just because Idris did not feel anything, or escaped relatively unscathed just means he is lucky given his age, health, and access to health care.

And it is NOT a media inspired panic at all. The real problem is that no one trusts Trump or his government except his loyal sycophants. Fox News was in lockstep with Trump in denying there was a problem...,.all this elapsed time allowed the virus to spread. But let's not throw blame. Lots of time for looking back later.

For now, we know there is a large outbreak in the US. Where it goes we will know only after the fact given the incubation period. People think they are well, but are infectious as hell and just keep passing it on.

So do as the health professionals tell you. Keep your distance from people and practice personal and proximal hygiene. Full stop


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#1162338 - 03/23/20 04:50 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Again John that's the protocol for flu, it's still experimental here.

And I'm not a big Trump supporter, but I don't think trust in Trump has anything to do with it. I'm actually surprised trump is doing all he's doing, he wants to give Americans money, when others don't want him to. And this is a global pandemic, don't make it about trump.

#1162340 - 03/23/20 05:08 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Yeah Donna, the contagiousness is the big difference. And it may take millions of cases to produce significant death and illness, and it's still possible cause of how it spreads.

#1162341 - 03/23/20 05:20 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Not sure I understand your reference to "protocol for the flu, it's still experimental"

Quarantine has ALWAYS been a go to solution for highly contagious deseases. If the virus has no place to go, it burns out. It absolutely needs a host. And it is, be definition, influenza because it attacks the respiratory system and comes from a virus. So "social distancing" and quarantine helps prevent its spread.


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#1162342 - 03/23/20 05:32 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I'm saying it's anew virus, not much is known, maybe quarantines don't work. Maybe the more people it comes in contact with, the weaker it gets. Maybe not.

The assumption. Is the other way. But it's not the flu.
It's not slowing down here despite lockdown. I think if subways aren't closed, it's not effective, they are not yet.

#1162343 - 03/23/20 05:41 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Happy to call it an infectious disease Fd.....and I agree it is new

But indicators are that isolation works. The lockdown in China serves as a good example.

And if it is still spreading despite the lockdown only means folks had it before they went into "personal quarantine" The illness only gets 'real" after several days...so folks who are now ill despite isolating themselves like had it before taking action.

But quis sais. I expect we will learn a lot more about it over the next months.

Stay safe


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#1162345 - 03/23/20 05:48 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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We've had lockdown basicly since a week ago and we did t have many cases at all. Since the lockdown 500 to 1000 new cases every day. No evidence it would have been worse now. I'm just saying not all illnesses are the same
We have to do it, it's all we have but we don't know for sure

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#1162346 - 03/23/20 05:57 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I never mentioned Fox News or Trump. I do know Trump put a travel ban on China quite a while ago, and was rewarded by being called a "racist".

None of which is relevant to what I said. Elba's fine. He doesn't need special access to healthcare. Tom and Rita are fine, as are all the other high profile people who've contracted it.

Speaking of which, Daniel Dae Kim was treated with Tamiflu, an inhaler, some other stuff and the malaria med Trump held out hope for. Kim's fine.

There is a difference between the Wuhan Virus and the flu...the flu is much worse.


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#1162347 - 03/23/20 06:02 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Worse but maybe not as contagious....

#1162348 - 03/23/20 07:48 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Exponents matter.

“There were many, many opportunities not to end up where we are...basically, they took this as business as usual. ... And that’s because the messaging from the White House was ‘this is not a big deal, this is no worse than the flu.’ So that message basically created no sense of urgency within the FDA or the CDC to fix it.”

https://apnews.com/c335958b1f8f6a37b19b421bc7759722

#1162350 - 03/23/20 07:55 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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I have watched an hour of today's coronavirus task force meeting and trump is doing very well. He is coachable after all, I guess. I will never like the guy, but I can give credit where credit is due. I don't fully blame trump for the market meltdown, but I never gave him full credit for the rise either.


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It's always easy to look intelligent with the benefit of hindsight.

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#1162355 - 03/23/20 08:50 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Mark it probably isn't worse than the flu, it's just more contagious.

Even if we knew it was coming, How could you stop it?

Even now with all the coverage, people are not cooperating. Yeah, they'll buy 24 cans of tuna fish and 19 cans of peanut butter, but they'll be darned if they have to stay inside.

And anytime a Republican is willing to hand out 2 trillion, you have to at least credit them for temporary decency and humanity.

Hell, it wouldnt have surprised me if he had stepped down during this crisis, not want t anything to do with it. He surprised me.

I think if anyone thought this would hurt him, it might actually help him.

It still remains to be seen if all the plans are followed through....

#1162356 - 03/23/20 08:56 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Couch and FD....here is info you can use....FD...it takes far less than "millions" to result in significant deaths...Couch, here is Johns Hopkins' straight goods


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Note the average mortality rate IS 4% which is higher than the flu. Note too Couch, that just because there's not a lot in Arizona does not mean the USA is escaping this

What we are facing is a highly contagious pandemic with a 4% death rate....primarily concentrated in older, chronically ill people. Younger people get off relatively unscathed. But there are definite exceptions as there are deaths in all but the youngest age groups.

So again, just because you can mention a few of the 96% who got through it does not mean 4 out of a hundred people will NOT die


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#1162358 - 03/23/20 09:16 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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John in New Jersey there are 2900 cases with 21 deaths, that's not 4%, it's not even 1%. New York has 22,000 with 145 deaths

Not even 1% in either of the two worst states in us.

That said, your painting me and couch with the same brush. If you don't think I take this seriously and I'm not concerned you haven't been reading my posts

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#1162359 - 03/24/20 09:07 AM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Sorry FD, bad reading, mixed messages smile

WRT stats for NJ and NY, it MAY be a bit premature to determine the mortality rate because it is not yet over. Do hope you are right, that it is a higher proportion of the "sage groups" that are hit.


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#1162360 - 03/24/20 10:40 AM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Time to pay more attention to what's really happening than to our preferred opinions and say-sos, because these silent skies are staying for a long season, and this economic slowdown is going to grind on beyond our pocketbooks' capacity to keep living the normal life. Global depression looks unstoppable to me, so adjust your plans accordingly if you see the same.

#1162361 - 03/24/20 11:39 AM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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A financial advisor said on TV last night, that you should set aside enough savings to last 6-12 months. This is a cushion everyone should've had. Though it's a little late now to be saving. Nice advice, but you're a day late and a dollar short.

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#1162362 - 03/24/20 12:40 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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A good friend of mine is a financial advisor, he's written two books. I'll ask him

Last time I talked to him he was simply asking if everything was ok

Being that vast majority of people live check to check,, that does sound feasible.

Thats why the lockdown will end before the virus doez

#1162373 - 03/25/20 07:12 AM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Here in Canada we have a Liberal government trying to pass a bill that will give them powers to spend unlimited amounts of money for the next two years without having to get permission of the house to do so. At least that is the way it looks to me. If the opposition gives in, the Liberals can spend trillions of dollars without having to give explanation of where those dollars go. This could bankrupt the country. They have a minority government and if it goes to a vote of confidence, the government will fall, forcing an election. An election in a time of crisis will not only be ridiculous but will most likely put the Liberals back in power with a majority government to do what ever they like. A no win situation, we could end up like Cuba or Venezuela. God help us. I hope I am reading this wrong, I am no specialist on how governments work.

#1162378 - 03/25/20 12:13 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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In line at Safeway this AM before it opened. No one was talking about the Wuhan Virus, solar panels or CLIMATE EXTINCTION. They're concerned about providing for their families.

CNN claiming a guy drank fish tank cleaner because it contained the same chemical as a malaria med is a despicable lie. The chemicals are different. The man tested positive for "stupid".

I stand by what I said, the media inspired madness will end up being worse than the virus, which so far, has been less of a threat to life than seasonal flu.

A local news station breathlessly reported an Arizona man died of the Wuhan Virus. Fortunately, I watched another channel that said the man was elderly with pre-existing conditions.

Many of those in the media are liars.

Heed Job 12:11 and let your "ear test out words".

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other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

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#1162379 - 03/25/20 12:26 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Well, we can't say happily that it only kills elderly and people with pre existing conditions, so screw them.
They have to try and prevent mass people from getting it to protect those who can die from it.

The governor's of ny and nj can't be lying saying they need 30,000 respirators when they received 400. I mean many thousands are being treated in icu.

#1162380 - 03/25/20 12:33 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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No. Quarantine those at high risk and let the country get back to work before it's ruined beyond repair.

As for NY, next time its health bureaucrats shouldn't encourage people to ignore the Wuhan Virus and come on down to the Chinese Lunar New Year's parade. Woke idiocy.

Same with Italy. They have a large Chinese immigrant population and some moron told citizens to "hug a Chinese person" to combat "racism". That worked out well.

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Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

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#1162381 - 03/25/20 12:52 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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So you lose high risk people from the work force. Millions have asthma, diabetes and heart disease, all huge risks. Obese people too.

And it wasn't just Ny who didn't take it seriusly. The leader of the free world denied it too.

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#1162382 - 03/25/20 01:53 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Yup Couch, we must all bow down to the Almighty Dollar first and foremost, and let the devil take the hindmost.


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#1162383 - 03/25/20 01:54 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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If you mean Trump, he banned travel from China early on. And he didn't actively encourage people to attend a friggin Chinese parade.

It's hard for people to accuse Trump of ignoring the Wuhan Virus and at the same time accuse him of racism and xenophobia for not ignoring it.

The fact is, in my experience, people are far more concerned with losing their homes and livelihoods than being ill with flu-like symptoms for 10 days.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...es-common-flu-kills-thousands-every-year

That was March 9, since then an emergency has been called and he signed a 2 trillion deal for help. Why? Apparently he was wrong or else likes spending 2 trillion.

I don't blame trump, but his China ban was after it was here already.

You may not realize it, but you like Trump alot.

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#1162389 - 03/25/20 05:37 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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People in line at the grocery store are not in Intensive Care Units, which is really lucky for them. We have 235 ICU beds in Minnesota, and we're hoping to slow the progress of Covid-19 infections well enough and in time to prevent the need for 1000+ within weeks. Atlanta is at peak capacity.

The thing about flu deaths in the US is that we're not deciding them based on available ICU space. But that reality is inescapable for the US, and very shortly.

I hope the best for all of you. I know more and more people directly affected and it is a bastard, and if it kills you, be prepared to die alone...no visitors.

#1162390 - 03/25/20 05:43 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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- Select One - houston, texas...
Couldn't resist:

The sky is falling

Verse
Logic goes out the window
When panic takes control.
People act like they’re crazy.
As if they’ve lost their souls.
Pre chorus
Hysteria, hysteria.
A snowball rolling downhill.
A snowball rolling downhill.
Chorus
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
It’s the end of the world.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
It’s the end of the world.
Verse
Markets tumble in freefall.
The store shelves all go bare.
People rush to horde their goods.
Nobody thinks to share.
Pre chorus
Hysteria, hysteria.
A snowball rolling downhill.
A snowball rolling downhill.
Chorus
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
It’s the end of the world.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
It’s the end of the world.
Bridge
It spreads as if it’s a wildfire
Blown to a rage by the wind.
Could this be a warning from god?
A punishment for our sins.

#1162391 - 03/25/20 05:54 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Ck, that's very poorly written.

John, it's been a fact of human existence for thousands of years, it runs on commerce. Without jobs, there is no pay. Without pay there is no food or housing. Without that, people
WILL die. Infrastructure will disintegrate. When society does reintegrate, what will be among the first to start up? Solar panels!!! No, the barter system, then currency.

In order to keep our society intact and healthy, the economy must be stabilized. That's common sense.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1162392 - 03/25/20 06:38 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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All I know is New York and New Jersey are getting thousands of cases every day 5 k from yesterday.

They say we are three weeks away from peaking.
Getting back to work is important and vital but there is no way Easter this lockdown ends

#1162393 - 03/25/20 06:48 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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No issue with that argument Couch....except for a big but....

First off, MAYBE we are making too much of a big deal about it, but there is no question this pandemic is virulant and affects the elderly and chronically ill the most.

So let's say we set people back to work. Because isolation is the ONLY way to let this virus burn out, it WILL run its course through the population that is interacting closely. The virulence means that lots and lots of people will be infected. Now, many people WILL get past it. No doubt. But many will also die. In a population of 300 million, the EXPECTED rate of mortality is 12 million.

Now lets say we take your suggestion and isolate the elderly and chronically ill to try and minimize that percentage...it in fact sounds like a reasonable plan. But tell us where exactly will this be done? How will they be fed? Who will look after them? Under your scenario, the rest of the population will be infected and building up immunity. The isolated population will be at risk during and AFTER their isolation...having no immunity. They will be interacting with the non isolated.

So you have to be prepared that under your scenario, people who could have been saved will die. The medical system WILL be overwhelmed because many young people will also present themselves in ERs across the country.

That is why I was perhaps a bit too sarcastic with you.

And I expect you yourself will be fine. Not a big presence currently in Arizona, you are I think in your mid fiftees if I remember correctly, and I expect you can easily stay away from the infected.

But not everyone has that luxury.

WRT to people and money. Governments are bailing out the population. I do hope lots of money makes it into the hands of consumers vs business, because consumers will spend their government cheques and provide businesses with the cash flow they need.

We need the money to trickle UP because we absolutely know it does not trickle down.The big Trump tax cut to businesses was almost all used for share buybacks and dividends to business owners...while it was announced it should be great for employment and wages.






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The most vulnerable are people with Diabetes...millions, heart diseae...millions, asthma and copd...millions...people who received organ transplants, people on immune suppressive drugs, and cancer patients. You could not quarantine all of them, there would be no workers. Quarantining the elderly might work for them.

One thing it teaches us is how helpless we really are against viral and bacterial breakouts, we may actually be lucky this one wasn't as lethal as some can be.

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#1162395 - 03/25/20 07:20 PM Re: In reply to John's shout out.. corona virus [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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A big factor in this is that it's regional.
And the negative effects and whether resources are overwhelmed for a prolonged period of time will have a lot to do with where you are.
Half of this is on New York-30,811,
then NJ-4402 (which together could be considered a region.
Distant 3rd and 4th are WA and CA.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I dont know how this plays all the way out, but here in Texas-1105 , I am hoping that the crest wont be that bad and that the supplies and some effective drugs wont lag behind the outbreaks by too long.

I hope that everyone reading this is symptom free.

Martin

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Here in NJ I cant buy a box of pasta. No sooner do they fill the shelf and they are gone in 20 minutes. People haven't gotten the memo yet, food will still be available.

But we have it the worst here in NY, NJ area than anywhere else in the world to date, at least per population density.

Italy has the most people dying and they think that's cause a lot of Italy's young live with their parents and grand parents

It's weird so many report mild symptoms, others describe horror stories.

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We have 67 here with the virus, which doubled since the day before. Ages from 8 to 78. A 20 year old just died and a 12 year old is fighting for her life. If it mutates again it could be much worst for the young. The unknown is what makes this virus so scary. It might fizzle out or go crazy. So we fight it the best way we know how. We try to limit its host, which are us, to its exposure. No doubt the media are playing it up to the hilt, and no doubt this will soften the world up to accept world government. Tough times ahead. But we do what we must to survive.

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Martin, it is only regional for now but as a pandemic, by definition it spreads. So what is regional could very well be national next month. The numbers do not lie. Look at Europe right now. What started in Italy is all over Europe now as folks mixed and mingled during the incubation period of several days...a period when everyone still feels well

You have to look at the trend, not point in time data. And "hope" is not a strategy here. In order to prevent the spread doctors are simply urging you to do two things

1) stay home as much as you can
2) keep your distance from others

If the virus cannot spread, it burns out..

And your LT Gov is an idiot, saying old people are quite willing to die to save the economy for their grand children....essentially urging them to go back to work and accept the risk of dying. There are so many things to unpack here I'm not even going to bother.

Modern society should not be looking at acceptable levels of death to retain some economic status quo due to an outbreak like this.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Martin, it is only regional for now but as a pandemic, by definition it spreads. So what is regional could very well be national next month. The numbers do not lie. Look at Europe right now. What started in Italy is all over Europe now as folks mixed and mingled during the incubation period of several days...a period when everyone still feels well

You have to look at the trend, not point in time data. And "hope" is not a strategy here. In order to prevent the spread doctors are simply urging you to do two things

1) stay home as much as you can
2) keep your distance from others

If the virus cannot spread, it burns out..

And your LT Gov is an idiot, saying old people are quite willing to die to save the economy for their grand children....essentially urging them to go back to work and accept the risk of dying. There are so many things to unpack here I'm not even going to bother.

Modern society should not be looking at acceptable levels of death to retain some economic status quo due to an outbreak like this.





John

I am not diminishing the severity of the disease. I have washed my hands more times in the last two weeks than in the prior 67 years of my life. And will continue to do so until the graphs indicate flattening and descending occurrence rates. I dont get take-out. I dont want anyone touching anything that I eat other than my wife who appears symptom free. I go out twice a day and stay 6 feet and beyond from others.

But mitigation has started across the country, and the pandemic is not just running its natural course unimpeded. The ongoing infection rate is not what it would have been without that.
So I am hopeful that within the next 7-10 days, in Houston, it will plateau. I am hoping, for that reason, that it wont overwhelm staff and supplies in town here. The Houston mayor has done a good job of keeping rumor and hysteria in check..

In NY, they are looking at a massively larger infected population and a much bigger problem to deal with.

As for Patrick, always saw him as a vanity boy who saw an opportunity here to have his "Gipper" moment and his vanity would not let him pass on it. That's just to be ignored as aberrant noise.. If he wants to proceed without due caution and take one for the kiddies.. all I ask is that he stay away from me.


Thanks for your concern.
Stay safe. Listen to your relatives. I get good advice through medical friends and acquaintances. And I pay close attention to what they say.


Martin






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It's unreal here. They opened a drive through testing site at a college, and every day it has to shutdown due to cars backed up to test.I

They are now taking down basketball hoops cause kids are still doing pickup games. That's a lot of hoop downing. Basketball is a rite of passage for the youth. New York is the basketball mecca

I think it's regional only in relation to the amount of people in an area. NYC most people are so sardined the way we live. Has to be the hardest city to enforce social distancing. in my we got newark which some areas are not even allowed outside without emergency.

Yeah the concern is mutation and a second wave. If China gets a second wave well know our fate.

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Hey Martin et al...Here's a good list of practical things we can do ourselves.



1) Avoid crowds. Consider wearing light gloves in public ..especially when shopping

2) Stay away 2 to 3 steps away from people and avoid those who are sneezing or coughing

3) Avoid close contact with the elderly and people with weakened immune systems.

4) Avoid shaking hands and physical contact

5) Wash your hands frequently and thoroughly with soap or alcohol rub

6) Sneeze into a tissue or your elbow

7) Use paper tissues to handle public objects and dispose of them as needed

8) Avoid touching your face with your hands, which may have picked up the virus

9) If you have a cold, a cough, sore throat or a fever stay home. Avoid contact with others. Only call your doctor if your symptoms get worse.


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And one big step being advocated by health experts

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Before you take offence...it is meant to be funny.


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There really are no "safe zones", just "slower to see the virus zones".

Understand the concept of exponential growth...double a number, then double that, etc. That's demonstrably happening with infections. Count the daily number of infections in your state and grasp how quickly it keeps doubling. Every three days or so? Do the math. Then think about the timing of AMERICA'S GRAND REOPENING SALE—THIS EASTER! Be the first one to beat the crowd!

Hunker down, prepare for some self-sacrifice and inconvenience and desire for simple things you can't seem to find anymore. This is the life we always knew was coming someday, the harder one.

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