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#1161784 - 02/24/20 03:21 PM Fool To Love Her  
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This is meant as a kind of conversation between the singer and the voice in his head.

Click to listen at SoundCloud

Really the voice in the head should be sung by either backing singers or a duet partner. Here I have differentiated by giving the voice in the head a chorus effect and moving him to the left in the mix. Obviously, that effect would be lost if listening in mono, so probably best to use headphones.

All feedback and comments much appreciated as always.


FOOL TO LOVE HER
(Words & Music by Gavin Sinclair)

I wake up in the morning, try to go back to sleep
Just forget her - thingsíll get better
Every dayís a mountain, this oneís too steep
Sheís only in your head because you let her
So I make myself some coffee
Wonder what sheís doing now
Is she thinking of me?
I donít think so somehow

I-I-I-Iím a fool to love her
Look at you, you big old fool
I know I should, but I canít get her out of my head
Yeah, yeah, you wish you were dead
She told me I was a tool and it was over
She knows what sheís talking about
But if she came back Iíd forget every word that she said

Sweater back to front, shoes on the wrong feet
Come on buddy, pull yourself together
Turn the wrong way down a one way street
Is that some kind of a lame-ass metaphor?
No, I really did it
Look hereís the ticket I got
Youíll probably say Iím an idiot
Yeah, Iíll bet you get that a lot

I-I-I-Iím a fool to love her
Yes you are, youíre not wrong there
I know I should, but I canít get her out of my head
Thatís what happens when you donít take your meds
She told me I was a tool and it was over
She really knows what sheís talking about
But if she came back Iíd forget every word that she said
Oh, for crying out loud

Who are you, whatcha doing in my head?
Iím the voice of reason
Canít you try saying something nicer instead
Some folks there just ainít to pleasiní
Youíre a bit of a downer
What I needís a kind word or two
Thatís not why I come round here
But Iíll see what I can do


I-I-I-Iím a fool to love her
She was a fool to let you go
How was that?
Thank you, thatís much better
This feels wrong, but it's your song
She told me I was a tool and it was over
She donít know what sheís talking about
But if she came back Iíd forget every word that she said
No really, thereís no chance of that

You had to go and ruin it, didn't you?

#1161922 - 02/26/20 11:20 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Haha That's funny I don't care who you are. smile
Together/metaphor - now there's a rhyme for ya.
I enjoyed this one - very entertaining.
I think the response voice should be pushed further left, and maybe do a high pass filter on it so it sounds like an old radio voice?
That would make it stand out better IMHO.
Also I know it's hard but it could stand a haircut in length for folks with a short attention span like me smile
But the back and forth with the voice in his head is a hoot - very creative smile
Paul

#1161923 - 02/26/20 11:46 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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I really really enjoyed this song, it was so wholesome and made me really happy
Incredible job on the lyrics! I loved how the two voices interact. Well done!

#1161938 - 02/27/20 10:50 AM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: PaulCanuck]  
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Originally Posted by PaulCanuck
Haha That's funny I don't care who you are. smile
Together/metaphor - now there's a rhyme for ya.
I enjoyed this one - very entertaining.
I think the response voice should be pushed further left, and maybe do a high pass filter on it so it sounds like an old radio voice?
That would make it stand out better IMHO.
Also I know it's hard but it could stand a haircut in length for folks with a short attention span like me smile
But the back and forth with the voice in his head is a hoot - very creative smile
Paul

Thanks so much for the feedback, Paul. I did try a kind of radio effect on the response voice and didn't like the way it sounded, but I could probably do it a little more subtly and achieve the desired effect. I'm hoping I get some other suggestions from folks here before I get to work on that.
Regarding the length, at just under 4 minutes, it's not super long, but I do prefer to keep it closer to 3:30 when I can. The only way I can see to trim it would be to cut verse 3 in half or replace it with a shorter bridge. That would save about 18 seconds, but I think it would lose something lyrically. My hope is that the sing-along chorus makes it feel shorter than it is smile

#1161947 - 02/27/20 04:47 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Hi Gavin,
I really like the lyric and how you perform this song. I haven`t heard a song arranged like this for some time, it was a treat to listen. Lane


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#1161955 - 02/27/20 08:37 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Thank you DeMoni and Lane. I'm glad you enjoyed the song. It was fun to write and record - one of those rare songs that kind of writes itself once you get into it smile

#1162021 - 03/01/20 11:28 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Gavin,

First off, itís a terrific write . . . some killer lines from first to last. I think youíve gotten some good feedback regarding the feedback voice. Itís not distinctive enough on this go-sround. My instinct is to go with a more ďradio tubeĒ type sound. Easier said than done . . . but I love the tuneójust needs that clear differentiation to put it over the top.

Lot to like about this one!

Regards,

Deej

#1162032 - 03/02/20 02:00 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Deej56]  
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Originally Posted by Deej56
Gavin,

First off, itís a terrific write . . . some killer lines from first to last. I think youíve gotten some good feedback regarding the feedback voice. Itís not distinctive enough on this go-sround. My instinct is to go with a more ďradio tubeĒ type sound. Easier said than done . . . but I love the tuneójust needs that clear differentiation to put it over the top.

Lot to like about this one!

Regards,

Deej

Thanks Deej, glad you enjoyed it. The general consensus seems to be that I should make it easier to distinguish between the two voices. I'd appreciate any suggestions from folks here as to how best to do that. I have some ideas myself, but would appreciate input from others.

My approach to this has evolved. Originally, it was to be a musical conversation between lead singer and back-up singers (I still think that would be fun if it was ever done live) or with a duet partner. Then I started to think it might be better if the voice in the head was recognizably the same person as the lead singer, giving rise to the challenge of how to do this while allowing the listener to know which is which. To some extent this can be done by moving the voice in the head to the left in the mix, but obviously this would not be much good if anyone was listening on a mono device, and feedback here would seem to suggest that it's not enough, even with extra chorus type effects thrown in. So...any suggestions welcome!

#1162033 - 03/02/20 02:41 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Hi Kevin.
You could try speaking the responses rather than singing them with a tad of reverb maybe.
Should go down well in the pub.

Vic


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#1162067 - 03/04/20 05:17 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Loved listening to it..made me smile too.. Great work..

glyn

#1162087 - 03/05/20 03:29 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Vicarn]  
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Originally Posted by Vicarn
Hi Kevin.
You could try speaking the responses rather than singing them with a tad of reverb maybe.
Should go down well in the pub.

Vic

Thanks Vic. I already have quite a bit of reverb in there. I'll keep working on it. Not sure why this would go down well in the pub, except that, come to think of it, everything goes down well in the pub smile

#1162368 - 03/24/20 03:21 PM Re: Fool To Love Her [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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I can only imagine how well this would work in a pub... almost anywhere. As others have said, Gavin... very creative. Best of luck with it, my friend. Enjoyed my listen.

----Dave


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