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#1161907 - 02/26/20 12:28 PM Someone needs to do Demos...  
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Just learnt that Mike is no longer doing that, and it was a great bargain for people who cant record or dont have a vision for their song beyond the basics.

He helped alot of people take songs from bare knuckles into something decent. Although I was critical of the overall usefullness of BIAB, he sure helped make some winners out of clay.

Who will be the next Mike? If people dont have a way to record their songs they will lose interest.

Any other BIAB experts? people needing a few bucks on the side?

#1161928 - 02/27/20 07:41 AM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I used Michael's service and was quite happy with it. I'm one of those that can write but my singing and playing ability is limited to say the least. I can put the song down enough to get the melody across and leave it to someone that are blest with more musical and vocal skills than I have. The demo studios I've checked on have increased their prices beyond my price range so I think I'll bow out of doing demos all together. I have about 600 plus songs demoed, still have three times that many without demos, but at my age I'll never make back what I've invested unless a miracle happens and I get a hit, but I'm not holding my breath, especially the way the music industry is today.

#1161931 - 02/27/20 08:13 AM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Just learnt that Mike is no longer doing that, and it was a great bargain for people who cant record or dont have a vision for their song beyond the basics.

He helped alot of people take songs from bare knuckles into something decent. Although I was critical of the overall usefullness of BIAB, he sure helped make some winners out of clay.

Who will be the next Mike? If people dont have a way to record their songs they will lose interest.

Any other BIAB experts? people needing a few bucks on the side?


Found this gig on fiverr. He does music for songs but without vocals as far as I can see.... £40.59 for 3 mins plus fiverr commission.

https://www.fiverr.com/the_vicken/c...is_pro=false&context_alg=text_to_gig

I haven't used him but his pricing seems worth a go and there are loads of tracks on fiverr that he has done to listen to. Maybe he will mix in the vocals as well.. who knows

He also has a soundcloud page to listen to.

https://soundcloud.com/vicken-jimenez

Be your own judge

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#1161933 - 02/27/20 10:15 AM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I miss seeing Mike around here. He is one of the most incisive and helpful commenters, very generous with his knowledge and experience. I think I got more solid, actionable advice from him than anyone, and always cheerfully delivered.

#1161934 - 02/27/20 10:17 AM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Just learnt that Mike is no longer doing that, and it was a great bargain for people who cant record or dont have a vision for their song beyond the basics.

He helped alot of people take songs from bare knuckles into something decent. Although I was critical of the overall usefullness of BIAB, he sure helped make some winners out of clay.

Who will be the next Mike? If people dont have a way to record their songs they will lose interest.

Any other BIAB experts? people needing a few bucks on the side?


Found this gig on fiverr. He does music for songs but without vocals as far as I can see.... £40.59 for 3 mins plus fiverr commission.

https://www.fiverr.com/the_vicken/c...is_pro=false&context_alg=text_to_gig

I haven't used him but his pricing seems worth a go and there are loads of tracks on fiverr that he has done to listen to. Maybe he will mix in the vocals as well.. who knows

He also has a soundcloud page to listen to.

https://soundcloud.com/vicken-jimenez

Be your own judge

God Bless

Roy


I dont need a demo guy, my songs are for me to record, but I also have at least 100 or so songs that I wouldnt record myself...I sent myself a rejection letter! Some songs are just creative exercises and not something I get behind. I have alot of those lying around and would be fun to see what somebody does.

The important part for especially lyric only people is that its affordable. They will stop visiting here if they dont have demos to share.



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#1161958 - 02/27/20 09:01 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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what happened to Mike?


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1161970 - 02/28/20 02:47 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I think Mike moved on Couch. He really was the go to guy here. He finished some songs for me, they would never have amounted to much of anything without His work. He will be missed. Lane


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#1161973 - 02/28/20 07:11 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Ahh, ok. Well, I wish him the best. He was a fantastic producer. Nurse Yes, Gone with the Ghost of the Sun, Fade to Blonde and Strange Apparitions among others would have suffered greatly without, not only.his talent, but his vast knowledge of musical styles.

I was concerned he was ill. Vaya Con Rios, Mike... smile


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1162022 - 03/01/20 11:30 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Hi, all:

Mike was an amazing talent . . . Iím happy for him that heís moved on to better things, but heíll be missed here. Heís one of the many people who graciously welcomed me to JPF when I first joined. My best to you, Mike . . . Know that youíve done so much for so many who love music, with dreams of hearing their words put to song.

On the broader question, I donít think there will be a next Mike. From a pure business perspective, I would guess that the amount of time it takes to ďproduceĒ a song (in BIAB, for example) relative to the fees that one may be able to charge for those efforts is not commensurate. Iím a novice to BIAB, but I can tell you regardless I spend at least 20 hours working on a song until Iím comfortable enough to make it public . . . and even then, itís flawed. Experts are very likely to be far more efficient than I, but itís still a ton of work.

I donít know what Mike charged for his services, but I would hazard to guess far less than what it might cost for a demo . .. and I would also guess, relatively speaking, far less than value Mike delivered.

It would be wonderful thing to have another Milke Zaneski on the board . . , just not sure weíll see the likes of his talent and support again.

My thoughts for what they are worth.

Regards,

Deej

#1162030 - 03/02/20 12:20 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Totally agree Deej. There's much more to Mike than just knowing his way around BIAB. That's really only one tool towards producing a great track. He clearly knows his stuff when it comes to musical theory and production, not to mention a natural talent that some folks just have. Whatever he's up to these days, I'm sure he'll make a success of it.

#1162031 - 03/02/20 12:30 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Oh there's no doubt that the reward does not equal the time invested, unless you have nothing else to do. People dont realize how much work is involved

Mikes voice and harmonies helped make the songs better and available to people who dont sing.

It's still BIAB no matter how you look at it, BIAB is playing all the isntruments. Some folks are not even able to get an acoustic guitar demo fo their songs cause they dont play.

Using BIAB to generate a basic acoustic strum pattern and sing over it, is still light years of somebody playing an out of tune guitar who cant play it and cant sing, and does not know how basic chord progressions work.

There could be a next Mike, we're not here to make a competition out of it, where here to help people realize a song they wrote.

Not sure why Mike is not able to come to the forum suddenly, that is what is happening with all the rest of people who dont come here any more

Im getting bored myself. Stop making it a eulogy to Mike, we all wish him well, but we were just talking about how the site was going under and losing members, well there ya go

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#1162034 - 03/02/20 04:18 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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your just trolling for a fight...


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#1162035 - 03/02/20 06:05 PM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: lane1777]  
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Originally Posted by lane1777


your just trolling for a fight...


No im not, I told Brian people come here when there is something in it for them. No more demos, no reason to come....

Why does it mean Mike has gone from the site, simply because he's not doing demos?

And other people get decent results with biab, lyric only people would be delighted.

Their Forum for song demos is always full and new people posting all the time. Why? Because people have a chance to be heard https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=50&page=1

BTW, I see Floyd hangs out there now

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#1162038 - 03/03/20 08:26 AM Re: Someone needs to do Demos... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Posted this on the other thread as well :

I'm not a professional musician, but if you like what you hear on these, message me and I may be able to do demos for you. I played all the instruments here, sometimes with live drums, sometimes with drum machines :

https://open.spotify.com/album/5AgxPZyxVlVWJhooJVIE3t

https://open.spotify.com/album/75xxr9bOsMf4hFxANVJfz7

https://www.facebook.com/bratcavedorkestra/


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