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I came across this, could this be real? People willing to do session work for 5 dollars? lol. They sound strong enough to do a nice recording, im just wondering if im missing something...big. Some guys want 150 a track, but the average is like 25, which is great.

Ill do all the writing, singing, guitar, even program my own drums, but real bass players, piano players, strings, horns would be great!

Have I found my session band for this years album? Anyone tried it?

https://www.fiverr.com/categories/music-audio/session-musicians

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I used them once for a drum track or two a few years back--it was certainly worth five bucks!

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Iv'e been using fiverr for years, but not for music. Most of my images and animations and translations and even patents were done on fiverr, although mostly I still edit and change to suit my own work.

I have only been let down once.

I tend to find a new boy/person on the block because they are always a much better deal and will always go the extra mile.

just my thoughts

ps. I did once find a guy who could listen to a song (1 of mine) then write the sheet music for chiors, 3 violins 3 pianos, vocals etc.

I got sheet music for every instrument and vocals and played on the instruments as well for samples.

amazing results.

When I had images done for a music video I found that if I asked for a image with lots of mixed content, I could often divide it into 3 or 4 separate images, saving money.



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Wondering... will they sign-off all rights to the take they send you?

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Wondering... will they sign-off all rights to the take they send you?

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When fiverr first started the default was that any person offering services automatically gave up the copyright in favor of the client. ie.

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Who Owns the Copyright?
On the Fiverr platform, buyers are granted all rights for the delivered work, unless otherwise specified by the seller on their Gig page.

Note: Some Gigs charge additional payments (through Gig Extras) for commercial use.

This means that if you purchase the Gig for personal use, you will own all rights to the delivered work without purchasing the Extra. If you intend to use it for business purposes, you will need to buy the Extra. Fiverr retains the right to use all published delivered works for Fiverr marketing and promotion purposes. If you have more questions, visit our complete Terms of Service.
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https://buyers.fiverr.com/en/article/copyright-and-intellectual-property-rights

I see that now although a service has to offer some sort of deal for a fiver, most offer advanced deals for more realistic price.

and often now, a small extra is asked for commercial copyright. usually an extra $10 to $30.

I always send a contact message asking for a final cost and if copyright is mine.

they will also agree not to use the work in their sample page after its finished if you un-tick the relevant box on completion.

hope that helps

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Thanks Roy! Some things to think about...

The person I'm considering is willing to sign a musician waiver & release form. However, the point you made about fiveer wanting addition fees and possible future fees could be problematic. I would want fiveer to sign a waiver as well. Something like this may work: http://schicksville.com/Waiver%20Agreement.doc

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Thanks Roy! Some things to think about...

The person I'm considering is willing to sign a musician waiver & release form. However, the point you made about fiveer wanting addition fees and possible future fees could be problematic. I would want fiveer to sign a waiver as well. Something like this may work: http://schicksville.com/Waiver%20Agreement.doc

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Any additional fees are set and made by the worker when ordering John, and fiverr never asks for anything extra other than their fixed fee.

I think the whole deal is between the client and worker. Fiverr get commission as connection agent

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Thats correct John. but the waiver clause does say 'Unless clearly stated otherwise on the seller's Gig page/description' so I guess that when a seller states extra for commercial copyright, they are in effect voiding that sitewide clause.

I always cover myself anyway by contacting the seller first and getting them to verify in their reply that copyright will be mine.

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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
Thats correct John. but the waiver clause does say 'Unless clearly stated otherwise on the seller's Gig page/description' so I guess that when a seller states extra for commercial copyright, they are in effect voiding that sitewide clause.

I always cover myself anyway by contacting the seller first and getting them to verify in their reply that copyright will be mine.

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The musician is fine in signing a waiver. I wish there was a direct email contact with fiveer. I'd feel much better having a conversation with them.

Thanks for your info Roy!

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I think that fiverr is all automated now John unless their is a dispute and you refuse to accept what the seller has done.

personally I don't worry too much John when I do it, but then again who am I lol

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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
I think that fiverr is all automated now John unless their is a dispute and you refuse to accept what the seller has done.

personally I don't worry too much John when I do it, but then again who am I lol

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Well, if the track ends up in a movie (which some of mine have), there could be good money involved. Funny how attitudes change when there's substantial money involved.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
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I think that fiverr is all automated now John unless their is a dispute and you refuse to accept what the seller has done.

personally I don't worry too much John when I do it, but then again who am I lol

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Well, if the track ends up in a movie (which some of mine have), there could be good money involved. Funny how attitudes change when there's substantial money involved.


Thats true. But I guess a lot of sellers on fiverr don't see it like that... It is after all 'work for hire' at the end of the day.

but has to be your decision John

good luck with it.

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Good call on that John. I didnt even think of it until you mentioned it, thats always an issue. If the thing went on to be a massive hit, ahem, well i wonder how strong they would cling to their contract. Not a real concern, but its something to consider.

The other thing I just realized is they advertise cheap rates for amount of time. ie. 5 bucks for a song of 1 minute, which is hilarious. So by the time you get to three minutes, then the rate goes up substantially, from 5 bucks for one minute to 30 for 3 minutes.

That's the dumbest pay scale i've ever seen in my life. Its like the old studio engineers, who used to charge by the hour, but it would take them three hours to get set up and get ready to record.
At the end of it its probably gonna cost 100 per track which is what just about everybody charges anyway.

Worth a look

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Good call on that John. I didnt even think of it until you mentioned it, thats always an issue. If the thing went on to be a massive hit, ahem, well i wonder how strong they would cling to their contract. Not a real concern, but its something to consider.

The other thing I just realized is they advertise cheap rates for amount of time. ie. 5 bucks for a song of 1 minute, which is hilarious. So by the time you get to three minutes, then the rate goes up substantially, from 5 bucks for one minute to 30 for 3 minutes.

That's the dumbest pay scale i've ever seen in my life. Its like the old studio engineers, who used to charge by the hour, but it would take them three hours to get set up and get ready to record.
At the end of it its probably gonna cost 100 per track which is what just about everybody charges anyway.

Worth a look


Well, I'd be more than happy to go $100, if I'd get a solid performance. But I don't want any surprises down the road. It did say that fiveer is allowed to site advertise any created tracks by their musicians. That's fine as long as they don't license the tracks.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
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Good call on that John. I didnt even think of it until you mentioned it, thats always an issue. If the thing went on to be a massive hit, ahem, well i wonder how strong they would cling to their contract. Not a real concern, but its something to consider.

The other thing I just realized is they advertise cheap rates for amount of time. ie. 5 bucks for a song of 1 minute, which is hilarious. So by the time you get to three minutes, then the rate goes up substantially, from 5 bucks for one minute to 30 for 3 minutes.

That's the dumbest pay scale i've ever seen in my life. Its like the old studio engineers, who used to charge by the hour, but it would take them three hours to get set up and get ready to record.
At the end of it its probably gonna cost 100 per track which is what just about everybody charges anyway.

Worth a look


Well, I'd be more than happy to go $100, if I'd get a solid performance. But I don't want any surprises down the road.

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Yeah whats to stop them from after the fact saying "hey, not only did I play bass on his track, but I co wrote the music for it" or, if not for my bass line, then the track falls apart, and I should be compensated"
I know its trivial stuff, but could happen.

But I dont like the deceptive pay rate. Who the hell writes a one minute song, unless its a Jingle or a Library piece. Maybe thats what they mean... with the amount of time.

Still a bass player getting paid by the minute sounds pretty stupid to me, the bass in the song doesnt stop after one minute, its a full piece.

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I won't go forward with this unless I have a direct contact with Fiveer.

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I don't think it's deceptive. It's pretty clear what you're getting. I haven't used them, but I have thought of it and perused heir site. You're right that $5 for 30 seconds is usually just going to pull you in to spending more for a whole 3 or 4 minute track, particularly if it's something like bass, but it's still not bad value if it's any good. On the other hand, if you're going to end up doing that for all the instruments, you might as well get a Nashville session outfit to do it.

I would think that this kind of thing comes into its own when you just need a solo, maybe sax or fiddle. Or maybe something like an instrumental tune that I have for the violin. I already have it with BIB backing and a midi violin that sounds like crap. If I can pay a violinist to re-record that midi violin with the real thing for$35, that's a pretty good deal. I might just do that.

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Decided to take a chance. I'll try one track and see how it goes.

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I look forward to hearing how it works out, John.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Decided to take a chance. I'll try one track and see how it goes.

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Good idea John.

I often think that some of those sellers on fiverr are top people in their own fields, and the reason they can be so good on pricing is because they are fast at what they do....

and its pocket money...

Good Luck with it

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
I don't think it's deceptive. It's pretty clear what you're getting. I haven't used them, but I have thought of it and perused heir site. You're right that $5 for 30 seconds is usually just going to pull you in to spending more for a whole 3 or 4 minute track, particularly if it's something like bass, but it's still not bad value if it's any good. On the other hand, if you're going to end up doing that for all the instruments, you might as well get a Nashville session outfit to do it.

I would think that this kind of thing comes into its own when you just need a solo, maybe sax or fiddle. Or maybe something like an instrumental tune that I have for the violin. I already have it with BIB backing and a midi violin that sounds like crap. If I can pay a violinist to re-record that midi violin with the real thing for$35, that's a pretty good deal. I might just do that.


It IS deceptive, because it's pulling you in. Hey if you can get a good track for even 50 bucks thats still way better than trying to do it yourself, or paying through the nose. But i tend to look for red flags, that was one. The notion that you can advertise to someone for 5 bucks, and then in fine print saying up to a minute...is rediculous. I mean seriously how much more do you have to do to play 3 minutes? it aint like im paying for world class musicians either.

Most of them seem to have their recording down and that makes it easier for someone like me, just throw their part into my mix. Might even pay a guy to mix it


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Decided to take a chance. I'll try one track and see how it goes.

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ooh a guinea pig!

Hey, you might like it so much youll end up on fiver yourself getting clients of your own.

I still have to wonder about unique musical motifs. With band in a box, there are not unique melodies, but a real person could add a musical hook to the song that brings it up a notch inquality, and then it becomes sticky whose song is it?

I dont know how it works in the pro world, I do know that musicians have been coming up with musical hooks for artists forever, and im not sure if they get paid for it.

This song Bette Davis Eyes, love this song, but I know for a fact that the studio keyboard player came up with that melodic hook, and thats a huge part of the song!

I wonder if the keyboard player has argument that he wrote part of this song? id say he does, but not sure he has a legal argument.
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Okay, my first project is started with them. I needed a sax man. It was very easy to submit. I've been conversing with the sax man. Very easy to work with. I have a piano version of the track on my website - titled Shadow of Seduction: http://johnlarenceschick.com/home

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Hi Guys this Sounds good...
Do you pay them directly or through the site.
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John, when you get it back with the sax in it, it would be nice to hear how it sounds then.

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Originally Posted by Mimmo
Hi Guys this Sounds good...
Do you pay them directly or through the site.
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Hey Mimmo,

I first sent a message (with questions) directly to the musician. Then you'll get email links to go through the process (which is very easy). You'll get a price quote (very reasonable). You can pay through Paypal.

Already finished this project. The sax man sent me two different dry takes and an mp3 mix. Sounds great. When I mix this in the afternoon, I'll post it.

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John, when you get it back with the sax in it, it would be nice to hear how it sounds then.


The sax man did a great job Everett. I'll post a mix later. I highly recommend them.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
John, when you get it back with the sax in it, it would be nice to hear how it sounds then.


The sax man did a great job Everett. I'll post a mix later. I highly recommend them.

Best, John smile


Great news John, nothing like a little casual sax hey? Yeah you really cant go wrong, they have their sound and recording down. I dont know if fiver qualifies them or not, but the only minor fear I have is the person trying to say their part is part of the song.

Basic arrangements I dont see a problem with. Im definity gonna give them a try too

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Hi Guys this Sounds good...
Do you pay them directly or through the site.
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Mimmo



Hey Mimmo,

I first sent a message (with questions) directly to the musician. Then you'll get email links to go through the process (which is very easy). You'll get a price quote (very reasonable). You can pay through Paypal.

Already finished this project. The sax man sent me two different dry takes and an mp3 mix. Sounds great. When I mix this in the afternoon, I'll post it.

Best, John smile
Hi John...Thanks for the info...Something to look at I guess. I never got a PayPal account , I would have to look in to that also.
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Originally Posted by Mimmo
Hi Guys this Sounds good...
Do you pay them directly or through the site.
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Hi Mimmo

After messaging and agreeing a price, the seller sends a quote with instructions.

You then pay and make the order. A fee for fiverr will be added on automatically. I think its $5

When finished, the seller sends the finished product to you for approval. At that point most will allow for revisions.

When you are happy, you accept and the deal is finalized. Th payment will then be made to the seller by fiverrl.

You are then asked for feedback and also given the opportunity to give a tip to the seller. That is optional.

I think that fiverr will add a bit onto any tip that you approve as well.

hope that helps

God Bless Roy


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I had the original animation for this done on fiverr, then I edited the whole thing.

https://youtu.be/-cInPgJ5LS8

I am very happy with it.

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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
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I had the original animation for this done on fiverr, then I edited the whole thing.

https://youtu.be/-cInPgJ5LS8

I am very happy with it.

God Bless Roy


Cool. So far it seems this is good surprised i havent heard of it before. There are others out there similar stuff too

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My first mix is finished. "Shadow of Seduction" : http://johnlarenceschick.com/home

John smile

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
My first mix is finished. "Shadow of Seduction" : http://johnlarenceschick.com/home

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great job there John...I love a sax

God Bless

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Sounds good John. I would push it up in the mix a bit more. Im used to tenor sax that must be alto right? Plays enough to not interfere with what youre doing.

Sounds cool!

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Thanks guys! Yes, it's alto Fde. I left it up to the player's discretion. I'll be doing other mix's. I'll be working with Fiveer a lot in the future.

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Very nice, John. Would you mind sharing who it is either here or by PM? I have a track that could use a little sax.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Very nice, John. Would you mind sharing who it is either here or by PM? I have a track that could use a little sax.



Joshua Zook - very pleasant to work with. https://www.fiverr.com/joshuazook/r...nel=18889471-d981-42f5-bad0-bf34a1f3f7de

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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
Originally Posted by Mimmo
Hi Guys this Sounds good...
Do you pay them directly or through the site.
Regards
Mimmo


Hi Mimmo

After messaging and agreeing a price, the seller sends a quote with instructions.

You then pay and make the order. A fee for fiverr will be added on automatically. I think its $5

When finished, the seller sends the finished product to you for approval. At that point most will allow for revisions.

When you are happy, you accept and the deal is finalized. Th payment will then be made to the seller by fiverrl.

You are then asked for feedback and also given the opportunity to give a tip to the seller. That is optional.

I think that fiverr will add a bit onto any tip that you approve as well.

hope that helps

God Bless Roy

Thanks Roy....I think it's worth looking in to it, Thanks for the tip.

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Sounding good John...Very good
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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Very nice, John. Would you mind sharing who it is either here or by PM? I have a track that could use a little sax.



Joshua Zook - very pleasant to work with. https://www.fiverr.com/joshuazook/r...nel=18889471-d981-42f5-bad0-bf34a1f3f7de

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Just in case you are unaware John, I think your sax track is on the samples on Joshua page. 4th one along.

They go in by default unless you ask them not to be used.

God Bless Roy


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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Very nice, John. Would you mind sharing who it is either here or by PM? I have a track that could use a little sax.



Joshua Zook - very pleasant to work with. https://www.fiverr.com/joshuazook/r...nel=18889471-d981-42f5-bad0-bf34a1f3f7de

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Just in case you are unaware John, I think your sax track is on the samples on Joshua page. 4th one along.

They go in by default unless you ask them not to be used.

God Bless Roy


Yes, I saw/heard that Roy. That was the mix Josh sent me. My link's only for streaming. That's fine with me - as long as they don't license my track. Which they assured me, they wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Very nice, John. Would you mind sharing who it is either here or by PM? I have a track that could use a little sax.



Joshua Zook - very pleasant to work with. https://www.fiverr.com/joshuazook/r...nel=18889471-d981-42f5-bad0-bf34a1f3f7de

John wink


Just in case you are unaware John, I think your sax track is on the samples on Joshua page. 4th one along.

They go in by default unless you ask them not to be used.

God Bless Roy


Yes, I saw/heard that Roy. That was the mix Josh sent me. My link's only for streaming. That's fine with me - as long as they don't license my track. Which they assured me, they wouldn't.

John smile


thats cool John...

speak later

God Bless

Roy


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That sax really compliments and fits nicely into your piano piece John. I can see it being used in a quiet lounge scene. Good luck with it.

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Looks like he's pretty legit as well

https://www.joshuazook.com/

Imagine somebody working so cheaply. I bet if you asked him to come into your studio and play for you hed charge alot more. But being hes on fiver I guess everything is all set, he doesnt have to do much except play.

Im gonna start doing this. Its gonna be more complicated for me. If I use a real drummer, tempo changes would be out, unless there is a way to both be on video so you can use body language to slow down and speed up

Or I can program drums myself which I don a pretty good job of, put the tempo changes in, and hopefully a bass player, keyboard player and what ever could be able to work with it


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Looks like he's pretty legit as well

https://www.joshuazook.com/

Imagine somebody working so cheaply. I bet if you asked him to come into your studio and play for you hed charge alot more. But being hes on fiver I guess everything is all set, he doesnt have to do much except play.

Im gonna start doing this. Its gonna be more complicated for me. If I use a real drummer, tempo changes would be out, unless there is a way to both be on video so you can use body language to slow down and speed up

Or I can program drums myself which I don a pretty good job of, put the tempo changes in, and hopefully a bass player, keyboard player and what ever could be able to work with it



actually FD I have often been asked by a seller to use messenger or skype or similar so me and the seller could work together. So I guess they have the facility to do it.

God Bless

Roy

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Originally Posted by Roy Cooper
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Looks like he's pretty legit as well

https://www.joshuazook.com/

Imagine somebody working so cheaply. I bet if you asked him to come into your studio and play for you hed charge alot more. But being hes on fiver I guess everything is all set, he doesnt have to do much except play.

Im gonna start doing this. Its gonna be more complicated for me. If I use a real drummer, tempo changes would be out, unless there is a way to both be on video so you can use body language to slow down and speed up

Or I can program drums myself which I don a pretty good job of, put the tempo changes in, and hopefully a bass player, keyboard player and what ever could be able to work with it



actually FD I have often been asked by a seller to use messenger or skype or similar so me and the seller could work together. So I guess they have the facility to do it.

God Bless

Roy


Oh yes it could be done. Both people would need lightning fast internet. Lol you dont want to be hearing the first bar of the chorus but seeing the drummer doing his fill into the chorus and not there yet, or probably the other way around since light travels faster than sound... I remember as a kid we had a baseball field across the street, and I could see the ball coming off the bat, and then half second later hear the "ping"

Its probably safer to do the drums myself, and then let the others follow the drums and guitar. Or, not use tempo changes, works for alot of songs, but sometimes you need a bridge that has different tempo. I do alot of cut time bridges....

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
That sax really compliments and fits nicely into your piano piece John. I can see it being used in a quiet lounge scene. Good luck with it.


Thanks Everett! I'm doing another track with Josh. Should be done sometime tomorrow. I love being able to work quickly with a collaboration.

John smile

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