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#1160090 - 12/27/19 01:07 PM Importance of Song Titles?  
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We've discussed this before.
I noticed that a Lyric I dashed off in the first Lyric Forum, "One Of Those Days", has garnered 400 views, while another right next to it has only 100.
Most 'viewers' would have nothing but the title to pique their interest enough to click and 'view'.
Nothing but those four words piqued my own interest in composing the Lyric.
Words on the printed page may have that potency of 'hooking' interest.
Whether they would have the same/similar effect when sung in Melody can not be ascertained.
I just think it interesting that level of views could be provoked by reading the title only.


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#1160092 - 12/27/19 01:17 PM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Definitely very important if you're placing songs in a music library. If you want their search engines to pick your track, you should have at least one good descriptive word in the title. I imagine, as Gary said, a similar situation exists in getting online views.

Best, John smile

#1160093 - 12/27/19 01:28 PM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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This is something I have been interested in for a long time.As I understand it, the conventional wisdom, for good reason, is that the title should be the hook, as that is what people will remember about the song if it sticks in their head and it will lead to them finding it later. However, as music has moved online, i think in some ways songs have become like books. Something needs to grab the listener's attention to induce him/her to click on it. If you are an established star, your name would do it. If not, an intriguing title, even if it's not the hook, would seem to have a lot in its favor. Of course, an intriguing title that's also the hook would be best of all smile

#1160097 - 12/27/19 02:24 PM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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I hear the theory of this alot, usually from other songwriters. My personal opinion is that song titles dont matter as much as they used to.

I think it does matter as Gavin says who is releasing the song. Im pretty sure Taylor Swift could release a song that has a title that doesnt appear in the song and still sell millions.

If you look at it from a craft point of a view, a strong title is part of writing a good song.

The same argument could be made for the whole lyric. How much does the lyric matter? It depends, I know every word of Piano Man, Boys of Summer, Free Fallin, but I dont know the words to other songs that Ive heard THOUSANDS of times like Smoke on the Water, Life in the Fastlane, I know Shook Me All Night Long, but not Hells Bells, lol

It all depends i guess is the answer,. As a songwriter, its best to not leave anything to chance and write the best damn song you can write, title and all. Then your chance goes up a percent.

If your goal is to post the song here and nowhere else, it really doesnt matter what the hell you write.

#1160099 - 12/27/19 02:29 PM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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I just thought of an interesting paradox. Old and new music.

Whats funny is before the digital and internet booms songs were HEARD before seen, so the tune is what first sold the song, maybe the lyrics after revisiting the song more and more.

Today the song is often seen before its heard, by way of Spotify and Youtube and other things. So the title SHOULD matter more today, but today they are going with one word titles....so go figure...

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#1160100 - 12/27/19 03:13 PM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Definitely very important if you're placing songs in a music library. If you want their search engines to pick your track, you should have at least one good descriptive word in the title. I imagine, as Gary said, a similar situation exists in getting online views.

Best, John smile


i don`t know if it still works like this...some name their songs to fall in line with major artists
like Garth Brooks for instance. "The Dance...others that write a song about a dance will name it...We dance...They dance
I dance. it would put that song in line with G.B. on the host boards like u-tube. it might bring a little more traffic to the song.
I don`t know ..heard that.
You can copywrite content, not tittles I believe.

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#1160117 - 12/28/19 05:51 PM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Titles matter. It's the TITLE. And how the title/hook is used. It's the foundation, the theme, it's what you write to, what you develop, esp in country. Nashville pubs have stacks of cds on their desks to the ceiling. If your cd has a dull title, it's gonna sit there till they toss it. This is an elementary idea.

here's an anecdote...many, many years ago I submitted two poems to an annual college poetry magazine. I got antsy, and unprofessionally, I called 'em. Did my poems get published? We had thousands of submissions, there's no way I can remember them offhand and there's no way I'm rummaging through them to check. They're called Low Blue Book and Shelf Life. Oh yeah, I remember those! They got published.

Titles matter. books, movies, songs, plays.


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#1160119 - 12/28/19 06:33 PM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Titles matter in catching the attention of new listeners. The shorter the title, the better the odds it will be easy to remember. All bets are "off" if the song is not worth hearing. Then there is the "support factor" from folks on the inside. Without it... maybe a miracle will happen... if the song is good enough.

JLS mentioned an important factor as applicable to music libraries. He should know! We call him "The Man from Money Mountain!"

Happy 2020...

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#1160144 - 12/30/19 09:37 AM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Titles matter in catching the attention of new listeners. The shorter the title, the better the odds it will be easy to remember. All bets are "off" if the song is not worth hearing. Then there is the "support factor" from folks on the inside. Without it... maybe a miracle will happen... if the song is good enough.

JLS mentioned an important factor as applicable to music libraries. He should know! We call him "The Man from Money Mountain!"

Happy 2020...

----Dave


Thanks for the build Dave. Maybe "Mr. Lucky". Which happens to be a title of a Mancini song: https://www.bing.com/search?q=mr%20...mp;cvid=84D2E2FA15E147F495797C2B9C0A0F5D


Best, John smile

#1160545 - 01/13/20 08:56 AM Re: Importance of Song Titles? [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Checking two sets of my Songs posted in the Lyric Feedback Forum, one just below the other, one is running five-to-one on views, the other set still about two-to-one. Fascinating that all the 'viewer' can possibly know is the title. They haven't heard it. They don't know me. The only motive for clicking to view is whatever they perceive in those three or four words in the titles, side by side.
Titles are of extreme importance in the singing of the Song and getting listeners singing along, 'memorizing', 'learning' the Song, hopefully wanting to hear it again. But there's something strategic about what motivates them when all they have is words on the printed page.
I'm thinking about who the 'consumer' of Songs would be who would first encounter a Song title on the printed page, and how that may make the difference between them taking action then to 'hear' what that title implies...to them. I don't think it's something you can plan beyond your inspiration to write the Song. I don't think I can recommend that you 'manufacture' your Song to enable you to have a 'click-me' title. I think I hear those manufactured Songs on the radio and they don't interest me, often the title being the only interesting Line in the Song. I think, "They should have started with that Line and wrote a Song based on that idea; not wrote Lines so they could land on that idea as THE Hook/title." Which is what I perceive they did, as the Lines may 'lead up to' that title idea, or they may simply Rhyme up to it, either way, not meeting my criteria for paying attention and wanting to hear it again.
I note that in each of the sets of two Songs it is the second one that gets the lion's share of views. So it's not that they clicked on the first one, liked it and so they clicked the second one. They skip the first one, based on the title only, I think, and click the second one. Fascinating, to me.

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Originally Posted by Gary E. Andrews
Checking two sets of my Songs posted in the Lyric Feedback Forum, one just below the other, one is running five-to-one on views, the other set still about two-to-one. Fascinating that all the 'viewer' can possibly know is the title. They haven't heard it. They don't know me. The only motive for clicking to view is whatever they perceive in those three or four words in the titles, side by side.
Titles are of extreme importance in the singing of the Song and getting listeners singing along, 'memorizing', 'learning' the Song, hopefully wanting to hear it again. But there's something strategic about what motivates them when all they have is words on the printed page.
I'm thinking about who the 'consumer' of Songs would be who would first encounter a Song title on the printed page, and how that may make the difference between them taking action then to 'hear' what that title implies...to them. I don't think it's something you can plan beyond your inspiration to write the Song. I don't think I can recommend that you 'manufacture' your Song to enable you to have a 'click-me' title. I think I hear those manufactured Songs on the radio and they don't interest me, often the title being the only interesting Line in the Song. I think, "They should have started with that Line and wrote a Song based on that idea; not wrote Lines so they could land on that idea as THE Hook/title." Which is what I perceive they did, as the Lines may 'lead up to' that title idea, or they may simply Rhyme up to it, either way, not meeting my criteria for paying attention and wanting to hear it again.
I note that in each of the sets of two Songs it is the second one that gets the lion's share of views. So it's not that they clicked on the first one, liked it and so they clicked the second one. They skip the first one, based on the title only, I think, and click the second one. Fascinating, to me.


I think titles on a written word lyric forum have to matter. It's whatever catches the eye. But i think weird titles or funny titles or stupid titles can have the same affect, it doesnt neccessarily mean its a good song title. Shock value, and yeah more people will click it if its more interesting than I love you. If you said "I love you 9% more than yesterday" it would catch attention. Will it be a good song...errr who knows?

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I look at Song titles like (Job Interviews) lol you gotta dress for the part. If I see a cool title, I am way more willing to look at it over a title that says "I love you" How many of us will take this information that is being stated about the subject and actually use it in their next song? I go to the lyric forum to poke around and see things are progressing, but if I see a title that is just so so, I will pass on it. I think if you start with a great title, the song will practically write itself...:)-Dana


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