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#1159684 - 12/16/19 06:01 PM Songramp  
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I just found out Songramp has closed down once and for all.


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Yes, Eddie Minyard just couldn't keep it going. Like most web sites, there is a lot of interest at first and then tends to fade out over time. Now, with so many web sites, pod casts, etc. it is hard to imagine anything lasting more than a few months. This one has been going for many years, but has it's own drop in membership. Frankly, with pretty much everything on the Internet, we are all attracted to the latest shiny object to come along. And most people interested in songwriting web sites are too often looking for some quick easy pathway to success, which never happens, and is actually impossible in an increasingly relationship driven business.

So it has closed down but several of us are from there, and have always been on multiple sites. If one closes, most people continue on to other sites. And some simply fade away.

MAB

#1159762 - 12/19/19 06:28 AM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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SO TRUE MARC Nothing More To say You can be top of any of these so called charts

but it means nothing in the Real World , Apart from maybe making the odd decent contact

like your good self

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One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.

In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1159773 - 12/19/19 11:24 AM Re: Songramp [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
Yes, Eddie Minyard just couldn't keep it going. Like most web sites, there is a lot of interest at first and then tends to fade out over time. Now, with so many web sites, pod casts, etc. it is hard to imagine anything lasting more than a few months. This one has been going for many years, but has it's own drop in membership. Frankly, with pretty much everything on the Internet, we are all attracted to the latest shiny object to come along. And most people interested in songwriting web sites are too often looking for some quick easy pathway to success, which never happens, and is actually impossible in an increasingly relationship driven business.

So it has closed down but several of us are from there, and have always been on multiple sites. If one closes, most people continue on to other sites. And some simply fade away.

MAB


I think songwriting forums reinforce just how many people are in the game. Forget who is good and bad, just the sheer numbers is daunting.

Home Recording forums are still thriving, there are still many around with active users. I guess social media is no place to be discussing eq and mixing techniques where people who have no interest have to read it.

#1159805 - 12/19/19 07:23 PM Re: Songramp [Re: Cheyenne]  
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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
SO TRUE MARC Nothing More To say You can be top of any of these so called charts

but it means nothing in the Real World , Apart from maybe making the odd decent contact

like your good self


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#1159820 - 12/20/19 10:44 AM Re: Songramp [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Wish we could get our songs from songramp


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#1159838 - 12/20/19 02:38 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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Eddie had it listed for around 2 years that everyone needed to get their songs back from Songramp. I don't know what happened to them, but the site is gone. I'm sure the songs are too. No one wants to pay for space to save them. That is what was killing the site to begin with. The cost of storage and keeping it going,. When one person is doing that, it can get cost prohibitive. Learn the lesson and never let go of your songs completely. Always keep your own copies.

MAB

#1159844 - 12/20/19 03:49 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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I remember some other sites shutting down or even dumping everything to clear space and people getting mad.

How can you get mad that some site you posted your stuff on is no longer capable of doing so? Dont people have computers to save their own work?

its not like the website is getting paid to store all your stuff, they are run by people with budgets.

#1159845 - 12/20/19 04:27 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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I did have a computer damaged from a flood. Couldn't recoup the songs. Am not mad....just never heard they were shutting down is all


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#1159846 - 12/20/19 04:29 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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Originally Posted by amremt6
I did have a computer damaged from a flood. Couldn't recoup the songs. Am not mad....just never heard they were shutting down is all


No I didnt see you were mad, i just remember some folks who were. Its like If I send all my mail to somebody elses house and not pick it up for 5 years, and then complain they didnt have it all...

#1159924 - 12/22/19 04:17 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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Eddie had been sending notices for around 2 years that he was going to have to pull the plug. There had been several get together's in Nashville, and the overall result was that there were just not enough members supporting the site to keep it going. But there were a lot of notices. Sorry you didn't see them, but they were there.
That's actually the entire problem. People were not checking in on the site, visiting or even paying attention. That is what happens to all sites. I'm sure nothing was kept after the site closed. It is up to all writers to save their own work.

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#1159945 - 12/23/19 11:31 AM Re: Songramp [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
Eddie had been sending notices for around 2 years that he was going to have to pull the plug. There had been several get together's in Nashville, and the overall result was that there were just not enough members supporting the site to keep it going. But there were a lot of notices. Sorry you didn't see them, but they were there.
That's actually the entire problem. People were not checking in on the site, visiting or even paying attention. That is what happens to all sites. I'm sure nothing was kept after the site closed. It is up to all writers to save their own work.


I think what kills sites are cookie cutter responses. People post songs because they want somebody to hear it. When everybody gets the same generic response, it's like "why do I bother? And it becomes obvious that the responses are part of the program, not genuine.

At the end of the day its about "does anybody like this song" Not anything else really, but id say most people will never listen to the song again.

#1159953 - 12/23/19 03:44 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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WEll That could be some of it, but I think a small part. What kills sites are generally apathy. People come to them for various reasons and like music itself, they generally have a short attention span. They are always looking for "something else" that might help them and in today's marketplace there are no end to where they can go. But if they don't find something that particularly interests them, they move on. Today, very few are interested in any education at all. They can do anything they want to themselves. Home recordings, computer programs, Band in a Box, etc. They can get in contact with film and television libraries, and pretty much any feedback they want to listen to (as long as it pats them on the back) they can be set.

Sooner or later they'll run into someone they DON'T like and move on.

Or the owner/founder/money behind the site will lose interest, die, become ill or simply decide they no longer want to be involved, and the site usually atrophies and dies. It's a part of a natural life cycle of pretty much everything. Remember MYSPACE?

Everything is replacable. Everything is temporary. Web sites are probably some of the most disposable of all. You find something you like, hopefully get something out of it, meet some people, and then move on.

Circle of life.
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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
WEll That could be some of it, but I think a small part. What kills sites are generally apathy. People come to them for various reasons and like music itself, they generally have a short attention span. They are always looking for "something else" that might help them and in today's marketplace there are no end to where they can go. But if they don't find something that particularly interests them, they move on. Today, very few are interested in any education at all. They can do anything they want to themselves. Home recordings, computer programs, Band in a Box, etc. They can get in contact with film and television libraries, and pretty much any feedback they want to listen to (as long as it pats them on the back) they can be set.

Sooner or later they'll run into someone they DON'T like and move on.

Or the owner/founder/money behind the site will lose interest, die, become ill or simply decide they no longer want to be involved, and the site usually atrophies and dies. It's a part of a natural life cycle of pretty much everything. Remember MYSPACE?

Everything is replacable. Everything is temporary. Web sites are probably some of the most disposable of all. You find something you like, hopefully get something out of it, meet some people, and then move on.

Circle of life.
MAB


Social Media has alot to do with it too. Websites like this WERE social media, but only reached a social group of people who did the same thing. Even Soundclick and Soundcloud are social media, but mostly people who are doing the same thing your doing. Facebook and Twitter is all inclusive, and unfortuantely for most, you now have to read "just fixing lunch" posts all day long.

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#1160173 - 01/01/20 11:46 AM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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I saved every penny ever donated on this board to use solely on the board itself but it never came close to covering the costs. The last update cost me 6K plus nearly 1K more in add ons and since we've only gotten about $500 since then I doubt we'll ever be able to update again unless I create another JPF related income stream. At least it seems I will be around bit longer so who knows. And the hosting cost alone for the site is way more than we've ever gotten in donations to offset. But I will keep it up as long as I can. It would help if some of the regulars I see all over Facebook came back but alas once we're gone as well I am sure a few will complain they didn't save their lyrics etc.

I do appreciate the handful of hardy folks who still stop in. I hope to do a bit more now that I am out of the hospital and emergent care for the first time since summer. I need two more surgeries but they are elective so I am holding off.

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#1160174 - 01/01/20 01:13 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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Jeez Brian. That's a load you're going through.
Soldier on and hoping for the best possible outcomes for you.

Happy New Year,

Martin

#1160700 - 01/18/20 01:38 AM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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It does seem as though this forum’s most active people have either died or left the forum for other reasons. My lyrics are all saved on a flash drive so I shouldn’t ever lose them.

#1160725 - 01/18/20 01:35 PM Re: Songramp [Re: amremt6]  
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that was the biggest problem. The main people who started and for many years quit completely or died off. Eddie, who took everything over, has a business that deals with disasters. Earthquakes in Haiti and Mexico, floods, 9-11, all kinds of terrible disasters, his company is a first responder, going to the areas, setting up communications, relief supplies, even in some, like Haiti, military support. Eddie is a Vietnam vet and Army Ranger and has seen more stuff than any of us would ever want to. So he gets stretched pretty thin as it is.

The main "Rampers" however, do make a pilgramage to Nashville each year in April and spend a week hanging out, guitar pulls, jamming, writing songs. You should check that out if you are interested. Usually 15-20 people, all rent a pretty big house and spend the week here.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
Eddie had been sending notices for around 2 years that he was going to have to pull the plug. There had been several get together's in Nashville, and the overall result was that there were just not enough members supporting the site to keep it going. But there were a lot of notices. Sorry you didn't see them, but they were there.
That's actually the entire problem. People were not checking in on the site, visiting or even paying attention. That is what happens to all sites. I'm sure nothing was kept after the site closed. It is up to all writers to save their own work.


I think what kills sites are cookie cutter responses. People post songs because they want somebody to hear it. When everybody gets the same generic response, it's like "why do I bother? And it becomes obvious that the responses are part of the program, not genuine.

At the end of the day its about "does anybody like this song" Not anything else really, but id say most people will never listen to the song again.


There's no such program here. Aside from an occasional spammer who gets through (of the literal millions who have tried) these are real peoples responses. It is up to the creator who posts to offer something that people care enough about to respond to. It is also up to the original poster to engage with folks to spur on the conversation. If your effort is lazy the responses will usually follow suit.


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