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#1156778 - 09/22/19 11:25 AM A word about my absence...  
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I realize you're all wondering why I haven't been shamelessly bumping my latest demo and making other comments.

Here's why...

I landed a cushy temp job as Harry and Megan's "Social Media Officer". I've had to overcome my fear of flying, grinning and bearing it as H & M jet around the world to various CLIMATE functions.

Today we're in Africa to spread the message of climate responsibility, with a satellite uplink to America. Michelle Obama will deliver an address on rising sea levels from her new 15 million dollar mansion on the east coast.

Following Michelle's speech I plan on visiting NBC's Climate Confession website and confess to using plastic toilet paper during a layover in Hong Kong.

Then we depart from Africa to visit Iowa and encourage eco-conscious diet plans at the Democratic gathering where 10, 500 steaks will be grilled. The last leg of our US visit will be to NYC to visit the Baldwins. Alec, Hilaria and their five children will march down fifth avenue to highlight limiting population growth to save MOTHER EARTH.

After this, we'll stop at CNN's new Manhattan headquarters where we'll revisit the impending doom of rising sea levels with a Fredo interview. There may be bugs in the A/V, CNN is not yet fully set up following the move from its former inland HQ in Atlanta.

Time permitting( we may need to jet to Belgium for a gender reveal event), we'll drop by and see Justin Trudeau for a photo-op/soundbite on the racism of CLIMATE CHANGE.

My former activity as a writer seems so vapid now, globetrotting via jet to evangelize the world about CLIMATE ARMAGEDDON.

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Nashville demos etc:

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other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1156781 - 09/22/19 12:52 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Hey Cochise..

Stop stealing my act.

Disregards,
Dennis Miller

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Actually, pretty funny stuff..I just hope it doesn't mean you believe climate change is a hoax..



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#1156786 - 09/22/19 02:45 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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couchgrouch,
You wouldn't put the shuck on us, would you?


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#1156791 - 09/22/19 05:01 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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I'm governor of California. For eight years I claim the BIG ONE is IMMINENT, California is doomed and MAN is the cause. I regulate the hell out of companies, encourage citizens to buy expensive products to combat Geologic Change and demonize anyone who's skeptical.

Then I leave office and buy a 15 million dollar mansion on the San Andreas Fault.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1156808 - 09/23/19 06:48 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Then we depart from Africa to visit Iowa and encourage eco-conscious diet plans at the Democratic gathering where 10, 500 steaks will be grilled. The last leg of our US visit will be to NYC to visit the Baldwins. Alec, Hilaria and their five children will march down fifth avenue to highlight limiting population growth to save MOTHER EARTH.
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Is this tongue in cheek to get a rise out of us. Are we not doing enough to curb population growth by aborting our babies. Every plane trip puts tons of carbon in the air, maybe people should stay home more. Why is it necessary to live in 15 million dollar mansions, is it to show off how successful they are or to rub salt into the wounds of people that can't afford to put a roof over their heads. Lazarus and the rich man in the bible is a good read for those that live high on the hog in this world. The love of money is the root of all evil and it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven.

The irony of it all is that the rich and politicians use these scare tactics to get poor people to cut back on what ever pleasures they have in life so they can have control over us, make more money and get elected to power.

#1156813 - 09/23/19 08:08 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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It's a satire of the religious movement known as Climate Change. Though it has many, many sincere adherents, most of its cardinals are either buffoons or rank hypocrites, demanding tithes the middle class can't afford. A large number of its members react with religious fervor when they encounter skeptics, despite not a single one of its leaders' predictions ever coming true. They've even sunk to drafting children into their service, similar to other apocalyptic cults. I respect any who disagree with me. Please afford me the same courtesy.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1156814 - 09/23/19 09:09 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Aw, Humm couchgrouch,
You have reminded me of the song ODE TO THE LITTLE SHACK OUT BACK by Billy Edd Wheeler


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#1156815 - 09/23/19 09:18 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Whatever your side in the abortion debate, no, it could never be enough to curb population growth. The figures, particularly in Africa are staggering. Those people are going to want to go somewhere as many parts of their continent become less hospitable.

Totally agree that the wealthy should play their part. I don't begrudge them living well, but nobody needs those huge houses However a large part of the efforts to combat climate change involves finding ways to continue doing many of the things we do now in a less impactful way - more efficient cars and planes with reduced emissions, cutting back on air travel, green power sources, maybe even cutting back a bit on beef consumption.

Your comments regarding politicians are not entirely fair. Though perhaps less so in the US, where the need to raise money to buy election is stronger than elsewhere, there are many who sincerely believe in the need to take action, and that action often comes in the form of regulation. Without it, we are left to hope people and corporations act on their own out of a feeling of collective responsibility. That is not going to happen when so many people just point at others and say, "Well, if he's not doing anything, I don't see why I should either." Old bitter men (mostly) pointing fingers and ranting about hypocrisy might be the biggest obstacle in this struggle. Let's hope the younger generations are able to get things done in time.

Couch, with respect, why can't you accept the idea that these children have not been "drafted." It's a variation of the old trope about George Soros handing out $20 bills to people to join in Black Lives Matter demonstrations. These kids couldn't be drafted unless they sincerely believed in the dangers of climate change. Calling them "drafted" is just a way of dismissing them and their arguments without affording them the respect they deserve. These arguments are soundly based, not just on predictions but on observations. Among those best placed to judge (better than you or me), climate change and the part man plays in it are no longer a theory. They are part of the world we live in.

#1156816 - 09/23/19 09:36 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Well damn Gavin,
For many years I have been trying to learn which came first, the Chicken or the Egg and you have the answer. Climate Change? Well we have a warming period and then the Great Lakes freeze over so what the hell do I know? They say The Mills of the Gods grind slowly. If there is severe Climate Change there is not a hell of a lot you, I, or anyone can do about it. There has already been a lot done here in the U.S. but you couldn't tell it by Chicken Little. Is the Sky falling? I dunno.


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#1156817 - 09/23/19 09:59 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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"Totally agree that the wealthy should play their part. I don't begrudge them living well, but nobody needs those huge houses.




How big is your house, Gavin?

#1156819 - 09/23/19 10:08 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: 90 dB]  
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Originally Posted by 90 dB
"Totally agree that the wealthy should play their part. I don't begrudge them living well, but nobody needs those huge houses.




How big is your house, Gavin?



LOL, not very. I don't really want a huge house, tbh.

#1156824 - 09/23/19 10:49 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by 90 dB
"Totally agree that the wealthy should play their part. I don't begrudge them living well, but nobody needs those huge houses.




How big is your house, Gavin?



LOL, not very. I don't really want a huge house, tbh.




I thought as much. I have a 1200 s.f. house on a 1/2 acre. Is that compliant with the Gavin Sinclair Acceptable House Size, or should I relocate to a tent?

#1156825 - 09/23/19 10:57 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: 90 dB]  
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Originally Posted by 90 dB
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by 90 dB
"Totally agree that the wealthy should play their part. I don't begrudge them living well, but nobody needs those huge houses.




How big is your house, Gavin?



LOL, not very. I don't really want a huge house, tbh.




I thought as much. I have a 1200 s.f. house on a 1/2 acre. Is that compliant with the Gavin Sinclair Acceptable House Size, or should I relocate to a tent?

Tent.

#1156828 - 09/23/19 11:18 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Good. A tent it is. I do wan't to be in compliance, you know.

I'm also concerned about my "beef consumption." How many ounces (if at all permitted) would the Gavin Sinclair Beef Quota allow?

#1156830 - 09/23/19 11:25 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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90 dB, I don't eat a lot of beef, so obviously everyone should do exactly as I do. I'll send you a Beef Consumption Exemption form. Please return it in triplicate with a picture of the cow you intend to consume and a notarized copy of your own methane emissions report.

#1156831 - 09/23/19 11:39 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
90 dB, I don't eat a lot of beef, so obviously everyone should do exactly as I do. I'll send you a Beef Consumption Exemption form. Please return it in triplicate with a picture of the cow you intend to consume and a notarized copy of your own methane emissions report.




I'll stop eating meat entirely if it will help with Global Warming (or Climate Change, or Armageddon, whatever you guys are calling it these days).


I will do anything to be Compliant.

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#1156832 - 09/23/19 11:42 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Originally Posted by couchgrouch
I realize you're all wondering why I haven't been shamelessly bumping my latest demo and making other comments.

Here's why...

I landed a cushy temp job as Harry and Megan's "Social Media Officer". I've had to overcome my fear of flying, grinning and bearing it as H & M jet around the world to various CLIMATE functions.

Today we're in Africa to spread the message of climate responsibility, with a satellite uplink to America. Michelle Obama will deliver an address on rising sea levels from her new 15 million dollar mansion on the east coast.

Following Michelle's speech I plan on visiting NBC's Climate Confession website and confess to using plastic toilet paper during a layover in Hong Kong.

Then we depart from Africa to visit Iowa and encourage eco-conscious diet plans at the Democratic gathering where 10, 500 steaks will be grilled. The last leg of our US visit will be to NYC to visit the Baldwins. Alec, Hilaria and their five children will march down fifth avenue to highlight limiting population growth to save MOTHER EARTH.

After this, we'll stop at CNN's new Manhattan headquarters where we'll revisit the impending doom of rising sea levels with a Fredo interview. There may be bugs in the A/V, CNN is not yet fully set up following the move from its former inland HQ in Atlanta.

Time permitting( we may need to jet to Belgium for a gender reveal event), we'll drop by and see Justin Trudeau for a photo-op/soundbite on the racism of CLIMATE CHANGE.

My former activity as a writer seems so vapid now, globetrotting via jet to evangelize the world about CLIMATE ARMAGEDDON.





Brilliant.



Regards,


Bob

#1156833 - 09/23/19 11:50 AM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Whazzat?,

Methane you say. A nephew once mentioned something about getting rid of methane. So I exclaimed, if you can put fresh hay in the front end of a cow and have clean air out the back the Government is looking for you. Not to mention all those Buffalo for all those years roaming the plains and putting out all that methane! Gee, I wonder where Global Warming was all those years.
Chicken Little, anyone?


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#1156834 - 09/23/19 12:16 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Ray, some might say your posts contribute disproportionately to methane levels, although I would never do that, of course, and yes, I will have a little chicken, thanks. smile

Just having some fun, Ray. No offense intended.

#1156835 - 09/23/19 12:27 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Originally Posted by couchgrouch
I'm governor of California. For eight years I claim the BIG ONE is IMMINENT, California is doomed and MAN is the cause. I regulate the hell out of companies, encourage citizens to buy expensive products to combat Geologic Change and demonize anyone who's skeptical.

Then I leave office and buy a 15 million dollar mansion on the San Andreas Fault.



There are corrupt people and opportunists on the left, on the right, rich, poor, up, down, and in-between. If you are trying to say global warming is a hoax because there are corrupt people making money off of "the idea" of it, I'm sure you can see that's an "ad hominem" attack and has no weight as an argument about the reality or un-reality of global warming.

To believe that global warming is a hoax does seem to take a greater "leap of faith" away from what most scientists are in consensus about, though, to me.

But it's just one more issue that is polarizing our nation. What ever happened to conversation without condescension? Jeez....

I don't hate anybody just because they think differently about issues than I do. Not even flat-earthers, though something like that makes me want to understand the psychology that could engender such a belief. Even though..when you think about it..we are putting our faith in science, to believe the earth is ROUND..cuz that's something we really can't know without following science's logical presentation, dating back to 600 BC and Pythagoras. I mean, we can't KNOW it experientially..so I guess it's okay to trust science on some matters..

And science was trusted far less in prior centuries, so it was far more common for people to believe the earth was flat. So it's not at all suprising to see the resistance to new ideas that appear, at least, to be scientifically based.

I just wish other folks could find more tolerance in their hearts for folks who think differently than them. Satire is a great way to make a point without hurting anyone, so kudos to the first post..

I think another interesting side demographic to global warming would be the poll numbers from folks who have children verses those who don't. It would be interesting to see if folks with larger families tended more towards a concern over global warming..I think I read that 2/3rds of people under thirty believe it to be a crucial issue, so I think the larger families would have similar numbers. My point being: one tends to look beyond ones own life, if one has kids, and they have kids, and so forth and so on..

Mike


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"These kids couldn't be drafted unless they sincerely believed in the dangers of climate change. Calling them "drafted" is just a way of dismissing them and their arguments without affording them the respect they deserve."

True Story: My son was in the 5th grade when Obama was running for president. He excitedly came home from school one afternoon proclaiming Obama's victory. My son had apparently participated in a mock election at school and voted for Obama. When I asked him why, he plainly stated, "Because he's black."

How many climatologists do you believe are in the world today? The fact that they’re all products of the same curriculum, and mostly from the same school, and all seem to agree is no surprise at all to me....

I am EPA certified for HVAC refrigerant transition and recovery classes I and II. I've had to listen to all this crap about cow farts since 1993. To big corporate government 1000 Akers of land equals 3 times as much revenue in corn, soy, pork and chicken. If you don’t believe me, ask any cattle rancher. The irony here is, we’re going to keep getting fat off of whatever makes the FDA the most money. But they will still micro-manage beef well enough to keep McDonald's and TacoBell open.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
"These kids couldn't be drafted unless they sincerely believed in the dangers of climate change. Calling them "drafted" is just a way of dismissing them and their arguments without affording them the respect they deserve."

True Story: My son was in the 5th grade when Obama was running for president. He excitedly came home from school one afternoon proclaiming Obama's victory. My son had apparently participated in a mock election at school and voted for Obama. When I asked him why, he plainly stated, "Because he's black."

How many climatologists do you believe are in the world today? The fact that they’re all products of the same curriculum, and mostly from the same school, and all seem to agree is no surprise at all to me....


Tony, their curriculum was probably something to do with climate science, which is actually a pretty good basis for a career in climate science smile They are not stupid, which means that disputing their empirical findings amounts to calling them all (or 99% of them) liars. Mix in the crackpot imaginings of it all being part of a plot to control us by big government and we land with a big plop in conspiracy theory territory.

Not having had the benefit of these guys' curriculum, years of experience in the field and time to conduct research, I'm not in a position to come up with my own studies of the climate, so I have to educate myself enough to decide whether the data is credible. It is. Furthermore, much that was predicted years ago is now happening. The opposing position seems to consist mostly of shooting the messenger. As for why disputing or even mocking the arguments has somehow become a "conservative" position, I'm at a complete loss.

As for these kids, many of them will have had intensive studies on climate change in school. To an open mind, one side of the argument, based on fact, is far more compelling than the other.

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They deserve all the respect they receive for those not yet mature enough to make decisions regarding alcohol, tobacco, voting, the military, credit cards, automobiles, their own living quarters etc, etc. Their parents should be ashamed, so should the mental defectives in goofy outfits preventing contributing members of society from getting to their jobs in DC.

The entire media, as well as the entertainment industry, does nothing but promote its religion. Small wonder kids are anxious about THE END. It's no different with the kids of cults who've been taught since birth God will rain vengeance on heretics by such and such a date.

I disregard them all. As for sincere believers in the doctrine...like with most religions, the most visible members are making your faith look ridiculous. Why should I take Julian Castro's word on CLIMATE CHANGE (Formerly Global Warming, adjusted to allow for any variation in the weather as support of church dogma)? The man believes in reproductive rights for trannies.

I believe it's a scam, along with the dozens of other media-Hollywood promoted hoaxes of recent years. Hell, there's been two in the last month.

The saddest part? When a real emergency or scandal does appear, the media will have cried wolf so many times, the public will justifiably be slow to respond.

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Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

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I imagine their parents are quite proud of them.

Nobody is asking you to take Castro's word on climate change. Picking out someone you don't like and thinking that discredits something he believes in along with millions of others makes no sense. The fact that Trump is a climate change denier would not be enough to discredit climate change denial.

It's not a religion. It's based on data, not faith. Global warming and climate change are terms that have co-existed pretty much from the beginning. They describe two related but different things - global warming causes climate change. The name wasn't changed by some mysterious "them" to account for variations in weather. In fact, the only known instance of anyone urging the use of the term climate change instead of global warming is Republican strategist Frank Luntz during the Bush presidency. In a memo designed to help candidates to justify the party position at the time, he wrote that climate change was a less frightening term than global warming and so that should be the term they used.

Here endeth the lesson. Darn - I just undermined my contention that it's not a religion. smile

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Personally, I can’t wait for Armageddon.... "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done." Amen

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Personally, I can’t wait for Armageddon.... "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done." Amen

Now THAT'S religion! Good for you, Tony.

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As destructive as they are, political threads always beat song threads for interaction.
The planet is said to be past the "tipping point" and China and India, Mexico etc are still filling the skies with Sh_t..
Dress for warm weather.

Que sera sera

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If the predictions were based solely on data, they'd come true. It's a religion. All apocalyptic cults site statistics to support their dooms.

You've given no one a lesson. The weakness of your posts are in themselves evidence of my position's correctness, not to mention your awful songs. Your movement needs better mascots.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

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https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

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4) Fort Mystery

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6) My One True Love
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Originally Posted by couchgrouch
If the predictions were based solely on data, they'd come true. It's a religion. All apocalyptic cults site statistics to support their dooms.

You've given no one a lesson. The weakness of your posts are in themselves evidence of my position's correctness, not to mention your awful songs. Your movement needs better mascots.



Am not certain who your are addressing. But "climate change" is not my religion. I've never made up my mind fully about it. I don't have the knowledge or information at hand to do so.

But, here is the scary part. It is about carbon emission accumulation in the atmosphere. No doubt that is occurring.
Do I think that the same minds that put Voyager in space in the 70s and are still receiving signals from it from beyond Pluto are capable...of calculating the volumetric area of the earth and atmosphere and then subtracting the earth's volume out and then applying mathematical models to the atmosphere regarding carbon emissions?

Yes I do.

Do I think that they are infallible?

No I do not.

But I worry.

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Originally Posted by couchgrouch
If the predictions were based solely on data, they'd come true. It's a religion. All apocalyptic cults site statistics to support their dooms.

You've given no one a lesson. The weakness of your posts are in themselves evidence of my position's correctness, not to mention your awful songs. Your movement needs better mascots.

Well, that's just kind of pathetic.

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Forget the politicians, entertainers, journalists, etc.

Look at the science.

Not easy because scientists communicate their results to other scientists - not many write for the general public.

But there are sources of information that compile scientific results and explain them. Here is a link:

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

I selected that one because it is from NASA - which might make it believable to many.

Feel free to read it and not be worried. I'm not able to.

Scott

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Okay..a satirical pitch from the other viewpoint..If I was a current writer on SNL, I'd be pitching the following sketch idea.

The setting, 600 BC, Rome. Dialogue in the style of Sophocles, and with a Greek Chorus. Pythagoras has just discovered the earth is round and has traveled to Rome to inform its senate. He takes his findings to the "senate" where Wiggus Maximus (Alec Baldwin reprising his Trump) sits, toga clad.

Pythagorus pitches Wiggus.

Wiggus is not impressed and taunts the Greek by holding onto the "thag" part of his name when addressing him, saying "so, PyTHAGoras..what is this science you keep talking about,"

Then, "PyTHAGoras, what are these scientific facts? --they sound like FAKE facts, to me" and the other senate members nod in agreement and the Greek Chorus has been repeating eveything Wiggus says verbatim.

Then "how else to explain Boltonius, Sessionus,Tillersonius, Scarramuccilus and Comeytose--all wandering off, never to be found? They wandered off and fell off the earth, everyone knows that. It's a cold, hard, fact."

At this point, Pouncius whispers to Wiggus, "sir, you fired all those guys.."

Wiggus ends with "PyTHAGoras, when you say "the earth is round" ---it's as preposterous as a belief that one day, many eons from today, there will be so much poop..let's call it waste..let's call it emissions..that one day there will be SO MUCH poop and waste and emissions from everything that it will..that it will..(Wiggus ponders)..make a hole in the sky that makes the sun too hot and then we'll all eventually die, hahahaha...ridiculous...The earth is FLAT! Go home, THAGGY.......


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That's all I got..certainly a viable SNL idea.

I think part of the problem accepting the scientific evidence is that it can be quite hard to grasp, and we DO have to take a leap of faith that it's not a giant conspiracy of scientists, made to look like they are fact-finding. But the idea that THAT could be the case seems outrageously preposterous to me. Though perhaps acceptable to a minority. Hence the sketch idea, relating flat-earth belief in 600 BC to modern anti-climate-change belief in the present..things we can't quite wrap our brains around or experience experientially we can easily have doubts about.

I think it's far more easy to accept that another, un-foreseen event could happen that would alter things and make climate change moot. Such as a comet..than to believe in a giant conspiracy of scientists..


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Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
Forget the politicians, entertainers, journalists, etc.

Look at the science.

Not easy because scientists communicate their results to other scientists - not many write for the general public.

But there are sources of information that compile scientific results and explain them. Here is a link:

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

I selected that one because it is from NASA - which might make it believable to many.

Feel free to read it and not be worried. I'm not able to.

Scott







The NASA data has been proven fraudulent.


https://principia-scientific.org/nasa-exposed-in-massive-new-climate-data-fraud/




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Here are some interesting little tidbits on Greta Thunberg: https://starsinformer.com/greta-thunberg/

She is autistic, but high functioning and it does seem that she came to these beliefs through study.

I think the science is pretty clear here. Can science be wrong and have there been "controversies"? Sure, but the facts, empirical and anecdotal evidence seems to be in favor of climate change accelerated by humans pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. I know some of you see conspiracies everywhere, but it is surprising that climate science is seen as a liberal only viewpoint. Oh well, I guess conservatism is not about conserving anything.


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I think Scott hit it on the head. This is entirely a Scientific issue and debate, for some reason it's become a political one.

The left believes, the right doesn't. The reason? because money is involved, whenever money is involved it becomes a political issue.

Here's what I know. Science has not proved nor disproved a damn thing, they cant even agree if fat in the diet is good or bad for you, and we apparently know so much about it.

My take? Let's spend money on what we know is a problem, and help people.

Healthcare in this country is a complete disaster, i think we need to fix that, before we pump money into something where we dont know if it's a true issue or have a true solution for, if there was a problem.

Im neither republican nor democrat, what I will be looking at this term is what the plan is to fix healthcare. Obesity is the biggest problem we have, its going to bankrupt this country if we dont do something about it, far worse than a theoretical Global Warming issue.

Wont be enough funding for everything.

As far as apocalyptics, lets not forget that exists in The Bible, Revelation is one giant apocalyptic prediction, so who is more nutty?

And The Catholic Church arrested Galileo for stating that the Earth orbited the Sun. 300 years later they admitted he was right.

We have people on the frikon street who dont know where there next meal is coming from, and we want to spend billions on Global Warming.

But that's just another opinion.


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I've been watching weather reports for nearly fifty years. It's...basically...the...same.

Mike, I mean no offense but your satire becomes tedious after two lines. Which means you're right, it's perfect for SNL. All it needs is a performer with an obvious history of racist tweets. Then, when he's fired, he'll be qualified to write about CLIMATE CHANGE!!! for the New York Times.

Jeez, I'd never heard of Greta till last week. After I read about
her, can you send me a link to some info about David Hogg? wink

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https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
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A friend of mine has his degrees (including grad degree) in meteorology and I think I'll go with his opinion - The climate today is well within normal variations. That said there is no reason we can't make the place cleaner.

I live in farm country and our air quality is generally in single digits but what gets me is to see literally thousands of acres of corn just rotting on the stalk- It is going to be used for Ethanol. Think of how many people could be fed if that was harvested as a food.




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What I cant understand for the life of me, is why the left and right have to be so far apart on a scientific issue.

We could come up with an exact science of it, and the two sides will still fight over it.

Does it surprise anyone that regulars who have posted here, and have divulged their political leanings in many cases, fit this description?

Lets ask Ray what he thinks of Global Warming...... Ray? Care to chime in

I dont understand why this is. Or how it is.

We are so damn political, most of it is due to the internet, but it's getting to a point where I cant even read a sprts article without reading some political slant

[naughty word removed] POLITICS! No president has ever changed anything, not in a grand way, things come and go and some get credit, others get blasted, but reality is Politics are good for nothing...

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How to measure global warming: https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-do-scientists-measure-global-temperature

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I sense sarcasm here. I almost took the bait.


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
What I cant understand for the life of me, is why the left and right have to be so far apart on a scientific issue.

We could come up with an exact science of it, and the two sides will still fight over it.

Does it surprise anyone that regulars who have posted here, and have divulged their political leanings in many cases, fit this description?

Lets ask Ray what he thinks of Global Warming...... Ray? Care to chime in

I dont understand why this is. Or how it is.

We are so damn political, most of it is due to the internet, but it's getting to a point where I cant even read a sprts article without reading some political slant

[naughty word removed] POLITICS! No president has ever changed anything, not in a grand way, things come and go and some get credit, others get blasted, but reality is Politics are good for nothing...


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Gavin, Kevin, Mike, Liberals.....

Martin, Couchgrouch, Ray, Sue, Conservatives....

Am i wrong? You know how id know even if I didnt know? By what they say about Global Warming

Isnt that a bit like why 66% of blacks thought OJ was innocent but 66% of Whites thought he was guilty...it was ALMOST as easy as looking at the color of ones skin and knowing what they thought about it.

Shrugs...

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I would ask those that site "alternative sites" like "principia-scientifica" see their irony in a belief this "alternative stance" on climate change is the truth.

You accuse the majority of all kinds of things leading to this "conspiracy of scientists" while recognizing a much smaller group comprised of lesser established scientists as having the truth, when there is a far greater possibility of misinformation and/or conspiracy in this smaller group of folks, some of whom I imagine have fabricated credentials. I certainly would not feel comfortable reading anything on this particular site. It looks geared specifically to feed a certain mindset. And that mindset is certainly not one of open-mindedness..

I'm sure this will get a response about the liberals' control of the media, etc..even though scientists speak as scientists, not as representatives of a certain political affiliation..

Just my humble opinion..

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Gavin, Kevin, Mike, Liberals.....

Martin, Couchgrouch, Ray, Sue, Conservatives....

Am i wrong? You know how id know even if I didnt know? By what they say about Global Warming

Isnt that a bit like why 66% of blacks thought OJ was innocent but 66% of Whites thought he was guilty...it was ALMOST as easy as looking at the color of ones skin and knowing what they thought about it.

Shrugs...


FD,

Actually, climate change is uniting both parties, in essence, but not in it's urgency.

A majority of Republicans now DO believe climate change is a reality. It's just an overwhelming majority that, when polled, think it's not a big deal at this time..It's a much smaller percentage of Republicans that believe it to be a hoax or conspiracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/climate/republicans-global-warming-maps.html

Of course, I am sure "alternative facts" can be found to support anything at this point.

That's why everything boils down to a leap of faith. Doublespeak can find a way to make us believe the most obvious scientific facts are "fake facts."




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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Okay..a satirical pitch from the other viewpoint..If I was a current writer on SNL, I'd be pitching the following sketch idea.

The setting, 600 BC, Rome. Dialogue in the style of Sophocles, and with a Greek Chorus. Pythagoras has just discovered the earth is round and has traveled to Rome to inform its senate. He takes his findings to the "senate" where Wiggus Maximus (Alec Baldwin reprising his Trump) sits, toga clad.

Pythagorus pitches Wiggus.

Wiggus is not impressed and taunts the Greek by holding onto the "thag" part of his name when addressing him, saying "so, PyTHAGoras..what is this science you keep talking about,"

Then, "PyTHAGoras, what are these scientific facts? --they sound like FAKE facts, to me" and the other senate members nod in agreement and the Greek Chorus has been repeating eveything Wiggus says verbatim.

Then "how else to explain Boltonius, Sessionus,Tillersonius, Scarramuccilus and Comeytose--all wandering off, never to be found? They wandered off and fell off the earth, everyone knows that. It's a cold, hard, fact."

At this point, Pouncius whispers to Wiggus, "sir, you fired all those guys.."


Wiggus ends with "PyTHAGoras, when you say 'the earth is round' ---it's as preposterous as a belief that one day, many eons from today, there will be so much poop..let's call it waste..let's call it emissions..that one day there will be SO MUCH poop and waste and emissions from everything..and maybe..maybe not enough TREES hahaha that it will..that it will..(Wiggus ponders)..make a hole in the sky that makes the sun too hot and then we'll all eventually DIE, hahahaha...ridiculous...The earth is FLAT! Go home, THAGGY.......Here's MY cold, hard fact!"

(Wiggus reaches under his toga, slightly off camera, but the audience response informs what he did..)

Last edited by Michael Zaneski; 09/23/19 05:30 PM.

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#1156868 - 09/23/19 06:00 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Sue, I agree. I don't litter, I treat animals kindly, I drive a fuel efficient car.

But it's been my observation that people in power pushing CLIMATE CHANGE are, frankly, crazy. Now they're senators, congressmen and governors of states fast becoming hell holes. But there's a chance they'll obtain more power. Those people having control of my life...that scares me more than any hurricane.

AOC is a loon, so is Kamala Harris, Beto, senile Biden, Woke-a-hontas and the whole bunch. And I say this as someone who's never voted and tended to lean left until several years ago.

Those people are nuttier than Bernie's morning constitutional and I'm immediately suspicious of anything they teach, especially when they want my money to pay for it.


Nashville demos etc:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandID=431939

other demos:

https://soundcloud.com/wabash-cannibal

Amazon Kindle books by Robert George you may enjoy:

1) Americana

2) Teenage Graceland

3) The Will to Be

4) Fort Mystery

5) Wheel Sea

6) My One True Love
#1156869 - 09/23/19 07:38 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: 90 dB]  
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Originally Posted by 90 dB


So you have to make a choice:

On one hand you have an organization who has pulled off some of the most amazing technical achievements of mankind. Who has compiled reports of hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific studies, has explained how they have done data analysis and even report the original data for people to do their own analysis.

On the other, you have a fringe group with an agenda who has referred to a study of a geologist (not a climate scientist) who has done a data analysis of his own. That apparently hasn't been published in a reputable journal.

It's your call grin

Scott

#1156870 - 09/23/19 07:44 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Originally Posted by couchgrouch


Mike, I mean no offense but your satire becomes tedious after two lines. Which means you're right, it's perfect for SNL. All it needs is a performer with an obvious history of racist tweets. Then, when he's fired, he'll be qualified to write about CLIMATE CHANGE!!! for the New York Times.


No offense taken, but I did finally come up with a "close" that I am satisfied with. I DO believe satire has more power to change minds than straight analytical thinking. Your initial piece made me at least understand the feeling amongst the majority of conservatives about the varying degrees of urgency between the two political philosophies. My piece was admittedly sophomoric, but I do think there are obvious parallels to be drawn between the changing thought around the shape of the earth in 600 BC and the changing thought around climate change circa now.


Originally Posted by couchgrouch


If the predictions were based solely on data, they'd come true. It's a religion. All apocalyptic cults site statistics to support their dooms.

You've given no one a lesson. The weakness of your posts are in themselves evidence of my position's correctness, not to mention your awful songs. Your movement needs better mascots.



Let's look closer at that:

If the predictions were based solely on data, they'd come true.

The problem with that is the sneaky little "they'd come true" at the end there, which looks an awful lot like circular reasoning. And you are saying something quite silly, when it is broken down, something like

all predication that are based on fact must IMMEDIATELY come true, or at least within my lifetime..

"They'd come true" ignores that SOME predictions are in the process of coming true, and the full extent will probably not be felt within our own lifetime!

Why am I suddenly thinking of an ostrich with its head buried in the sand?

And to equate that the arrival decade is not upon us with religious cults who say "here's the day the world ends" ..? seriously?

Then you say, "the weakness of your posts are in themselves evidence of my position's correctness" which seems like another way of you getting out of making any convincing statements of your own, while Gavin and other's are attempting to make their points, and from where I sit are doing a decent enough job of it.

Rob, theoretically speaking, when has ANYONE'S weak argument been a proof of anything other than a weak argument? A weak argument has never been proof that "the other side" is right..only that some folks have weak arguments..

And the cherry on top, for you, is always to impugn someone's songwriting. Bravo. You are the champ of doing that. Wow..Congrats.

And the thing is, I can empathize with those that think that there's TOO MUCH hubbub over the high level of urgency over climate change amongst liberals.. So yes, I did enjoy your initial piece. But in my humble opinion, your satire was far more powerful than any of your formal arguments.

I'm sorry that you think that just because you can't see climate change happening out your back door, that it can't be real.

Mike


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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice

-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon)
from the song "Songs of Love"
from the album "Casanova" (1996)
#1156871 - 09/23/19 07:50 PM Re: A word about my absence... [Re: couchgrouch]  
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Originally Posted by couchgrouch
Sue, I agree. I don't litter, I treat animals kindly, I drive a fuel efficient car.

But it's been my observation that people in power pushing CLIMATE CHANGE are, frankly, crazy. Now they're senators, congressmen and governors of states fast becoming hell holes. But there's a chance they'll obtain more power. Those people having control of my life...that scares me more than any hurricane.

AOC is a loon, so is Kamala Harris, Beto, senile Biden, Woke-a-hontas and the whole bunch. And I say this as someone who's never voted and tended to lean left until several years ago.

Those people are nuttier than Bernie's morning constitutional and I'm immediately suspicious of anything they teach, especially when they want my money to pay for it.


As I've said before, focus on the science. Ignore Bernie and AOC and read the science.

I believe, based on my research, that global warming is real. Worse than that - it's now a recovery rather than a rescue operation. It's too late to fix it - all we can do now is mitigate it. Wish I was more optimistic but the earth has a lot of inertia and it's built up momentum for change. Even if we remove CO2 from the air, the oceans have stored so much that they'll simply begin emitting it back to the atmosphere. We're already screwed - the only question is how badly.

At the same time, I believe that a lot of the green new deal is hogwash - an attempt by the far left to fold the real problem of global warming into their agenda. You are smart not to fall for it - but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

There are things we can do that shouldn't trample anyone's freedom or rights. We can bring nuclear back - yes it has issues but global warming isn't one of them. We can plant more trees. We can remove subsidies from oil companies and give them to solar and renewables. We can give tax credits to power plants who capture CO2 instead of emitting it. Most of these things would have very little effect on John Q but could make a difference to the planet. Remember that for every nutcase on the left there is one on the right who is perfectly happy with the way things are - because they are making money ass over teakettle.

One thing I am sure of is that we won't get anywhere until we lose this stupid tribalism and think rationally about issues. This isn't directed to you, Grouch - it's just a general observation.....

Scott

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