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by Gary E. Andrews - 04/15/24 07:08 PM
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Hi all, this is my 2nd co-write with JaneK and before we go to the music parts, any thoughts and suggestions on the lyrics will be appreciated.
Our thanks in advance
Roy & Jane
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HE’S A CHANGED MAN (c)2019
verse 1 Been thirty years since the crime That's how long he spent in Jail Not the strong young man he was Now he's stooped, half blind and frail
verse 2 The biggest crime that he did Was leaving us both alone Mum bought me up through childhood Had to raise me on her own
chorus When Mom was on her deathbed 'Please Forgive him' she said We know that he was bad But still he is your Dad
verse 3 So I hear he's on a train And he's making his way home Thirty years away from us, No Word, No Letter, No Phone Verse 4 I know that I must meet him As it was my mothers wish I don't expect a miracle Or a long lost fathers kiss
Bridge There always was his mother and his brother Norm Kept us in the family, keeping us informed. Told us that Dad had found God, and he was reformed Growing up I called them nanny and my uncle Norm.
chorus When mum was on her deathbed 'Please Forgive him' she said We know that he was bad But still he is your Dad
We know that he was bad But still he is your Dad
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Hi Roy, You have all the mechanics at work for a story told by the person who should have some complicated feelings about all this, given the scenario. I think that's what I'm missing when I read it. It's like the daughter is just relating the story without injecting her own feelings into the mix. The story could just as easily by told in the third person, given what is being told to the listeners. In the first person singular, you're missing the opportunity to make your audience feel something by having the daughter feel something. If he was in jail 30 years, for the daughter to say The biggest crime that he did Was leaving us both alone Mum bought me up through childhood Had to raise me on her own Is good to make me understand there was resentment and hardship on the part of the dead mother and daughter, so that's all good, but it also makes me curious what the crime was, too, given that he was behind bars 30 years, and them being without him was worse, in their eyes. "Norm" in the bridge feels a little forced, but I see you're trying to create some sympathy for the imprisoned dad's return. I don't know.. Personally, I would cut off a smaller chunk of story and then include more of the daughter's raw feelings, even if that's a "void" where feelings for her dad should be. That "void" might lead to guilty, awful feelings ("I should feel something!"), on her part..complicated even further by the pressure put on her to forgive her dad, which in essence is the crux of the story, well placed in the chorus. In a movie, once this "crux" is established, you need at least a "reaction shot" from the daughter, so we know how she feels about that. Likewise, in a song, it is probably even more crucial that something akin to this reaction shot is fed to the listener. It then gets complicated quick, but to me, this is what a song can do in 3 minutes that sometimes an entire movie can't! Novels, movies, serialized drama..those will always be better at telling stories, whereas songs can convey and express more ineffable things that can nourish the soul of the listener--like shared emotions. You have a lyric that's mostly the mechanics of the story, told from her POV, and that's a Golden opportunity for her to really share how she feels. That's what would captivate me, at least. All just my very humble opinion.. Mike
Last edited by Michael Zaneski; 07/19/19 04:44 AM.
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-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
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Thanks so much Mike for your in depth thoughts and suggestions. On reflection and taking into account your thoughts, you are probably right on much of what you said.
So I guess a re-write is in the pipeline lol...
Maybe others will look in and offer up their thoughts as well.
You know Mike so often what others say gets me to write a much better set of lyrics, so its always appreciated.
God Bless Roy
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Robbed a bank to save the farm but we lost him and our home. Mum bought me up through childhood Had to raise me on her own.
Bridge Part of me hated him. part of me loved him part of me didn't know.
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I like the story
I agree with a lot of what Micheal says. The dynamic of how the singer feels about Dad is a strong part of the story that should come out more. perhaps child hood memories from before he left.
the bridge is nice, not at all bad, but its taking up valuable space that would be better filled with more info on the singer or the singers thoughts and feelings.
also I think a final verse worth considering is what does the singer decide or what happens when the singer sees Dad. sorry mama cant do it or a flood of fond memories come back or i'll just have to wait and see ?
would "Tie a yellow ribbon" be half as good a song without the final verse?
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Robbed a bank to save the farm but we lost him and our home. Mum bought me up through childhood Had to raise me on her own.
Bridge Part of me hated him. part of me loved him part of me didn't know. Thanks ckiphen for adding to the suggestions... ummm... food for thought when I do the rewrite.. God Bless Roy
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Hi Mooseong and thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. Some good points and direction pointers which are well appreciated..I will look at them again as I do a rewrite... would "Tie a yellow ribbon" be half as good a song without the final verse? Your so right on that... Thanks again God Bless Roy
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I know that I must meet him As it was my mothers wish I don't expect a miracle Or a long lost fathers kiss Will he even know me What am I supposed to say Not sure what to forgive After thirty years away
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I know that I must meet him As it was my mothers wish I don't expect a miracle Or a long lost fathers kiss Will he even know me What am I supposed to say Not sure what to forgive After thirty years away Thanks JAPAV for stopping by and for the suggestion. It's appreciated.. I don't really want to increase the songs length, however, your suggestion may be useful when I do the rewrite... It certainly flows perfectly and follows the story. Thanks again God Bless Roy
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