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#1153654 - 05/31/19 09:27 AM Songwriter's Junction  
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A new songwriting site just getting up and going. If you're feeling lost in the crowd over here give it a try. Obviously this is a great site but the sheer numbers of members might leave some of you feeling lost. Join up and be heard!

#1153676 - 06/01/19 01:32 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Originally Posted by ckiphen
A new songwriting site just getting up and going. If you're feeling lost in the crowd over here give it a try. Obviously this is a great site but the sheer numbers of members might leave some of you feeling lost. Join up and be heard!


It is one thing to promote another site, it is entirely different to tell members to leave our site. So now going forward "Songwriters Junction" will be considered a spam/troll site. Congrats on your effort.


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#1153684 - 06/01/19 06:45 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Sheep stealer.

#1153718 - 06/02/19 03:21 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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I don't feel lost in the crowd here. I feel quite the opposite.

Everyone is really nice here and I am a newbie.

#1153732 - 06/03/19 09:43 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Yes, I would plead on behalf of SongwriterJunction that the member was simply trying to expand the possibilities for JustPlainFolks members and SongwriterJunction members to get their words and music out to the world, perhaps finding the desired and required feedback to improve their comprehension of the craft and inspiration that drives us all. I have carried things from SJ here, and things from JPF to SJ. I gave the URLs of both sites to the clerk at the grocery store yesterday. I'm thinking of advertising in what passes for our local paper to put these sites into my more immediate community of potential whatever-I-might-find-here.

ckiphen is a prolific Lyricist, as is evident in his posts, and seeks all outlets, I am sure, to get his works into the universe of possibilities.

JPF does seem to 'go dead' at times. So does SJ. So did www.Songwriter101.com Having other outlets keeps Jack from being a dull boy.

JPF has quite a viewership and is by far superior in getting product before the eyes of potential 'consumers', perhaps some simply willing to lay down the coin of the realm in exchange for your product, perhaps someone desiring to 'cover' your Song, maybe 'cut' it, maybe 'release' it to market where it could bring you fame, perhaps infamy, and fortune.

So I plead that we not blame the SongwriterJunction site for what may have been a poor choice of words by a member who, I am confident, bore no ill will for JPF, who, indeed, a JPF member for two years, has no doubt found a 'home' at JPF for his prolific output.

With the usual spirit of in-this-together, let us go forth and multiply our alliances and explorations in the wonders of our art.


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#1153734 - 06/03/19 12:44 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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“So I plead that we not blame the SongwriterJunction site for what may have been a poor choice of words by a member who, I am confident, bore no ill will for JPF, who, indeed, a JPF member for two years, has no doubt found a 'home' at JPF for his prolific output.”



06-03-2019
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“Feeling like a refugee I wandered the broken streets and abandoned threads of Just Plain Folks. It's okay. But I miss the clean format of Songwriter101. JTP had a lot of pharmaceutical ads when the closure of 101 left me wandering the campus like a junkie, and finally ran me off and sent me out looking for a new playground. I called it Just Pharmaceutical Folks. But it's not any more active than 101 was at times. I guess we go through phases when we're creating and sharing and when we're not. I can accept that as the norm.  Today I accidentally put in www.m and the old musesmuse site popped into the browser. I may go explore there again too. Meanwhile, I'll try not to dysfunction here at the Junction. I carried Larry Beaird's video from the Junction to JPF to see if it sparked some study. I don't think it did. I'll try to go there and bring back the list of Songs he spoke of and the youtube links in case y'all might care to be studious. Thanks, Gavin, for taking in us...graduates. Definitely graduates.”


04-29-2019
Gary E. Andrews
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“I've tried mentioning SongwriterJunction over on Just Plain Pharmaceuticals, oops! Folks, as a way to maybe get a visitor, and possibly a member. Propagating things from here to there, there to here, might work. JPF goes dead, just like 101 did from time to time. I remember a visitor or new member, probably back on 101, who said, "It's nice to find a website with 'current' posts." In other words those posts from 1967 are inspiring! lol”

05-22-2019
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A poor choice of words, indeed.



Regards,


Bob

#1153735 - 06/03/19 02:20 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Can we please put a plug in this? I'm the admin at Songwriter Junction, which I set up a little while ago specifically as a home for those who were displaced when the BMI-run Songwriter 101 forum was closed down. I had many friends there and wanted a way for us all to stay in touch. Not everyone wanted to move over here, which was actually my recommendation to them, so I looked into how to set up a forum to continue that community and ended up doing so. I have never tried to plug the site on here, nor will I mention it again outside this thread. I think that Carroll was misguided, when he started this topic and especially in the way he phrased his post. Even though he didn't suggest that people should leave this site, it's still not what I would consider good form to start a topic specifically recommending another forum.

For the record, Carroll is a member at Songwriter Junction (and a valued one, as he is a great lyricist and very nice person), but has nothing to do with the site beyond that. He was only trying to help and got it wrong. It happens. Songwriter Junction is not a spam or troll site any more than this wonderful place is. I have recommended JPF to many people looking for a songwriter community, including on other forums when appropriate, and will continue to do so.

As for Gary's post. I assume he was referring to spam posts about pharmaceuticals that found their way on here. I know that was a scourge of the old SW101 forum and indeed those folks are always looking to attack any forum they can.

#1153737 - 06/03/19 03:11 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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"Even though he didn't suggest that people should leave this site...."


"If you're feeling lost in the crowd over here give it a try."

Sure sounds like he did, Gavin.


As for Gary, my reading comprehension is just fine. I can read what he actually wrote here, and on your site.


Facts are funny things. They have a life of their own once in print.


Regards,


Bob

#1153738 - 06/03/19 03:18 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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OK, I can see how it could be read that way. I didn't. You can visit one forum without leaving another. Either way, I don't think it was appropriate.

#1153740 - 06/03/19 04:46 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: Gary E. Andrews]  
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Don't blame songwriter junction! It's all on me! Wasn't trying to steal members just give an alternative . Obviously this is a Great site evidenced by the enormous membership.if you feel i overstepped boundaries remove me and i won't be offended but this was in no way the fault of songwriters junction.

#1153759 - 06/03/19 09:45 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Quotes from db 90, Bob.

"As for Gary, my reading comprehension is just fine. I can read what he actually wrote here, and on your site.

05-22-2019
Gary E. Edwards
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A poor choice of words, indeed.

Regards,
Bob"

I'm a poet, a prose artist, a babbling wordsmith. 'Just Pharmaceutical Folks'? That's a joke. It was funny to me. It should be funny to anyone with a sense of humor. You see the initials stay the same. And there were numerous drug ads down the left column. It was funny. It was hilarious.
But the grownups here aren't just looking for an argument. We're trying to discuss a matter of interest to us. Those who just want to troll the conversation can do more harm than good. I always liked it when someone showed me their true colors. It's a good thing to 'have someone's number'. That way you're not disappointed when they show those colors again. And, thanks to reading comprehension, I've got that Gary E. Edwards guy's number!


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#1153763 - 06/04/19 02:24 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Sorry I did not mean to post on this thread

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One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.

In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1153803 - 06/05/19 06:06 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Hi all,
and thanks to everybody for this thread:
now I know where to join after SW101 is closed down

#1153850 - 06/05/19 08:36 PM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Hello Alek. Welcome to Just Plain Folks. (Google Translate)

Привіт Алек. Ласкаво просимо до просто звичайних людей.

Well that didn't work! LOL

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#1153892 - 06/07/19 12:53 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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I didn't ban anyone. But I did point out legitimate sites come here and contact me to ask permission to promote their site. I have requirements when they do that, among other things, they include any costs or requirements to join and that sort of thing. However, when we have a similar site trolling for new members, we call it out so that when people search their name, outsiders can see what's up. We didn't go to their site and ask people to leave there so that their stuff actually gets noticed by people. We don't have nearly the number of posters we once did (no message board does, which is why most big companies got rid of their message boards and others shut down completely) but we still get significant traffic seeing/hearing/reading posts.

As for that week described in the posts shared above, we had a bunch of targeted attacks from Chinese Spam Farms, and we had over 100K fake accounts attempted to be set up to mass spam our site. It cost thousands of dollars to shut it down. A couple accounts made it through and when I was out of town, they unleashed a mass spam effort. Facebook et. al. have large teams of millionaire software engineers who keep on top of all this stuff. We don't.

It's a free site and a free org that is 34 years old. In the 20+ years we've had a message board, the entire amount of spam that has made it on our site is tiny. It sucks when long time members who know better, instead of perhaps sending me a message to tell me there was a problem, they instead go on to another site and paint a picture like that one issue was a regular thing. That site will have it's day in the barrel, and it will be interesting to see how much better they handle it. Or perhaps they don't get the traffic we get so no one will notice them. I've never heard of or been to their site and have no idea who runs it.

In our history we've only had one other site where it's members or their staff come here and disrupt our site. Their efforts did them no favors and though they all thought it was hilarious on their site, which was a pretty vile, hate filled group in general, no one ever really gave a crap about them or their site that mattered in the real world. One of our large sponsors at the time said their reputation was that it was just a bunch of idiots making money off of other idiots who liked to sniff the farts of their "stars" there. This was the second time it has happened in over 20 years. I don't forget, but I do forgive sometimes if it is deserved. We'll see where it goes going forward.

As for people here who post negative stuff about us on other sites, I've had people tell me already, but I didn't see what was actually written in this case, so thanks to 90 db for sharing the actual text. It is what it is, so now it's here in the open and we move on. Plenty of people have criticized me or the org. in the past, that is par for the course. But sincere issues are usually handled directly, not under the protection of another site behind our backs. So now we know that too.

Moving on...


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#1153895 - 06/07/19 01:37 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Please accept my apologies for joining this conversation. I doubt it would have gone on as long as it has had I not thought rational discussion and civil exchange could resolve it.


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#1153914 - 06/08/19 03:32 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Gary,

So we are the irrational people? I didn't post stuff about you somewhere I know you don't go painting you in a really negative light when I knew that was not who you were. You did that.

A couple days of a spammer coming on while I was out of town and you brand us as spam filled? When you saw it did you attempt to alert me that there was a problem? No... no you didn't. Was it gone minutes after someone did? Yes... yes it was.

But for some it is better to bitch about something elsewhere in a gossip post than an attempt to solve it here. That might take 15 seconds of your time.

The rest of your comments I had heard about from others and they only show that you know little about what goes on here and why, or on message boards in general.

I did learn something useful here though. If people are stressing out over the old unused chapter/city/region boards project which had to be cancelled when I fell ill, perhaps I should hide them until later. So it wasn't all a complete waste of time. And if people care about the glitched emails that say "1969" on the very last pages of some of the boards, well, if your schedule is empty enough to notice that, I really can't help you.

It takes so little to trigger people to complain these days. I can't imagine if we actually did something wrong. I would have appreciated (but did NOT ask for or even want) a sincere apology, but one that takes a backhanded swipe at us yet again is BS. I truly thought you were better than that Gary and anything I would say about you I would say directly to your online face in the open or via direct PM, long before I would say it elsewhere. As a self described "wordsmith" who half the time calls us JTP, the "joke" really wasn't very well written. Here, let me try:

"I posted my lyrics on JPF the other day and I got some great advice. It said "if I was having problems where it counts, I should take this drug they were offering and it would fix everything for me." Sure it was spam, but wouldn't you know that I tried it and my lyrics still stink, but my sex life is great" -Rimshot.

I had already forgotten about reports on what you were saying elsewhere (including where it took place, and I usually hear about others as well, not that I am asking for more of it, I am not) it just comes with the territory no matter what you do good or bad, and because I am super busy, but you don't want to let it go. So again I will say:

Moving on...


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#1153915 - 06/08/19 07:40 AM Re: Songwriter's Junction [Re: ckiphen]  
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Brian, this confirms that you endorse allegations against me despite my attestations that there is no malice or derision in my posts.

They were not private messages but public posts, that, again, I thought were just humorous ways of conversing.

If the allegations against me had any truth in them I would have been covert about it.

As a newly returned JPF visitor I saw the pharmaceutical ads and assumed they were not unusual, as I've seen them on other sites as well, unrelenting. Thinking myself a clever boy I took JPF and recognized that the P could stand for pharmaceutical.

Now you are publicly pillorying me, endorsing the allegation that I did so with malice. As a visitor I didn't know the ads were unusual and might need to be reported by me, when for days so many long-time members did not seem concerned enough to do so.

You've nitpicked your way through, finding JTP errors, and made your decision. You have a right to your opinion. You own the site so you have judicial authority, and must have to make judgments about what happens here.

Again, my apologies to all for this extremely negative experience. It won't happen again.


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My Apologies as well. Poor choice of words on my part. Will not happen again.


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