Who's Online Now
25 registered members (Dave Rice, couchgrouch, CWMusic, ckiphen, Everett Adams, 9ne, Brian Austin Whitney, Fdemetrio, 4 invisible), and 315 guests, and
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Member Spotlight
Gary E. Andrews
Gary E. Andrews
Portsmouth, Ohio, USA
Posts: 1,789
Joined: December 2006
Show All Member Profiles 
What's Going On
ChrisWMusic
by Gavin Sinclair. 08/04/20 05:50 PM
Edit: ALL Corona Virus Post MUST Go Here
by John Lawrence Schick. 08/04/20 05:28 PM
Tell Me
by Travis david. 08/04/20 04:01 PM
Michelangelo/ re- write
by ckiphen. 08/04/20 03:38 PM
Don't Send My Ashes to My Exes /NEWER BRIDGE
by John W. Selleck. 08/04/20 01:51 PM
Peace of Mind
by Nigel Quin. 08/04/20 09:29 AM
Natural Melodies?
by Fdemetrio. 08/04/20 09:27 AM
Piano (instrumental)
by Nigel Quin. 08/04/20 09:23 AM
::: FUNNY GROOVY SUMMERTIME :::
by Nigel Quin. 08/04/20 09:14 AM
BREATHING, GROWING
by Travis david. 08/04/20 08:06 AM
Runaway Train
by Marvin Adcock. 08/04/20 06:19 AM
Encore in the house of the Lord
by John W. Selleck. 08/04/20 04:09 AM
This is for collaboration
by Fdemetrio. 08/04/20 12:03 AM
The Knee
by John W. Selleck. 08/03/20 09:47 PM
60 Happy Years
by Brian Austin Whitney. 08/03/20 06:00 PM
I Been There
by Songbird52. 08/03/20 03:43 PM
Conversations In A Minor Key
by Gerry. 08/03/20 10:12 AM
Busy Finding me/ demo
by Gerry. 08/03/20 10:04 AM
DAY OF RECKONING
by Travis david. 08/02/20 05:30 PM
Woodsongs: Surviving The Pandemic
by Gary E. Andrews. 08/02/20 09:16 AM
Hi it's glyn (glen)
by glynda. 08/02/20 02:48 AM
Hi It's Glyn (glenda or glynda)
by glynda. 08/02/20 02:38 AM
SHOWCASE: LYRICS/SONGS/ESSAYS BY GARY E. ANDREWS
by Gary E. Andrews. 08/02/20 02:23 AM
limericks
by Gavin Sinclair. 08/01/20 06:50 PM
Hard World Waiting
by Songbird52. 08/01/20 05:31 PM
Isn't Love Grand Selleck/Kay Tango!
by John W. Selleck. 08/01/20 05:15 PM
Love her till they die
by ckiphen. 08/01/20 09:34 AM
Live like you're dead
by ckiphen. 07/31/20 05:14 PM
Been Awhile
by ckiphen. 07/31/20 10:47 AM
VIDEO is done...”Spread Your Wings & Fly”
by Steve Altonian. 07/31/20 09:32 AM
Top Posters(All Time)
Calvin 19,834
Travis david 11,920
Kevin Emmrich 10,663
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,649
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 8,845
glynda 8,679
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
Colin Ward 7,909
couchgrouch 7,793
Dave Rice 7,757
Corey 7,357
Vicarn 6,618
Mark Kaufman 6,584
Wyman Lloyd 6,578
ben willis 6,107
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
niteshift 5,683
Linda Sings 5,608
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Neil Cotton 4,909
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,666
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,376
Roy Cooper 4,241
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,179
Cindy Miller 4,178
TamsNumber4 4,104
nightengale 4,096
MFB III 3,926
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,815
Dan Sullivan 3,710
beechnut79 3,580
E Swartz 3,515
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,890
Harriet Ames 2,870
Nigel Quin 2,846
MidniteBob 2,712
Nelson 2,603
Tom Tracy 2,558
Polly Hager 2,526
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Fdemetrio 2,461
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,242
Judy Hollier 2,232
Wendy D 2,219
Erica Ellis 2,202
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Sunset Poet 2,031
Marty Helly 2,027
maccharles 1,988
DukeWill 1,988
floyd jane 1,985
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,650
Noel Downs 1,620
Rick Heenan 1,608
Cal 1,574
Jack Swain 1,554
GocartMoz 1,552
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
Tom Franz 1,473
RogerS 1,471
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Rick Norton 1,429
Kenneth Cade 1,429
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,408
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Deej56 1,314
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,292
DakLander 1,265
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,230
Gerry 1,220
Glen King 1,214
IdeaGuy 1,209
lane1777 1,184
AaronAuthier 1,177
summeoyo 1,172
Diane Ewing 1,158
joro 1,082
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
Tony A 1,016
IronKnee 1,009
argo 986
peaden 984
Wolvman 960
90 dB 943
9ne 930
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 829
Juan 797
TKO 784
Dayson 781
frahmes 781
teletwang 762
ant 747
Andy K 746
tbryson 737
Andy Kemp 734
Jackie444 731
3daveyO3 704
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Irwin 672
Katziis 652
Pat Hardy 641
Moosesong 640
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 589
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
JAPOV 563
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
R&M 527
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 511
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
ckiphen 429
Rob L 426
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Cecilee 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
spidey 371
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#1152607 - 04/11/19 12:48 PM The current state of singing synthesizers.  
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
RonnieDean Offline
Top 500 Poster
RonnieDean  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
Keystone, CO USA
You probably know about Vocaloid and it's offshoots UTAU and Alter-Ego. None of these measure up unless you are Japanese apparently, as they go for hologram superstars lip synced to Vocaloid en masse.

That said, and at a singer and funding deficit here, I keep my ears open for advancement in this wide open area of technical opportunity.

Last year I found Synthesizer V. A creation of Kanru Hua an Asian national in Illinois. What attracted me at first was the English web site, if you've ever surfed around the Vocaloid site, you know what I mean. I downloaded the demo and the only English singer database available right now, "Eleanore Forte". There is a hint of Asian accent, and way too "proper" English enunciation that can be worked around with purposeful mis-spelling of words. But for female guide tracks and maybe even production it's the best thing I have heard yet. By no means is the technology redneck ready yet but if this is interesting to any of you fellow writers, the website is here. https://synthesizerv.com. And the delightfully multinational forum is at https://forum.synthesizerv.com/

It's neat also in that it can sync along with DAW software like a rewire client which is just super cool.

Hear Eleanore Forte sing "Password to my heart" here.

https://www.reverbnation.com/ronnierocks/song/30173848-password-to-my-heart-with-elenore

#1152654 - 04/13/19 10:36 AM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,757
Dave Rice Online content
Top 30 Poster
Dave Rice  Online Content
Top 30 Poster

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,757
Texas
Hi Ronnie:

I listened to "Password" on your Reverb Page and enjoyed it. If I understand what you are doing here... utilizing a synth based vocal converter (Eleanore Forte) to sing your own vocal as you play. Please let me know if I've mis-interpereted things 'cause the idea has merit for singers who want to sound different or mask their own singing style. (In my case, it would be "crappy vocal ability!" LOL!)

Usually, ideas like this are "discovered" or invented by more than one individual because knowledge and the passage of time allow humans to recognize "problems in need of a solution" on a broad front. The Japanese Culture is certainly an incubator for this type singing. No offense intended. I am reminded of the invention of the "Chip" in America... making it possible to overcome the "Tyranny of Numbers." This allowed the construction of computers that did not take up a half-acre building. (One of the three, an Engineer from Kansas who worked for Texas Instruments, Jack Kilby, a Nobel Laureate, just died recently.)

Keep us posted, when convenient, about your future endeavors and discoveries about this interesting topic.

Thanks for sharing, ----Dave

#1152656 - 04/13/19 11:53 AM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: Dave Rice]  
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
RonnieDean Offline
Top 500 Poster
RonnieDean  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
Keystone, CO USA
Dave, you cant sing into this software and have it come out eleanored in real time though some have clamored for that. You either place individual notes on a piano roll like you might for any synth in a daw, or you can import a midi composition of the vocal track and it will lay the notes in placing the word "la" in each note, then you can edit the "la" notes to words for your song. You can add vibrato, glides and stuff too. Download the software its free or 80 bucks to get rid of the nag screen. If you do, you must also grab the Eleanor forte free vocal database as the synth v download doesn't come with it.

#1152657 - 04/13/19 12:02 PM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 2,461
Fdemetrio Online content
Top 200 Poster
Fdemetrio  Online Content
Top 200 Poster

Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 2,461
Originally Posted by RonnieDean
Dave, you cant sing into this software and have it come out eleanored in real time though some have clamored for that. You either place individual notes on a piano roll like you might for any synth in a daw, or you can import a midi composition of the vocal track and it will lay the notes in placing the word "la" in each note, then you can edit the "la" notes to words for your song. You can add vibrato, glides and stuff too. Download the software its free or 80 bucks to get rid of the nag screen. If you do, you must also grab the Eleanor forte free vocal database as the synth v download doesn't come with it.


Sounds pretty good. It's kinda scary actually, but i guess it shouldnt be any stranger than having somebody play bass guitar on your song who has never heard your song doesnt know you or how its being used, so.

I guess this is why its important to be unique in music and songwriting, our uniqueness is all we have really.

Last edited by Fdemetrio; 04/13/19 12:03 PM.
#1152667 - 04/13/19 02:00 PM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,757
Dave Rice Online content
Top 30 Poster
Dave Rice  Online Content
Top 30 Poster

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,757
Texas
Thanks, Ronnie:

I always hope someone has come up with a better method for enhancing vocals. Midi has never been attractive to me or my "set-up" but it certainly has made it's mark on music. Sad the "user" has to pay 80 bucks to get rid of the nag screen... LOL! So, for me, it's back under the house... same game!

#1152686 - 04/14/19 11:07 AM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,820
Everett Adams Online content
Top 40 Poster
Everett Adams  Online Content
Top 40 Poster

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,820
,NL Canada
Ronnie I listened to you singing and you sound good except your voice should be more up front.

#1152687 - 04/14/19 11:18 AM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: Everett Adams]  
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
RonnieDean Offline
Top 500 Poster
RonnieDean  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
Keystone, CO USA
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Ronnie I listened to you singing and you sound good except your voice should be more up front.


You must be speaking of the song "By My Side" as that's the only one up at my reverbnation page that is me singing. That vocal performance is so "by hand" tuned it's silly because I can't sing for diddly poo. Sometimes I'm flat and sharp at the same time!

As for the vocals being to far back, I had promised a new uploaded mix but haven't done it yet.

#1152701 - 04/14/19 10:53 PM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
RonnieDean Offline
Top 500 Poster
RonnieDean  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
Keystone, CO USA
One other significant thing about Synth V that I didn't mention. You can import the instrumental backing track of your choosing right into the Synth V editor. Then make a vocal track against it by placing notes. You can export the vocal track from that arrangement for use elsewhere, Like in your DAW or other recording medium.

#1152702 - 04/15/19 07:03 AM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,820
Everett Adams Online content
Top 40 Poster
Everett Adams  Online Content
Top 40 Poster

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,820
,NL Canada
Beauty is in the ear of the listener. We are sometimes our own worst critic. I too consider myself a less than desirable singer but some people say they like my singing. Maybe they have a tin ear (lol) or maybe I can't hear myself as others hear me. When I record myself I am using a very cheap mic, which does not help my voice, onto a cassette tape, which is not the best at reproducing what was recorded onto it. I know singing is not my gift and I have yet to prove in a real way that songwriting is. Only time will tell and my time is getting short.

#1152735 - 04/16/19 02:28 PM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 19,044
Brian Austin Whitney Online content
Brian Austin Whitney  Online Content

Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 19,044
Indianapolis, IN USA
If you think of it, music is 12 notes and all we do as composers is take those same 12 elements and construct them in a unique way coming from our unique talent (or lack thereof, but still producing something unique). So stuff like this is just a natural extension of this and no more or less valid than any other version. I think it will be fun when someone can sing in real time and have a pro level voice come out in return with all the variations of vocal styles represented in menus like sounds on your synth or settings on your guitar effects.

Thanks for sharing!

Brian


Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
jpfolkspro@gmail.com
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney
Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney

"It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..."

[Linked Image]
#1152736 - 04/16/19 02:48 PM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: Everett Adams]  
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
RonnieDean Offline
Top 500 Poster
RonnieDean  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
Keystone, CO USA
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Beauty is in the ear of the listener. We are sometimes our own worst critic. I too consider myself a less than desirable singer but some people say they like my singing. Maybe they have a tin ear (lol) or maybe I can't hear myself as others hear me. When I record myself I am using a very cheap mic, which does not help my voice, onto a cassette tape, which is not the best at reproducing what was recorded onto it. I know singing is not my gift and I have yet to prove in a real way that songwriting is. Only time will tell and my time is getting short.


You still use cassettes?!
Wow. Good for you.

#1152750 - 04/16/19 09:58 PM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 19,044
Brian Austin Whitney Online content
Brian Austin Whitney  Online Content

Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 19,044
Indianapolis, IN USA
Originally Posted by RonnieDean
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Beauty is in the ear of the listener. We are sometimes our own worst critic. I too consider myself a less than desirable singer but some people say they like my singing. Maybe they have a tin ear (lol) or maybe I can't hear myself as others hear me. When I record myself I am using a very cheap mic, which does not help my voice, onto a cassette tape, which is not the best at reproducing what was recorded onto it. I know singing is not my gift and I have yet to prove in a real way that songwriting is. Only time will tell and my time is getting short.


You still use cassettes?!
Wow. Good for you.




Ronnie, I LOVED cassette.. my favorite medium. I had an 8 track recorder that used Cassettes and it was great. You got the warmth of tape and cheap medium and pre-computer it was so easy to make copies. I remember when CD recorders first came out blank CD's cost $12 a piece!!!! I recall spending $1000 dollars for 100 of them at a time when they were supposedly in short supply (they actually had news stories saying they were running out of the natural resource they used to make CD's which turns out was such FAKE NEWS! But I needed them and spent the money, which was MORE than the cost of buying a CD from an artist. The music industry has had no end to the fake changing of formats... most audiophiles STILL swear Vinyl sounds best. I am not sure I agree for normal humans (some of these folks spend insane money on their gear) but I do prefer the sound of music on tape over CD.

What do you all think?


Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
jpfolkspro@gmail.com
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney
Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney

"It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..."

[Linked Image]
#1152752 - 04/16/19 10:43 PM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
RonnieDean Offline
Top 500 Poster
RonnieDean  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 352
Keystone, CO USA
I've finally been delivered from the cd and now master 44.1khz 16 bit straight to the sd card in my phone wirelessly. It was nearing the need for intervention. I had cds falling out of an over stressed visor holder that was stuffed with mix version after mix version of the same song. My car stereo started to get flakey and so I bought a new one with bluetooth from Walmart for $20.00 - How could I not? It has no CD. It sounds the same and no longer skips hitting potholes so it's all good.

#1152761 - 04/17/19 06:58 AM Re: The current state of singing synthesizers. [Re: RonnieDean]  
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,820
Everett Adams Online content
Top 40 Poster
Everett Adams  Online Content
Top 40 Poster

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 6,820
,NL Canada
I use to record to cassette and then put it onto my hard drive until I figured out how to record directly to my PC. LOL I'm not very computer smart but I'm learning slowly.

Cassettes were easy to slip into your pants pocket, don't try that with CDs or LP.LOL They took up less storage space in the glove box in your car too. I only heard myself recorded once in a studio and wondered who that was singing. LOL Still didn't like my voice. lol


Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Newest Members
CWMusic, CBAY, mrpeepshow, Craig Allen, Styillz
21285 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums116
Topics120,598
Posts1,134,870
Members21,285
Average Posts Daily36
Most Online37,523
Jan 25th, 2020
Just Plain Quotes
"The standard by which I now measure the things in my life is the following: If I was on my death bed, or if I knew I had a short time to live, would this issue be important? If the answer is no.. I don't sweat it at all. If the answer is Yes, you better believe it goes to the front of the order of today's business!" -Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0