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#1150790 - 02/08/19 05:07 PM The onslaught of the machines has accelerated  
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This topic recurs here so I thought that I'd throw it out again.

Just went to Home Depot and bought something. Have not been in a while.
All of the cashiers were replaced by automated cashier stations. With only a couple of attendants to assist people with the automated cashiers. The place looked so empty, I wondered if it was open.

None of the automated stations appeared to write songs also...but maybe next year.

Martin

#1150791 - 02/08/19 05:19 PM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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At least when a machine breaks down you could have people who fixed them, but now machines fix the machines too.

It helps alot of people save money, but it prevents others from making money

Reminds me of this, great album although this piece is only a few seconds long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MSmGuY1iEs



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#1150797 - 02/08/19 09:35 PM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Well, Humm,
You reminded me of the song/rendition of WHO DOES ALL THE WORK by Archie Campbell. Google it. Also Red Buttons NEVER GOT A DINNER. And we have a "No-Name Greenhorn advocating a New Green Mile or some other such nonsense. Write A Hit!


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#1150803 - 02/09/19 03:39 AM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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There's talk of forcing companies who automate away jobs with robots etc. to make them pay payroll taxes and income taxes commiserate to what a human and the company would pay if the human was employed doing that job. That would still save the company a lot of money, but those fund would keep the govt. from crashing and could be used to train or develop jobs for humans. I am not usually for any of that nonsense, especially since govt. wastes or steals about 90% of the money they take in, but certainly something has to be done.

I am NOT for automated cars. One reason is the incredible loss of work not just of the drivers, but all the people involved in supporting that driver (from office people to schedulers to mechanics since most of these smart vehicles will only be repaired as fleet vehicles by the manufacturer and will require advanced degrees in some cases OR will also be replaced by robot mechanic systems and so on). Some have estimated that this one new technology would replace 40% of the jobs done by humans in the USA. (Add to it all the people involved in oil and gas production etc.). Ironically all these environment quacks pushing these vehicles don't seem to have a clue about the fact that these cars are for the most part powered by.... wait for it.... COAL! They really don't seem to understand that most of our energy still comes from coal plants and natural gas plants. In addition, few things if any pollute the planet MORE than making those god awful batteries they put in these cars, plus when they are exhausted, disposing of them is yet another massively destructive dirty poisonous mess to deal with. Solar panels, which are still woefully inadequate, also pollute terribly at both ends of production/disposal. It is ALL a big fat con! Just as the false claims that we are running out of oil and gas drove the fake media for decades.

Another reason to be against the automation is sooner than you think, you will be BANNED from driving, being forced to scrap your car for a much more expensive automated car and sooner than you think you'll be banned from even owning that vehicle (after they ream you out with nasty usage tax schemes so only the rich will be able to have the freedom to drive when and where they want without big government motors spying on every moment of it.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD! Just as cloning is a bad idea but something they could do (and likely have done) already. Gene editing will lead to better health they will say while they euthanize all the defective people who have things like type one diabetes or down syndrome (they are already genociding them via abortion in Iceland to 100% elimination). Automated cars are not desirable in the big picture unless you desire being a slave.

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#1150808 - 02/09/19 11:15 AM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Aw, Yes,
The Shmoo is back! Al Capp, where are you when we need you!

P.S. The Shmoo was a character in the L'il Abner comic strip that could be anything anyone wanted him to be.

A lot of Pipe Dreams out there. I think 1984 may finally be here.


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#1150810 - 02/09/19 11:21 AM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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It's unescapable really. It's like the government raising minimum wages. What do you think will happen in the job market? Ok so we have to pay you more money, so what will we do? Hire less people to do the same work. Talk about multi tasking?

Cashiers will be asked to paint the walls too. Bus Drivers will be asked to clean the buses and fix them too.

It's great for the person working hard for no reward, but its going to lead to more unemployment and more hardship on the job because companies will still find ways to save money and hurt the working man

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#1150812 - 02/09/19 12:08 PM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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These machines are coming and nothing is likely to stop them. Like FD brought up, I don't know where all those concerns lead. No place good that I can see. Machines will paint the walls not cashiers. I've seen some of those concepts in development. It doesn't look like that's far off either.

The govt is buried in un-payable debt, so the resources arent there to hand out checks forever.
I read that the millenials prefer interacting with apps to humans, so they are, in a sense, ushering in the machines that will replace them.

All I can do is wonder.

#1150815 - 02/09/19 01:31 PM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Humm,
I do have the Star Wars Movie THE ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Maybe I need to get it out and watch it. Maybe they know something we don't know.


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#1150816 - 02/09/19 01:45 PM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Humm,
I do have the Star Wars Movie THE ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Maybe I need to get it out and watch it. Maybe they know something we don't know.


Roy

If you wanna see what the great grandfather to those clones looks like....go buy something at Home Depot. wink

#1150817 - 02/09/19 02:01 PM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Eh, Well,
I do have 3 grandchildren two boys and a girl who all know they have to work if they are going to be successful. And all three of them are working and doing fairly well. Gramps and Grandma do help out once in a while but for the most part they are doing ok on their own so while there are a lot of obstacles out there they are and have learned to navigate them pretty well. So I think the world isn't coming to an end just yet in spite of the naysayers.


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#1150819 - 02/10/19 05:19 AM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
It's unescapable really. It's like the government raising minimum wages. What do you think will happen in the job market? Ok so we have to pay you more money, so what will we do? Higher less people to do the same work. Talk about multi tasking?

Cashiers will be asked to paint the walls too. Bus Drivers will be asked to clean the buses and fix them too.

It's great for the person working hard for no reward, but its going to lead to more unemployment and more hardship on the job because companies will still find ways to save money and hurt the working man


What you say is true, but it isn't the worst thing. Forcing companies to artificially raise salaries regardless of experience or what the job entails or what a company can afford to pay for that amount of work, it will devastate EVERYONE who earns above those minimum amounts too. Because it increases inflation. That is why the worst ever idea of a basic minimum income (my God is this a concept from HELL) simply means the cost of everything will go up by the same amount. Before Government intervention into medical care, a bottle of insulin for type 1 diabetics was in the $40 dollar range, already up from 4 dollars 20 years earlier) but now since Govt. is paying for it, it costs $300 a bottle and rising. And this is for a medicine that has not changed in any way since 1990 when it was first created or 1996 when it was approved for market. So in 23 years the cost per bottle went from $14 dollars to $314 and up in some places. Why? Because they know the government will pay it plain and simple.. and when it hits $500, they will STILL pay for it.. even though nothing new has been done to improve it since 1990. They were building in the cost of research at $14 (the insulin it replaced cost $4 dollars a bottle and is now banned for sale because it can be made from pigs and cows and they don't want that. Humulog can only be made in a trademark protected secret factory where they use god only knows what from what source (I fear it comes from dead babies but that is just my suspicion as well as others) as it is a "synthetically produced human product" meaning what? They use stem cells perhaps? Or worse?

Raising minimum wage just means that now I get 15 an hour and now things that used to cost 7.50 cost 15 dollars. Look at the price of something mundane like lunch meat. I eat home made sandwiches to stay away from fast food. But now the very same roast beef I bought for 7.99 a pound (which was high as most other types like ham costs 6.99 a pound at the time) now costs 12.99 a pound and that change happened in 15 months according to the Kroger manager I spoke with. Ham was now 9.99 a pound for the cheap stuff and 10.99 for the higher grade stuff. And that's just one item, they have ALL gone up and keep racing up.

We are SOOOO screwed and we're enslaved by these damn banks... we may need, as an entire country, to declare war not on a country but on the entire banking system to get out of it. Instead, the banks will instruct our "leaders" to go to war, kill millions, spend trillions, borrowing it all to go deeper in debt because it's not the principle they ever plan to get back, it's impossible.. they want us paying all our money to INTEREST on the debt, so that we have no choice but to liquidate our military and bases to keep paying the interest to these banks. The next shooting war should not by Syria or Venezuela, if it has to happen, it should be the Fed and all the International Banking Cartel. It would be a short war and our kids wouldn't have to die in some foreign hell hole while they try to kill their kids all of whom are innocent.


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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
These machines are coming and nothing is likely to stop them. Like FD brought up, I don't know where all those concerns lead. No place good that I can see. Machines will paint the walls not cashiers. I've seen some of those concepts in development. It doesn't look like that's far off either.

The govt is buried in un-payable debt, so the resources arent there to hand out checks forever.
I read that the millenials prefer interacting with apps to humans, so they are, in a sense, ushering in the machines that will replace them.

All I can do is wonder.


Machines won't need to replace most millenials.. most aren't working already.


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#1150821 - 02/10/19 09:46 AM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
These machines are coming and nothing is likely to stop them. Like FD brought up, I don't know where all those concerns lead. No place good that I can see. Machines will paint the walls not cashiers. I've seen some of those concepts in development. It doesn't look like that's far off either.

The govt is buried in un-payable debt, so the resources arent there to hand out checks forever.
I read that the millenials prefer interacting with apps to humans, so they are, in a sense, ushering in the machines that will replace them.

All I can do is wonder.


Machines won't need to replace most millenials.. most aren't working already.



Yes. There's that.

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Aw, Yes. Minimum Wages,
I forgot until now, this reminded me, when in the Navy all the enlisted got a clothing allowance to pay for uniform replacements. From time to time we got a bit more in our allowance. Now wouldn't you know it. The price of clothing went up every time we got a raise! You want 15 dollars an hour? You are going to pay twenty dollars an hour to make up for it. Anybody priced a new Truck lately?


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#1150898 - 02/14/19 11:09 AM Re: The onslaught of the machines has accelerated [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Now that is quotable, Brian... machines replacing walking smart-phone holders!

When I get to the check-out area at Wally World, Homey Depot or other big box outfits with automated check out... I always let any manager I happen to see... know what a dumb damn idea that is! I refuse to do their work for them! Pay me for checking myself out and I might consider it! LOL!

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