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The "light" at the end of the Tunnel! LOL! Thanks for sharing. Even so, I won't believe it until it happens on a large scale over here on this side of the pond.

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Eh, Well,
This morning I am listening a CD of Buck Owens I copied from records bought in the 1960's! I also have a few CD's from the 50's that are heads above anything being released today. When Radio was no longer playing Classic Country it was still big in Europe. Yes, stuff from the 60's still plays maybe "Over there".

P.S. Don't tell MAB, he will accuse me of still living in the "Stone Age".

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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Eh, Well,
This morning I am listening a CD of Buck Owens I copied from records bought in the 1960's! I also have a few CD's from the 50's that are heads above anything being released today. When Radio was no longer playing Classic Country it was still big in Europe. Yes, stuff from the 60's still plays maybe "Over there".

P.S. Don't tell MAB, he will accuse of still living in the "Stone Age".


Ray, did you have electricity growing up?

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I think Millenials would like our music, but they wont be exposed to it. Kids idea of classic rock is songs used in car commercials or TV Shows/Movies. "They wouldnt put GREAT music on TV Commercials now would they"

BTW, The Who are used in everything. Car Commercials, CSI, TV Movies, Seques for Ball games, AT ball games. I saw a Hockey Game on Saturday, They played Who Are You, and Squeeze Box

But it all comes down to the music of your own time. I grew up in the 80's. I hated alot of it, but enjoyed alot of it, but either way there is something about hearing "Come on Eileen" that brings me back.






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Gee, "Bugsy"
How did you guess. Lectricity. What's that? Actually we didn't have Electricity until the early 50's. So I grew up with Coal and wood for fuel. But we did have running water. We had to run and get it! My mother cooked on a 4 Burner Wood Stove. I did lots of farm work, something those young folk know nothing about. I fed livestock, milked cows, put up hay, planted corn, with a mechanical planter, one hill at a time, and shoveled out barns! What did you do in your youth, "Bugsy" ???


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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Gee, "Bugsy"
How did you guess. Lectricity. What's that? Actually we didn't have Electricity until the early 50's. So I grew up with Coal and wood for fuel. But we did have running water. We had to run and get it! My mother cooked on a 4 Burner Wood Stove. I did lots of farm work, something those young folk know nothing about. I fed livestock, milked cows, put up hay, planted corn, with a mechanical planter, one hill at a time, and shoveled out barns! What did you do in your youth, "Bugsy" ???


Oh I was a tyrant. I "bugged" old guys like you. "Hey ya damn nuisance get off my lawn before I call the cops" Was that you Ray? We can laugh about it now right?

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My grandmother scrubbed my brother and I in a metal tub on the kitchen floor she did laundry in. Coal and wood stove, outhouse 50 yards away from the house. A cow and a donkey in the barn and a huge pen of turkeys raised, beheaded, gutted and plucked for a local supermarket. I tell my kids about it and their eyes glaze over while sneaking glances into their smart phones. My youngest son (19) can't read an analog clock. I asked him why that isn't taught in school and he asked back, "Dad, did you learn the sun dial when you were in school?"

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Originally Posted by Perry Neal Crawford
My grandmother scrubbed my brother and I in a metal tub on the kitchen floor she did laundry in. Coal and wood stove, outhouse 50 yards away from the house. A cow and a donkey in the barn and a huge pen of turkeys raised, beheaded, gutted and plucked for a local supermarket. I tell my kids about it and their eyes glaze over while sneaking glances into their smart phones. My youngest son (19) can't read an analog clock. I asked him why that isn't taught in school and he asked back, "Dad, did you learn the sun dial when you were in school?"


From what I understand, they dont even teach handwriting in school any more. "He never ever learned to read or write so well" He shoulda been born now he wouldnt of had to at all. It would seem to me that it still must be important to be able to write your name in script. How do you sign a check?

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Definitely crazy today how pop music is basically the same thing over and over.

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This has been done for a long long time. I learned how bad it was via our music awards process. I get music mostly from independent creators outside the system. It so much better, but it is quite different. I see the resistance to good music in favor of mundane and repetitive in our awards as well. We use 3 types of judges, Artists/Writers, Industry Professionals and Music Fans (but not just ANY music fans, fans WILLING to listen to many many hours of music from musicians they have never heard before which is a cut above someone willing to listen to 15 seconds of a song before declaring with all the fierceness of fire and brimstone preacher that "it sucks" and they simply have no time to waste on it, where's the "commercial stuff?" Meanwhile people who LOVE music want the adventure of surprise, breaking down of expectations and "moving them" if they are truly willing to be moved and not manipulated. The industry folks mostly vote for the stuff that is "commercially viable" no matter how much we emphasize it is just about what you LIKE. I regularly have gotten feedback from sometimes high level industry pro's who say "Brian, I followed your instructions and voted for what I liked, but NONE of what I voted for will sell, but I voted for it anyway because I really liked it and I even bought the CD by artist "x" because I want to listen to it" and I say "well, YES, that is what you are supposed to do..." and then follow with "why not play it for your colleagues and consider signing these folks to a deal, they are great live, I have seen them" and without a pause they will say "I could NEVER play this for them and suggest that, I want to keep my job!" Now these are people who know me and truly love music, but I will never forget an early meeting I had in the offices of a big big company in NYC and I went back to one of the execs offices and he had a small stack of CD's on his desk near his CD player (he was an A&R guy) and I saw an artist I knew from JPF and I said "Isn't "X" great! Are you thinking of signing them?" and he said "oh, no, those are my personal listening CD's to play while I work on stuff here and in the car when I am not working, and I love all that stuff, but none of it would ever get signed. I was shocked! I always thought that these people just didn't like some music that I loved so they didn't sign them, and he said "no, it has nothing at all to do with what we like or listen to, it is only about what will sell or what we're told to look for and push." And so began my long education into the reality of how the music business really worked. I argued perhaps if you signed that artist, other people would like it as well, and he said SOME people WOULD like it, but not enough. And I said "but how do you know it won't sell if you never sign it?" and he said "because I have a mortgage and a wife and 3 kids and live in NYC, I am not stupid. This is business, commerce, not art. Never assume the two have much in common, it is rare when they do!" That was a lesson I never forgot and which was reinforced over and over ever since. A&R people weren't people who discovered GREAT music, they were people who discovered music that would SELL to the masses, and rarely does it happen when both apply. Far more rare than the artists they sign which were never more than a handful industry wide per year even in the heyday. On a good year, an A&R artist would sign 2 or even 3 artists. Most years they would sign 1 artist. But on a GREAT year, they would sign nobody. Why? Because that was a year where they knew they'd have a job for another year! Most A&R guys got to miss 1 single time. Proven A&R could sometimes miss more than once, but rarely twice or thrice in a row. They'd be gone no matter how successful they had been. So they signed safe, cookie cutter music that wouldn't offend the snowflake ears of the public and they left the really GREAT music to the indie labels to do ALL the work and take ALL the risk to whittle them down until the public caught up with the artistic attributes of the public and became established, then they'd chase the trend until it was well worn out before repeating.

And if the indie label had an artist signed long term that the label saw was actually selling but who wouldn't release the artist for whatever reason? No problem, the major label just bought the entire indie label, took the one or two artists that were or would sell, and cut all the rest including the staff, and they'd hire the guy who found and developed the big new thing and then he'd get a cushy job in NYC where he'd sign no one if he was smart and ride out his reputation as a Svengali who found artist "X" until another indie label found a sure thing that was selling and they needed a new thing after beating the old one to death and he'd make a deal to buy that label to get that one or two artists, rinse and repeat. OR, they'd make the mistake of doing what they had done at the indie label and they'd sign artists they loved and when the first one flopped (usually the first one) they'd be out on their butts, while the label would milk many millions out of his original find and he got a nice but brief taste of the good life. Many of those guys became bitter and eventually preyed on innocent and clueless little nobodies bilking them out of their nickles and dimes chasing the dream as an established "expert" who signed "X" back in the day, so ANYTHING he says is like the word of God, and if I only pay him more and more money, he'll make me famous too... which never happens.. rinse... repeat.

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Disgusting. No wonder the music on radio is so mundane. It is almost like brainwashing. Keep giving the people the same old thing so they believe this is how it should be.

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...it actually is "Brainwashing!" The media, movie makers, Gizmo makers and Social Media enablers have been deliberately "dumbing us down" for quite some time. The "net" is a big pit... and the pendulum is ready to swing any day now. Just go anywhere public, grab a seat with a view and watch all the numbo's walking around peering into their "Smart Phones!" LOL! Smart indeed. Stealing their credit card numbers, taking unauthorized photos of the users and God knows what. Yep, modern day "slaves!"

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Disgusting. No wonder the music on radio is so mundane. It is almost like brainwashing. Keep giving the people the same old thing so they believe this is how it should be.


Radio has controlled us since it's inception. Before all this internet stuff, how did you hear music? You turned on the radio, maybe you turned on MTV. Either way, you were told what was worth listening to. It's not that you couldnt like anything else, but you wouldnt hear it.

That's why being an indie is so hard. You are not considered worthy if you are not being played on the radio. I guess now it's more like if you're not being streamed.

But even today, how would I had heard of Coldplay, Or even Taylor Swift, some of the most popular pop bands out there, without radio.

There was always tens of thousands of artists and songs out there, it's just we never heard them.

Top 40 radio is not dead, there are still millions and millions of people who listen to top 40 radio in their car. Even if they have sattelite. They do it because they wanna hear what everybody else is hearing. It's like a societal bond or something.

I like Indies, but if I wasnt a musician I probably wouldnt care either.

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Aw, Humm,
Mellenials as well as everyone else will generally graviate to what they are most familar with. I read somewhere when Victrola started selling their Victrola, it was all acoustic by the way, they included a good set of records to go with it. Most likely popular music of the day. At that time the 78 RPM record was the thing.


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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Aw, Humm,
Mellenials as well as everyone else will generally graviate to what they are most familar with. I read somewhere when Victrola started selling their Victrola, it was all acoustic by the way, they included a good set of records to go with it. Most likely popular music of the day. At that time the 78 RPM record was the thing.


They gravitate to what's considered popular. If Beethoven was suddenly hip and cool again, he'd have billions of streams on spotify.

They should really try something like that out. Just to see what happens. Im guessing that if the public was fed Beethoven on radio and advertisements, and TV, that eventually the listener would accept it. Might take a while, but they accept crap like its fine wine.

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Attention span seems to diminish each generation. Beethoven requires more attention when listening. I wonder how many listeners of today, have listened to a complete symphony, opera, or piano concerto.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Attention span seems to diminish each generation. Beethoven requires more attention when listening. I wonder how many listeners of today, have listened to a complete symphony, opera, or piano concerto.

John smile


ill take it one step further, how many listeners of todays music have listened to a full length album? Or, listened to a song without doing something else?

I think music today is designed as background music, something to do while doing something else...(that's a title i have brewing)

But i think radio could influence people to listen to it, but it will never try it.

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