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#1145499 - 10/17/18 06:58 PM Lyrics that need music  
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Hi,

I am looking for a composer for my Christian lyrics. I also have love songs.

Please let me know if you are interested. Looking for acoustic guitar or what you feel the type of music the
lyrics need. I have had composers in the past for my children, rock, folk and ballad lyrics.
They were done to piano and guitar and turned out great.

Thank you.


Thanks for checking out my lyrics. I hope you enjoy them.
#1145501 - 10/17/18 09:59 PM Re: Lyrics that need music [Re: Lee M Streitz]  
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Hello, Lee:

It's been a while since I've seen you posting. Welcome back. As you probably know, melody writers and composers are in very high demand. I suspect the ratio of lyric writers to melody writers is ten to one... possibly even more one-sided.

There are professional composers and melody writers who make a living doing exactly what you are looking for right here at JPF. My question involves your desire to pay for those services?

Fortunately for me, I do both but do not profess to be a "hired gun." My efforts to build my own catalogue of recorded original songs does not include working with others. At my age, time is my most precious commodity. Because I wanted to hear my songs performed by other artists, I paid several people here at JPF to do at least a dozen demos of songs I had already completed and recorded, making their task fairly straightforward. I was generally pleased with the efforts of each of them but one composer/producer/vocalist stood out above all the rest. His work was reasonably priced (especially when compared to a Professional Nashville Demo) and his response was timely. He delivered a set of files that included the final MP3 song, a WAV File of the same... plus a music only WAV file in case I wanted to implant my own vocal on it at a later date.

If you care to hear an example of this man's work for me, go to the MP3 forum and find a song on the second or possibly third page called, "I Remember Autumn." Somewhere else on one of those many pages is a song called, "Trailer Trash" also done by the same individual. This should give you an idea of his versatility and the "product" he is capable of delivering. Please note: I don't post my own songs here at JPF. Instead, I spend most of my time attempting to encourage others.

At last check, his clientele list had grown to the point that delivery times were sometimes twelve weeks depending upon his workload at the time. He always sent an approval low quality demo in advance, subject to my review and or changes.

The amazing thing to me was his originality, experience and very high work ethic. He was not afraid to suggest changes if he thought the song needed them... but was not "pushy" or argumenative. Even more so... his cost to me for these services were significantly lower than a Demo from Music Row or other well known center of musical activity.

Send me a PM and I'll be happy to share details except for his specific standard pricing because it may have changed since he last did a song for me. I have no "axe to grind" in this work for hire opportunity. It would be strictly between the two of you and I have absolutely nothing to gain from mentioning this to you.

On the other side of the coin, you may find a talented composer willing to share credit with you on a 50/50 split... before a publisher gets involved (if that actually happens in today's music environment.)

Best of luck to you.

----Dave

#1145506 - 10/18/18 07:31 AM Re: Lyrics that need music [Re: Lee M Streitz]  
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#1145516 - 10/18/18 05:47 PM Re: Lyrics that need music [Re: Lee M Streitz]  
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Hi,

Thank you Dave, for getting back to me. I am just looking to collaborate with someone right now. I have paid people in the past also, but it gets to be a lot. Otherwise, I have just collaborated with composers before and neither of us paid each other. It was just out of a composer liking my lyrics and knew of good music that would go along with it.

My piano teacher is from the UK and she'd compose music just out of joy of doing it. The music turned out real nice and of course we would like to see them published sometime. I was involved in ASCAP, a while back, but unfortunately they closed their collaboration corner, which again, was just for free.

Thanks and I will keep this in mind. Good luck to you.


Thanks for checking out my lyrics. I hope you enjoy them.
#1145518 - 10/18/18 08:56 PM Re: Lyrics that need music [Re: Lee M Streitz]  
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I hope I'll be forgiven for doing a double post in one-fell-swoop.

Thanks, 9ne for taking time to post the links to the songs Mike Z. demoed for me. Many of you won't believe how inexpensive they were... especially when considering how well they turned out.

Lee:

It is a tough situation for lyricists now, just as it has been in the past. Before I forget, please give Nadia my regards if you exchange e-mails still. I am also disappointed with ASCAP and the general direction (or lack of it) they appear to be taking by supporting the "streamers."

Best of luck to you... and best wishes for success in music.

----Dave

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#1145714 - 10/27/18 02:26 AM Re: Lyrics that need music [Re: Lee M Streitz]  
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We hear from time to time of many lyric writers who dont compose

music, having paid some company or individual to write the music

for their lyrics, any experienced song writer would know that is not

the way to go because the time spent giving a lyric a great melody

with suitable PROSODY ; can not be measured as a rule of thumb so

to speak . regardless of the one hit wonders who claim to have

written a hit in a couple of hours , and with that in mind I remind

wannabe writers of an article I read from A S C A P a year or two ago

The article , quoted an important rule members should be aware of ,

It stated that if any Lyric Writer Actually Paid for a Song Lyric to be put to

music, they would have nothing to do with the finished article

I belive their viewpoint is that the likely hood of arriving at a song that

some established Pro Singer would record via this process are in fact NIL


Yes Streaming as it is at this time is ruining the business Dave I think we

are in agreement there

Watching a popular Daily T V show on English T V Yesterday, I was

pleased to hear that A Top Recording Company based in the U K were

releasing the latest Album by the featured Established Singer/Songwriter

in three formats -VINYL ----- -C D----- and the Streaming Process

That at the least is a step in the right direction as I'm sure most here would agree

Last edited by Cheyenne; 10/27/18 02:48 AM.

One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.

In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1145779 - 10/28/18 08:40 AM Re: Lyrics that need music [Re: Lee M Streitz]  
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Hi Cheyenne:

I agree with you on "all counts" and would never suggest that a lyricist should pay for a melody-writer. It is often a problem finding a melody-writer or composer willing to work with an unknown lyricist. (Composers are so out-numbered by lyricists.) For that reason, lyricists should learn or at least explore the process of creating a melody. Having some idea about the tempo and genre of the eventual song produced from their words is so rewarding. If a co-writer is a composer, I always hope they share the direction of the eventual song's melody with the lyricist and seek his/her input and approval before blindly charging ahead with it.

Many beginning lyricists mistake poetry for lyric writing. Although the two processes are often similar, there are many subtle differences. Both styles of writing are important art-forms in their own right.

Co-writing is a partnership and finding that good relationship where both parties are comfortable with each other is so important. Because it can be a real challenge to express your feelings about a line or phrase, etc. ... without being offensive sounding... co-writing is often difficult.

The Demo Artist (who can be...and often is, the co-writer/composer) enters the picture after the two partners agree the song has reached that point. If there are production costs involved, the two partners (or sometimes several partners) should agree how the costs will be shared... before they begin the work.

Because of the difficulties and logistics mentioned above, I tend to prefer writing and composing alone. The only person I can argue with... without hurting my feelings... is myself!
...and I have become my own worst critic. Sometimes at the expense of the work being created.

Songwriting is often the hardest challenge an individual can attempt.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Cheyenne.

----Dave


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