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#1144672 - 09/14/18 04:28 PM How many of you wrote number 1 songs  
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How many of you wrote number 1 songs for singers?


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#1144676 - 09/14/18 04:37 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Humm,
No songs released but you can check out 15 of my songs under Rays Music at http://www.geocities.ws/fiverosesmusicgroup/


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#1144705 - 09/15/18 10:12 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Not this boy!

You can hear all my failures at www.thefullertons.net.

#1144730 - 09/16/18 05:56 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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One in Gospel.

#1144734 - 09/16/18 07:35 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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This is a site where almost everyone here is enjoying a pass time. The people who write charting songs on major charts don't work them up on internet sites. At least, that is this amateur's understanding. I will gladly be corrected if that is not true.

From what I can tell, there are some people here who place their songs on television shows etc. And there is someone who goes by MAB who has been "in the show" and he posts advice here. There is also a very talented guy named Michael who offers production services to site frequenters at reasonable prices.

Your road to superstardom is likely somewhere else, if that is the basis for the question.

#1144740 - 09/16/18 11:10 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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PS -

Wouldn't know where to begin marketing my music. Would love to sell a song. Bought a book once, but it wasn't really written for me.

So I just post 'em on that Fullertons website and sing some of 'em in bands I'm in. I also have a part-time musician friend who sings a few of them at his gigs. Flattering!

#1144750 - 09/17/18 12:52 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Is this a serious question?

#1144765 - 09/17/18 10:04 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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In this country or across the globe?

I have several number 1's in Siberia.

#1144822 - 09/20/18 08:24 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Hello,

I'm Marc-Alan Barnette, or "MAB" and I have lived in Nashville for 30 years, the past 20 of those teaching the process of songwriting, the art of live performance and networking, not just in Nashville but mostly anywhere. Many things we do here can be transferred to other areas. While I have not written any "number one songs" I have had five cuts on major labels, a few charting singles, and several small and independent label cuts. And one of the artist I mentored at the start of his career has had three number ones. His name is FRANKIE BALLARD, on Warner Brothers Records and has a web site so you can check out what he has done. Just found out yesterday one song I wrote with an artist was just nominated for "best Western CD of the year" in a Texas chart. I've also had cuts that charted on jazz and blues charts, but with all the charts out there, not much of it means too much. Nice feather in the cap, but you appreciate being thought of well.

I try to give advice as I see it, and pass on things I've learned. If you ask some specific questions, I can try and give you


It is always built around four things:

#1. CREATION OF THE SONG.
Writing, and being involved with songs that stand out, grab and keep attention any time they are heard, and make people want to hear them again, put down the cell phone, purchase them with their time and money and pass them on to friends and relationships of their's. With literally billions of songs a month floating around out there on the Internet and other places and millions of artists, that is much harder than it sounds. But doable.

#2. PRESENTATION OF THE SONG.
Any time songs are performed,live, recorded in a studio or on a home recording that sounds quality and well done, a video, ends up on a web site, etc. is all part of the presentation. Since most of what we do is carried on without us being there, it is important to make sure we are always well represented.

#3. NETWORKING.
This is making friends and bringing them to your "brand." This could be face to face, one person at a time, or online. various web sites, anywhere you can share what you do with others. You are doing part of it by attending this site. There are many here with different experiences, some might be applicable to you, some might not ,but if you ask some questions and find out about others, generally they will get to know you.

#4. BUSINESS.
This can be the tricky one. It can mean, of course, money, but that is not always the case. Doing small things that advance your career, that at the time might not be quite clear, say a meeting that introduces you to someone else who might introduce you to SOMEONE ELSE who might help you in your overall career journey are all part of BUSINESS. The nuts and bolts, ARTISTS, PUBLISHERS, RECORD LABELS, PRODUCERS, organizations like ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, SOCAN (Canada) and other people involved in the marketing of songs, are part of the business. Like many things in life, you will do dozens and sometimes hundreds of things to have something that pays off financially. And often, even in the "big leagues" what we think of "paying off" might not be exactly the end we think it will be. Much of music, too much, these days are in the era of "free music"where people expect and get most of their music for free.
We try to address that as best we can, THE MUSIC MODERNIZATION ACT, going through Congress currently, is one of those efforts, that has been going on for a long time, but much, unfortunately is already "damage done." When people can get something for free for many many years, even decades, it is very difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. But we try all we can.

All you can do, is work on what you can. Most, the first three I have outlined, are things you can do.
You can work on your song craft. You can make sure your songs always represent you well, and you can constantly meet new people, go where writers and artists congregate and find elements of the music circles where you are and in other areas. The last, business, is often out of our hands. We just have to do the best we can on the first three and hope the last one catches up with us.

If you will continually work on yourself, be dedicated and treat others well, you will always find yourself better off than having not done this. It is a PEOPLE and RELATIONSHIP business, and if you will always focus on treating others the way you want to be treated, you will do just fine. Keep your expectations reasonable and always move forward.

Good luck. I'm generally around and can be reached here or privately.

MAB

#1144826 - 09/20/18 06:47 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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The business part is like running naked through a field of nettles and cacti. My first contract was with a toy company. I have written many poem parable stories for kids and youth. The toy company wanted to make a book of the stories to be sold with toys they produced of the story characters. They also wanted the stories recorded with a background of music befitting the storylines. We went into the recording studio in Minneapolis. The president of the toy company, the vice president, and a couple of their employees (and myself) provided the character voices. I re-wrote the stories in scripted form to be performed like radio shows. The package design geeks put together the combination of products into a an attractive display box. The toys were to be re-created in mass by a company in China. The book was to be done by a local publisher already well known for children's literature and illustrations. A prototype was created of the whole package in time for a convention of toy manufacturers where buyers congregate to make purchase contracts for the things they like. Every one of the buyers that saw the product wanted them as soon as large amounts were available. Everything was falling into place. Then it all fell down.

The original toys designed for the project were sent to China where the originals were all destroyed in the attempt to find a way to reproduce them in large numbers. At that same time the book publisher had sold an anniversary edition (expensive hard copy etc) of a Christmas story that had always sold well at Target stores. Target bought huge numbers of the book. The top drawer edition flopped. Target sued to get their money back and won, bankrupting the publisher. The president of the toy company said, "We are a toy company. This project has failed. You are released from your contract with us with our best wishes for your future."

It took me a few years to find a producer that wanted to record the stories set to music, and we produced four CDs over 6 years. My contract for royalties was typical of the times, predicated on retail CD sales. Few people do that anymore. The material had radio play in the US and Canada, and was placed on internet radio stations and many other sites where downloads were the method of sale. Now my stories are available on 200+ sites internationally, but money? Someone must be making some money off the stories somewhere, but only a fraction of a cent per download or internet radio play for the creators.

I love it that the stories are enjoyed around the world. As a father of 8 children and a Grandfather of four (so far) I take pleasure in having made a contribution by teaching kids and youth wisdom and humor by proxy. That my friends, is priceless!

#1144835 - 09/21/18 12:45 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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I've had several number one hits! Unfortunately, they were on Soundclick.

There are plenty of JPF members who have had a true number one hit, but they don't bother with the forums. I do know a forum poster who cowrote a number one on the country charts in the 90s, and he still sees royalty checks each quarter, but no longer enough for a mortgage payment.

The business has changed radically many times in the last 20 years. In 2018, it's time to stop imagining an artist wants anything to do with an unknown writer. They do not.

#1144836 - 09/21/18 01:23 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Everyone wants to be number 1. I’m happy to be number 2 or 3, or 4. Much less stressful. All kidding aside... writing music is a pleasure. Enjoy it. If big success is meant to be, it will be, though highly unlikely. Focus on writing great music and not egotistic ambitions. I remember a line from “All in the Family”. A cheating relative of Archie's said that "having sex with your wife, is like having a box of Crackerjacks without the prize in it". Archie replied "what's wrong with just the Crackerjacks?". So… what’s wrong with just the songwriting?

John smile

#1144840 - 09/21/18 03:40 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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To echo Mark. It's time to stop thinking that the industry wants anything to do with ALL writers.

And the artist's that do use writers, are not choosing songs for great songwriting, they are choosing them for other reasons.

Write great stuff, see what happens...thats all there is.

#1144843 - 09/21/18 04:23 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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I am going to stop giving my songs names and just go with numbers. That way, I will have a number one song, a number two song....Even number twenty sounds pretty good.

#1144845 - 09/21/18 05:21 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
I am going to stop giving my songs names and just go with numbers. That way, I will have a number one song, a number two song....Even number twenty sounds pretty good.


Opus 1, Opus 2, Opus 3 (chronological order). Good idea,


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#1144849 - 09/21/18 07:55 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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I have smaller goals but they are grand enough to still be a real stretch for me. One of my bucket list items is to turn on the radio in the car one day and hear a song of mine on the radio.

Sometimes you have to enjoy accomplishments relative to your own success. Is this song the best song I have written yet? Or maybe even this song isn't my best but this one hook line is the best I have written. Or maybe not even that.

Last night I posted lyrics for 'box of frogs'. its not my best or even close. The best phrase in it is "crazy as a box of frogs" which is not mine. I heard that phrase somewhere and loved it and it eventually inspired me to write lyrics around it. I actually had hoped it would turn out better. But what I am proud of is that I sat down and wrote it all in one sitting. I didn't give up, and quit to play video games or re-watch GOT episodes. I wrote and rewrote it a dozen times well into the wee hours of the morning. For many here that is just part of songwriting, but it is a rare accomplishment for a natural procrastinator like me.

I guess what I'm saying is that you don't have to be a mega-success in order to be proud of what you write.


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#1144899 - 09/24/18 10:41 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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I got the surprise of my life when I heard one of my pieces on a radio station in the California desert as I was driving through it. It was at 2am. Not exactly top 40 prime time.

#1144902 - 09/24/18 10:46 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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A link to the piece played on a radio station in Joshua Tree CA, NPR in Washington State, and on Dr. Demento's show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJUe-LcVlgA

#1144922 - 09/25/18 06:06 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Cute song.

#1145418 - 10/15/18 01:31 PM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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I co-wrote a song that was 1/1024th of a hit... wink

#1145475 - 10/17/18 07:18 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Conventional Wisdom clearly indicates Writers who have created songs that actually "charted" on a meaningful source... would not be "slumming" with us here at JPF. All of us aspire to achieve that ultimate success... speaking strictly for myself, but it is an idea that should be suppressed. Hope springs eternal but don't go out and ask a bank for a loan to finance your idea of reaching that objective.

Please yourself and when people begin asking you for an MP3 file of your song or a CD... know there is a glimmer of possibility.

Never give up. All it takes... is ONE!

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#1145486 - 10/17/18 09:39 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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This statement reminds me of the baseball players who always try to hit home runs whenever they are up to the plate. Chances are they will also strike out more than those who just try to meet the ball any way they can.

#1145490 - 10/17/18 10:01 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Beechnut, dont remind me. That is the Yankees MO. Yeah they mash during regular season, breaking home run records, but when it comes to october, and facing elite pitching, the home run ball goes away. They frustrated the frickon hell out of me. Lead off man on first, they cant even move him over one base

Actually the odds of getting a hit at any time, homerun or any, are pretty slim. 3-10 is .300 and considered great. It means you fail 70% of the time and can be an allstar.

If you stink, you fail 80%. if you are decent you fail 75% of the time.

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#1145525 - 10/19/18 02:51 AM Re: How many of you wrote number 1 songs [Re: Spanky9]  
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,567
Indianapolis, IN USA
Actually we've had quite a few #1 writers who have "slummed" around here for decades. Alan O'day. Harriet Schock, Chris Young, Dean Pitchford and others spent tremendous time here under their own names and we've had dozens of hit writers across all genres who have been (or still are) members of JPF and who dipped their toes in here on and off. Since a lot of this board has been about learning and developing your career, the most successful artists and writers didn't have as much reason to be here unless like Chris Young, they were being mentored or like the others above, they were mentoring people. Most of the others popped in to say hello, or to ask a question about a new technology or online site or to try and connect with someone professionally as we also had a tremendous number of industry professionals in an out over the years. Sometimes they were just hunting me down (remember this board has been here longer than some people had email or certainly their own websites and long before all the social media giants of today existed). Before all that, we WERE the largest social media site for the music industry.

In current time most business people moved on to other forms of mass social media which is understandable, but we still have some old timers here happy to help people with questions or to act as a social support for new writers and artists or simply for hobbyists who enjoy making music. All are still welcome. And of course we've had a lot of very famous people posting here right under peoples noses who just like being around real people without all the adulation or hassle their fame creates if they outed themselves. Someday I will write a book and share some of that with permission of those involved. One particularly famous people still makes appearances here and I still laugh when people argue with them like they are clueless nobodies and they get a kick out of it too to an extent until people get nasty then they move on for a while. So try to be polite and professional and if you disagree, do so with facts and not personal attacks and hate. We get enough of that everywhere else on line.

Brian


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