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#1144577 - 09/10/18 07:13 PM Stressed Over The Business  
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Hi everyone. I need some advice. I absolutely HATE the business of songwriting. I don't like to do things half assed and trying to learn this business on my own, I feel is totally half assed and taking away the thing I love to do the most, which is write music. I need a publisher, but don't have one. I did sign with Songtrust, but am really not sure what it is they do and can't seem to get any answers from them. So here's my dilemma: I currently have 1 artist in Canada, 1 in Australia, 2 in England and 1 in the US who want to cut my songs. They are asking me what type of license they need and where do they get them. I am with BMI and I do know they have reciprocal agreements with foreign Pros....but what does that mean? Does BMI handle the licenses? Seriously, I've tried getting answers from all of them. I'm totally stressed. And yes, I can hear some of you laughing, who I know would love to have this problem. But all kidding aside, I need help. Please.


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#1144578 - 09/10/18 08:38 PM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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Hi Donna:

The "Business End" of Songwriting is a mess... and it does take away from what most songwriter's really want to do... write songs. The "playing field" of music is not level now and probably never has been... but, without backing and contacts who can provide solid advice and support... you are probably facing a money losing situation no matter what course of action you decide to take. My caveats: 1. Do you know the relative "star power" of any of these artists? What have they done, what hits have they sung? Who is the label involved... or is there one? If the answer is nearer the zero on a scale of one to ten on each question, it is a total crap shoot... depending a great deal on the genre and it's popularity these days. Do you have a personal relationship with any of them? Do you care for their singing style?

A crap shoot can be a positive if they are good enough. Just don't enter the "fray" expecting very much. I assume you have researched each of these singers. If not, do so ASAP. MAB is probably your best "free" source for seeking advice... if he happens to be answering his PM's at present.

As we are writing, the music world is reinventing itself from the monetary side of things under the guise of helping songwriters and artists through "streaming." The payouts are miniscule and the accounting is a nightmare.

Best wishes for success... all of us are "in your corner." ----Dave

#1144579 - 09/10/18 09:03 PM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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Donna,
you will need to sign with a Publisher or become your own Publisher. Publisher's Assign Mechanical Licenses and Register a song with your PRO. The Pro's, BMI, etc. only collect Pro Royalties.
Since you are in NY I have found a Publisher you may want to contact and see if they will represent you.
The Publisher is:
MIDI Track Publishing
P.O Box 1545
Smithtown, NY. 11787

Web Site is: www.allrsMusic.com/
E-Mail info@allrsMusic.com/
Contacts: Renee Silver-Bushey, F. John Silvestri
Founder Leslie Migliorelli, Director of Operations

Good luck.


Ray E. Strode
#1144589 - 09/11/18 06:12 AM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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You can become your own publisher and draw up a mechanical license form to have them sign and pay you the fee for however many CDs they plan on producing. You countersign the contract after you receive payment. That is all they will need to legally record your song. If they sell out the first pressing and want to cut more, they will then have to pay for more by obtaining another contract from you to do so.

#1144590 - 09/11/18 06:41 AM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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Hi again, Donna:

Ray and Everett have provided you with useful information. Two things to consider: 1. It will cost you whatever BMI currently charges to become a Publisher. (Same now with ASCAP)
2. If you sign-on with an existing Publisher... they will automatically take half the income produced from a song's on-line or CD sales. If those proceeds don't match your expenses, the accounting is simple. You may be digging yourself a "money-pit" too deep to climb.

Then there is always the possibility that "the song" becomes a huge hit, makes you wealthy, very much in-demand and famous. Pretty long odds but "hope" is a marvelous thing.

#1144608 - 09/12/18 11:08 AM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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You don't need to Register with a Pro as a Publisher unless you are going to sign outside songs from other writers. You can work up all your own forms. It will probably take a bit of detective work. I have my own forms to use if and when needed. It took me awhile to do it all but I am prepared in case anybody wants to record some of my songs. Good luck.


Ray E. Strode
#1144610 - 09/12/18 11:58 AM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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Just send them a bill for the number of copies they want to produce at the statutory rate which is about 9 cents per copy. They send you a check. Done. Until they want to press more.


Colin

I try to critique as if you mean business.....

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#1144643 - 09/13/18 10:27 PM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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Hey Donna,

Are they first releases ? If so, just give permission, and upon release, register the song with artist at BMI. You are your own publisher, and will receive the publisher's royalties as well as the songwriter's.

Same song, with 2 different artists ? That's Ok, just register the 2 different songs as "versions" and each will receive their own number. ( ISN ) Again, you receive the airplay royalties.

Royalties for downloads and physical copies ? When being distributed, the song will have it's own ISN which is unique with your "ownership" . The distributor should forward you those royalties having your info from it's ISN. All distribution sites require an ISN and hence, who owns the copyright.

IMNAL, but I wouldn't worry too much. Once a song has been released, anyone can re-record it, as long as they give relevant attribution.

Q? - do you really want to give away half your royalties to a "publisher" when you have already done the publisher's job by finding placement ?

cheers, niteshift


#1144709 - 09/15/18 12:08 PM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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Thank you everyone for your input. I never entered this venture with the idea of making money. I'm realistic enough to know that the chances of that are minimal. A very wise man told me once (you can guess who that was) to find a young artist starting out, like Taylor Swift, and become their "Liz Rose"...which is exactly what I've been doing. I've been criticized here for doing that, but there is no greater pleasure to me than to hear an up and coming artist sing one of my songs. As for the licenses: I did finally hear back from Songtrust. Basicly they said to send any artist who want a mechanical license to them, and they will take care of it. They take 15%, but that is worth it to me not to have to stress over it. That doesn't however take care of any foreign licenses but BMI informed me that they have a reciprocal agreement with all the foreign PROS. What exactly that means, I really don't know.


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#1144711 - 09/15/18 01:08 PM Re: Stressed Over The Business [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
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"Reciprocal agreement with all the foreign PROs"

Hi Donna,

All that means is BMI has an agreement with foreign countries to collect public performance royalties. BMI collects for them, in return they collect for us. ASCAP has the same agreement with 90 foreign countries. Not sure how many countries are in BMI’s agreement (probably the same). These royalties will show up on your International quarterly statements. I see significant royalties from Spain, Austria, Romania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Columbia, Japan, Denmark, Mexico, Malaysia, United Kingdom, Sweden, Bosnia, South Africa, Poland, Norway, Peru, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, Switzerland, Finland, Israel, Netherlands, Estonia, Slovakia, Turkey, Singapore, Viet Nam, Philippines, and Hong Kong. The PRO’s International accounting system works quite well.

Best, John smile


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