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by John Lawrence Schick. 12/14/19 03:21 PM
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by Ricki E. Bellos. 12/12/19 03:34 PM
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#1141898 - 06/15/18 01:03 PM
Re: top ten songwriters of the last fifty years.
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Beechnut, there are alot of great metal writers, most of us here just dont care or listen to it
I remember kids in high school who were into Slayer and MegaDeath, Ozzie, Metallica, they could recite every word. They have their own style but they are very good at what they do.
How bout Jim Croce or Cat Stevens.
Bob Seeger, Bryan Adams, Sting, Lou Reed, David Bowie... i mean i could probably make a top 100 list easily. and then a top 1000
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#1141928 - 06/16/18 07:49 AM
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#1141977 - 06/16/18 09:58 PM
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Mentioning the ladies, we have to consider Laura Nyro. . . . And I did! And how can anyone include Nyro without including Nina Simone?
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#1141983 - 06/16/18 10:04 PM
Re: top ten songwriters of the last fifty years.
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[i][/i] . . . Can you compare Ray Davies with . . . . No. You can't compare him with anyone. He's incomparable. If there had ever been any doubt, Muswell Hillbillies placed him in squarely the pantheon of greats. Thanks for the reminder. I'm adding him to my inventory of reasons why the question can't be answered!
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#1142055 - 06/18/18 06:08 PM
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#1142984 - 07/19/18 11:00 AM
Re: top ten songwriters of the last fifty years.
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Aw, Humm Beech, Don't have two but one may have been Cindy Walker.
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#1143597 - 08/07/18 03:32 AM
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Cant see Slim Whitman being an influence to The Beatles he was never a writer
Buddy Holly-- Bob Dylan --Orbison -Dell -Shannon- Chuck Berry- Everly Brothers Definitely
But none of them were out and out Country Acts, more Country Rock
Possibly the attitude and writing of Hank Williams but he never toured the U K
They were also influenced by Tamla Mo Town as were many of us
Home Grown Acts to the U K like Lonnie Donegan were certainly an influence
to John and Paul
As far as Best Song Writers Jim Web Kris Kristofferson - Roger Miller- Bob Dylan
Roy Orbison - Leonard Cohen - Bacharach and David - Lennon and McCartney
George Harrison - Tom Petty ----- Ladies would be Mary Chapin Carpenter- Dianne Warren
Plus Joni Mitchel
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One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.
In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
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#1143601 - 08/07/18 07:47 AM
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Humm, A lot of Country Artists toured the United Kingdom and country music was a big influence over there. Slim Whitman was a big influence, not because he was a writer, but a performer. For many years Slim Whitman had the song that was the number song that remained at the top of the Charts the longest in England, ROSE MARIE. Jim Reeves was also a big favorite.
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#1144078 - 08/22/18 12:20 AM
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I liked some you guys didn't mention (or mention enough): -Hornsby/Hornsby who wrote songs with social consciousness in an era that lacked many competitors and piano playing/arranging that gets aped by countless players ever since -Tyler and his various bandmates who inspired generations of US Rock bands that came after and still do -Reznor who helped create and perfect and then singlehandedly mainstreamed an entire genre that perists today among kids 30+ years later -and though I don't expect anyone to click the link as we have nary a rap fan in this crowd currently, this page sums up their greatest and most influential writers and anyone who thinks Rap writers and music will not have a permanent effect on all popular music going forward, they are living with blinders on. It's never going away and it's influence has crossed over into all genres. The link: https://www.vibe.com/2017/03/10-rappers-jay-z-songwriters-hall-of-fame-list/ . Though I am not a fan of his, Jay Z is already in the Songwriters Hall of Fame. -Carol King who along with Laura Nyro may be the two most influential female writers in history. PS: I do love me some Mary Chapin Carpenter (my fave of hers is the brilliant "Last word..." for it's simple, biting and humorous take on "THOSE" relationships we've all had one time or another. She was the queen of a wink and a nod to real life love, loss and living.
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#1144096 - 08/23/18 06:39 AM
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What I meant was, his audience is women and gay men. I'd call that a niche, but he did get mega radio play.
its very niche anyway, it's highly pop, based in hooks and selling records, nothing wrong with that, but to me greatness in songwriting goes a bit beyond that. To each his own.
how many straight men would you expect to find at a George Michael concert? I think I'd find a lot more at an Elton John concert cause he has wider appeal and reaches a more rounded audience
Fd...I don't understand. I am not an advocate for George Michael, but when I saw the documentary after his death, I was stunned at how many big (and good) songs he had written for himself and others. Gotta give credit where it's due. "Careless Whisper" is still one of my favorite songs. At the peak of his career, Wham and then Michael were arguably the biggest stars in music. It's inarguable that he was filling giant arenas all over the world. If he's to be considered a niche artist, then I suppose Taylor Swift is a niche artist whose appeal is limited to now adult, teen girls.
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#1144103 - 08/23/18 09:27 AM
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The truth is, all music is niche music. not all music appeals to all people, and wham and George Michael clearly targeted their subsection of the population. It's smart, and makes sense. Good business.
he/they were on the radio, thats how songs become famous and hits. It doesn't mean that somebody listening to careless whisper in their office as they do some paperwork, is in a rush to go out and see them
I know what you mean, he/they had immense success, but they still targeted certain groups of people.
Somebidy like Billy Joel on the other hand didn't target anybody, he appealed old/young, rich, poor, straight, gay, women, men.
That's the difference for me.
I gave him his due, he was very good, legendary at what he did
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#1144107 - 08/23/18 11:16 AM
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The truth is, all music is niche music. In some abstract sense, that's true I suppose. But at a level of reality, it's incorrect to say that artists with massive appeal such as Michael, Swift, Elton John, the Beatles, Rolling Stones produce "niche" music. Chamber music is niche music. Much of jazz is niche. Someone who can fill Wembley stadium is not niche. Fd...it seems that you are trying to stretch a point that flies in the face of the obvious.
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#1144128 - 08/23/18 09:09 PM
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It's not abstract at all..
And who put George Michael in with Elton, Beatles, Rolling Stones?
You did. I said he did not have that kind of massive appeal, and he doesn't
If I'm stretchinf a point, it's because you are trying to prove George Michael is one of the top songwriters of the past 50 years.
He may belong in top performers list
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#1144140 - 08/24/18 06:53 AM
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It's not abstract at all..
And who put George Michael in with Elton, Beatles, Rolling Stones?
You did. I said he did not have that kind of massive appeal, and he doesn't
If I'm stretchinf a point, it's because you are trying to prove George Michael is one of the top songwriters of the past 50 years.
He may belong in top performers list That's that then. Footnote: Elton John said that Michael was the most talented person alive back in his heyday.
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#1144146 - 08/24/18 09:58 AM
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He was extremely talented, you didn't see me dispute that.
Alive though? I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson and Prince were alive when he made that comment. Might be a bit of a homer pick being they were both English, friends, and had same interests.
I once saw somebody on one of these forums tell somebody that their song was the best song they had ever heard.... To which i say...
Tee hee Fd... This debate/discussion is not making sense to me or arriving anywhere enlightening. How 'bout...you win.
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