Who's Online Now
12 members (Fdemetrio, Guy E. Trepanier, JAPOV, bennash, couchgrouch, Bill Draper, Everett Adams, 3 invisible), 1,247 guests, and 266 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
What's Going On
Save Yer Ass
by Fdemetrio - 04/18/24 07:06 PM
Problem I foresee with ai
by John Lawrence Schick - 04/18/24 05:42 PM
The Wolves Of Fading
by JAPOV - 04/18/24 04:37 PM
Holding On For Tomorrow
by Bill Draper - 04/18/24 01:58 PM
YELLIN AT CLOUDS
by Bill Draper - 04/18/24 01:25 PM
Boss Tribute
by Fdemetrio - 04/18/24 02:27 AM
Noah Wotherspoon, Cappy's Wine, Loveland
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/17/24 10:18 PM
What my heart denied
by Bill Draper - 04/17/24 06:11 PM
Donovan Tolle music
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/17/24 02:30 PM
Above the Tortoise
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/17/24 12:46 PM
Wasting My Time
by Fdemetrio - 04/17/24 12:20 PM
More fun and aggravation
by Fdemetrio - 04/16/24 02:14 PM
New Music Creation Tool Changes Everything
by Fdemetrio - 04/16/24 01:08 PM
Having too much fun
by Sunset Poet - 04/16/24 09:28 AM
Mutlu
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/15/24 07:08 PM
Werhun Band
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/15/24 12:50 PM
One Kiss At A Time (Carroll Kiphen's lyric)
by ckiphen - 04/15/24 08:45 AM
Boss Bioptic Coming
by Fdemetrio - 04/14/24 12:00 AM
I made you money on spotify
by Fdemetrio - 04/13/24 02:01 PM
Inspirational Videos Post Them Here
by Sunset Poet - 04/13/24 10:22 AM
Argyle Theatre at Babalon Village,
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/13/24 05:57 AM
Hulkster a Christian
by Fdemetrio - 04/13/24 12:29 AM
Name That Tune Challenge
by John Lawrence Schick - 04/12/24 03:49 PM
Does Billy Joel belong in top 10?
by Fdemetrio - 04/12/24 11:21 AM
Fox News Reports Stunning Archeological Discovery.
by Fdemetrio - 04/12/24 11:19 AM
WORLD5 - Review Upcoming Album "3" by ViriAOR
by World5 Music - 04/12/24 11:19 AM
Bossa Nova Beatniks
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/09/24 01:30 PM
2 Miles Deep
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/08/24 11:09 PM
Fire Tiger
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/07/24 12:01 PM
Highly effective country boy
by bennash - 04/06/24 01:24 PM
Top Posters
Calvin 19,857
Travis david 12,264
Kevin Emmrich 10,941
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,649
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 9,003
glynda 8,683
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
couchgrouch 8,164
Colin Ward 7,911
Corey 7,357
Vicarn 6,916
Mark Kaufman 6,589
ben willis 6,114
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,608
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Fdemetrio 5,111
Neil Cotton 4,909
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,670
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,389
Roy Cooper 4,271
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,195
Cindy Miller 4,178
TamsNumber4 4,171
Sunset Poet 4,166
MFB III 4,143
nightengale 4,096
E Swartz 3,985
JAPOV 3,984
beechnut79 3,878
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,845
Dan Sullivan 3,710
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
Nigel Quin 2,891
PopTodd 2,890
Harriet Ames 2,870
MidniteBob 2,761
Nelson 2,616
Tom Tracy 2,558
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,246
Wendy D 2,235
Judy Hollier 2,232
Erica Ellis 2,202
maccharles 2,134
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,041
DukeWill 2,002
floyd jane 1,985
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,652
Noel Downs 1,633
Rick Heenan 1,608
Cal 1,574
GocartMoz 1,559
Jack Swain 1,554
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,481
Tom Franz 1,473
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Rick Norton 1,429
Kenneth Cade 1,429
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,409
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
Deej56 1,385
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,294
lane1777 1,280
Gerry 1,280
DakLander 1,265
IronKnee 1,262
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,235
VNORTH2 1,220
Glen King 1,214
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
summeoyo 1,174
Diane Ewing 1,162
ckiphen 1,124
joro 1,082
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
9ne 1,035
David Gill 1,034
Tony A 1,016
argo 986
peaden 984
90 dB 964
Wolvman 960
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 829
ant 798
Juan 797
TKO 784
Dayson 781
frahmes 781
bennash 772
teletwang 762
Andy K 750
Andy Kemp 749
tbryson 737
Jackie444 731
Irwin 720
3daveyO3 704
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Pat Hardy 692
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Moosesong 668
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
R&M 614
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 590
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 513
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
Rob L 439
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Alek 386
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Ann_F 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
ddreuter 371
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
Rob B. 369
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
papaG 353
Z - man 350
JamesDF5 348
John K 348
Jaden 344
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 294
markus-ky 293
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
Char 286
ktunes 285
Top Likes Received
JAPOV 86
VNORTH2 45
bennash 38
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
#1143452 08/01/18 07:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Apologies for the hiss on this. I may need a new A/D interface. So this is definitely a scratch recording.

I'll be your friend
© 2018 Owen Hovenden

Link to music

The lord sets a burden on our shoulders
Sometimes it feels like more than we can bear
As the night closes in, and it gets colder
I'll be there

Brother won't you share your load with me
We'll carry it together till the end
And if I can't take the weight from your shoulders
I'll be your friend

Chorus:
I'll be your friend when the demons are calling
When the black dog is barking at your door
I'll be your friend when those voices say
You just can't take it anymore
I'll be your friend

Some friends have faltered by the wayside
Left you to struggle on your own
Just remember when your strength is at its ebb
You're not alone

I can surely follow in your footsteps
If I can't walk a mile in your shoes
Take my hand, help me understand
Your blues

CHORUS

Bridge:
Head hanging low like a man condemned
Hoping and a-praying for this pain to end
I'll be with you, broken or bent till the end


CHORUS

Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 102
M
Serious Contributor
Offline
Serious Contributor
M
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 102
Hi Owen

I really enjoyed that. The message is strong and heartfelt. The short last line of each verse works well. As I've commented before, your voice peaks my interest - this time I was reminded of Bryan Ferry.

Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,144
Likes: 26
Top 200 Poster
Offline
Top 200 Poster
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,144
Likes: 26
That's a very beautiful song. Moving lyrics and a melody to match.

A couple of observations...

In the line "When the black dog is barking at your door," you sing the last two words in a sort of jaunty clipped way. I think it would be better, more in keeping with the mood, if you stretched those words out. You might also think about going up instead of down there, just to add variety. I'm not sure about that - just a thought.

This is a lovely verse...
I can surely follow in your footsteps
If I can't walk a mile in your shoes
Take my hand, help me understand
Your blues

However, the image I get from "follow in your footsteps" is one where the person has already passed that way, is no longer present, and you are following some way behind. That's not in keeping with taking his/her hand. I think you want to be falling into step beside the person and walking beside him/her, matching his/her footsteps in real time, a comforting presence. Am I correct?

Unfortunately, despite some intensive brain wracking, I can't really come up with any brilliant suggestions. Best I can do is...

I can surely match your footsteps
or
I can accompany your footsteps

I wish I could do better. It's such a great image.

I really love this song.

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Thanks Mike! Glad you enjoyed it. Honestly, I'm just happy if I can sing mostly in tune. smile

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Gavin, I see what you mean about the "barking at your door" line. That could work, going up and singing it out. I'll give it a try.

We have a different visual image about following in your footsteps. I see it more as immediately behind him, and therefore not in conflict - and, as you pointed out, it's hard to think of a viable alternative that keeps the general image. I'll see if others find that jarring, or whether it's more of a personal interpretation.

Appreciate the helpful advice! smile

Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,385
Likes: 1
D
Top 200 Poster
Offline
Top 200 Poster
D
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,385
Likes: 1
Owen,

First off, the opening is very inviting; totally sets the mood and pulls the listener in. The vocal resonates—kinda fits the song nicely. And I really like the harmonies going on in the chorus. The one aspect I’d suggest revisiting is the percussion arrangement. Not sure if it’s the drums or somewhat attributed to the hiss you mention, but the high-hat on the drum kit doesn’t quite work for me—a bit distracting from the melody and at times a bit too much for me—so maybe something to revisit (use or lose).

But if this is a scratch recording . . . well, it’s better than what I could pull together most times—which is to say, very well done--you've got a sweet tune here!

BTW, I agree the lines “I can surely follow in your footsteps / if I can’t walk a mile in you shoes” are stunning. Great, great line. I get what Gavin is saying, but not sure I’d mess with it much. The sentiment comes through, and that’s really what matters (and, like Gavin, I’m at a loss for how you’d modify it).

Cool tune, Owen! Will wait to hear the next iteration!

All the best, buddy!

Deej

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Thanks for the detailed feedback Deej! Might be the crashes in the drumkit that are overpowering. I can certainly turn those down. That's all midi driven samples, so no hiss there.

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 19,857
Likes: 1
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 19,857
Likes: 1
Hello Owen,


A beautiful tune.
I really enjoyed this line.......

When the black dog is barking at your door


Calvin


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/calvinstewart

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Thanks Calvin! smile

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 6,916
Likes: 9
Top 40 Poster
Offline
Top 40 Poster
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 6,916
Likes: 9
Hi RainyDayMan

Nice write. The snare hit seems a little harsh and monotonous for such a soft song.
Maybe better tone it down a tad or replace with a closed hi hat for the verses.

Vic


It's never too late? Yes it is, so do it now.

If, given time, a monkey can write the complete works of Shakespeare maybe there's hope for me.

http://store.cdbaby.com/cd/vicarnold2

http://www.soundclick.com/vicarnold

http://soundcloud.com/vic-arnold

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Thanks for the feedback Vic. Sounds like the drums in general need some taming smile

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,985
F
Top 200 Poster
Offline
Top 200 Poster
F
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,985
A nice sentiment, Owen. Enjoyed the listen.

(I'd lose the cymbal crashes altogether. This type song does not need them).

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,559
Top 200 Poster
Offline
Top 200 Poster
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,559
I really enjoyed the tune. Very smooth mellow write. I agree the crashes and drums seemed out of place in parts, somewhat distracting from a real nice easy listen. Very enjoyable. I especially liked the chorus. From an arrangement standpoint, I thought the bridge may have come a bit too late.

Dave

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 6,895
Top 40 Poster
Offline
Top 40 Poster
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 6,895
I may not have noticed the line about following in your footsteps had it not been pointed out but since it was... smile...That idiom means to do the same thing as someone else and I don't think that's what you're trying to say, is it? How about something like: I can surely take a stand beside you...? Just a thought.

Overall, a great sentiment, Owen.

Ricki

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 12,264
Likes: 4
T
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
T
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 12,264
Likes: 4
Great lyric Owen quite exceptional.
Best of luck with an excellent song
Travis


We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
@Floyd. Thanks, yes the consensus does seem to be to rework the drums and tone them down. I'll be working on that.

@Gocart Moz Interesting point re the bridge. I think it has to come after a chorus to flow smoothly, but there is an option to put it after the first chorus. I'll think about. Thanks for the feedback!

@Ricki You are correct about the meaning of the idiom, but I like the way it fits here, so I'm going to leave it as is. Sometimes wrong is right. I always appreciate your time and input though!

@Travis Thank you! I'll take all the luck I can get smile

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,521
Top 200 Poster
Offline
Top 200 Poster
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,521
Great write!

We thoroughly enjoyed listening.

J&B

PS FWIW, I think this song could use just sticks and no snare. It's a fine melody and it would seem the more open and airy the mix the better.


Check out our new album Janice Merritt "Am I Blue Enough?"
on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, Amazon and others.
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 187
Thanks Janice and Bud! I'll try that out smile


Link Copied to Clipboard
Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Newest Members
chriscastle, yasir252, cathennashira, Samwise, HappySousa
21,470 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums117
Topics125,754
Posts1,161,297
Members21,470
Most Online37,523
Jan 25th, 2020
Just Plain Quotes
"When will we all, as artists, creators and facilitators learn that the so-called experts in our lives are nothing more than someone who has stepped forward and called themselves an expert?" –Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
bobmahoney (37), Severe (46)
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5