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#1141869 - 06/15/18 12:22 AM Daltrey says Rock is Dead.....  
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Only Rap matters today...

I remember being 14, asking Dad for a guitar basicly so I could try to play The Who. They were already passé when I discovered them, but before for the Boss, there was the who, I drew alot of who emblems on my school book covers. And I grew up in the The 80's, nobody was listening to the who back then.

Anyway, I sure hope Roger is wrong...

http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/roger-daltrey-thinks-rock-music-is-dead.html

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#1141871 - 06/15/18 07:35 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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#1141872 - 06/15/18 09:09 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Well,
Good music will always find a place. So I would not say any type of music is dead. I do think people get bored with too much of the same thing and bow out for a time. Now who thought those suitcase like record players would show up again. They are in some Music Catalogs for about 99 dollars. 3 speed, 78, 45, and 33 and 1/3rd. And Vinyl records? Stay tuned.


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#1141875 - 06/15/18 09:40 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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The Who was a one of a kind with Townsend and Daltry.
That kind of Rock doesn't get much FM or Video exposure.
I never thought Rap and or Hip Hop would endure but I was wrong. BUT I believe it has endured is because of the lyrical content earmarked for a particular audience. I think that is good as it's a kind of Protest Song....
SO I'm almost ready to kick the bucket and my wife is no sick so I won't have to deal with any of this much longer and that is GOOD....I'm tired and I've had it.

#1141890 - 06/15/18 11:52 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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He's a little late, mainstream rock died in the 90's.

#1141895 - 06/15/18 12:47 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I know Vic has a Daltrey Story for us... lol

I know rock has been called dead before, even by the song long live rock by the who. its not that its dead, it just maxed itself out

But I think what he's saying is that there is nowhere for rock to go. The best has been done already. Beatles, Stones, Who, Kinks

The best of what there is today is just a throwback. Garage Rock is still around, it's just that you're not going to get any better than the blueprint

At least the kids have a Dave Grohl or a Jack White, or The Killers, and some great underground rock bands. But as Daltry said it cant evolve.

I think Eddie Van Halen really changed rock in the 80's with his guitar playing, we need something like that, to spark interest again

Barry, I would sit for literally hours upon hours with headphones...u say somethin...? lol. But it was the most amazing thing for me to do

And While Pete is mostly credited for being a writer, the guy can flat out make his instrument talk

If you listen to their stuff with headphones, you will hear just how amazing he is on the guitar. Maybe not the pure musician as a Jimmy Page, Hendrix, or Jeff Beck, although better than Keith Richards. His creativty on guitar is mind boggling.

Daltrey is saying that rappers are the only ones, at least trying to make a statement. I dont like rap but I agree

#1141912 - 06/15/18 09:12 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Rock's been dead for over twenty years. And that's not because it's not making a "statement", but because the songs are barely above mediocre. (Statements are completely irrelevant in art. What matters most is the creative expression of the artist, band etc.) There's just no one out there with the creative gunpowder to put together a classic album. The last one I'm aware of is What's the Story Morning Glory. I do love She and Him but I don't really consider them to be rock. Their tunes have really strong melodies, musicianship and vocals. a modern rarity. Rock is dead and rap is rubbish. Nashville has all the ingredients to make a great album except one...there are so many publishers, songwriters, producers and executives involved in a mainstream country cd that edge and innovation is dead before the first line is penned. and I don't mean singing about whores n drankin. I mean taking country somewhere else. it's never gonna happen. rock is dead.

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#1141913 - 06/15/18 10:03 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I can tell you in my labor jobs at cleaning accounts, rock music is not dead, but is no longer the prevailing influence. Fortunately my supervisor keeps rock and metal on during floor cleaning.
I know that the CSI series made me from half liking The Who to loving them.

#1141919 - 06/16/18 12:44 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Couch, it's been considered dead before that, when the singer songwriter got big In early 70's, when disco took over and progressive rock. Punk rock killed all three of those, so to speak, with their statement, and brought rock back.

It was considered dead in the 80s when new wave and metal took over.

And in the 90s with grunge

It always revolves back, the problem is not just the songs, it's that u can't go anywhere else with it, the same thing is going to be done time and time again.

Music has to change, that's what the next generation looks forward to, their own music, rock can't be Mozart, it's a raw art form.

You could argue, or I could, that the better songs of the who and the stones and the beatles went away from rock. Even the kinks, you really got me is rock, but celluloid heroes is not.

The who helped it evolve various times by being innovative, but rock in Its true sense is three chords and an attitude, that how Joan Jett made a living

But Daltrey said this. Not me:

Daltrey lamented that good ol’ fashioned rock-and-roll is, simply, dead and incapable of any more evolution. “The sadness for me is that rock has reached a dead end,” he said. “The only people saying things that matter are the rappers and most pop is meaningless and forgettable.” He also believes that the showmanship of modern musicians no longer makes a formidable impression as it has in the past. “You watch these people,” he said, “and you can’t remember a bloody thing.

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#1141927 - 06/16/18 08:46 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Oh yeah, here we go again. The "old crumdgeon brigade" is out yelling at the kids to get off his lawn! " LOL!

Sure, the Rock of Roger, and of course, even me, is long gone. Replaced by....well I have no idea. This morning I was watching a new group on television, all performing what could only loosely be termed music. Mindless drivel, really mediocre melodies, and in my opinion, imminantely forgettable. And of course, in the audience were hundreds of people, swaying along, singing every word.

So, who the hell am I to tell them what is good or isn't?

Rock left me in the late 80's. My kind of rock. It turned into a negative, angry, bitter world for teenagers displaced by society. Euuuuch!!! So I simply found another format. Country, which at that time was taking on all the characteristics of what I liked about rock.

Now there are changes in that, and I look at different formats. Roots rock, Americana, there are about as many categories now as there are types of music. WE should all find one we like. My upcoming CD, "A LIFE WELL LIVED" is more adult contemporary with a throwback to 60's and 70's Motown and Stax, with a five piece horn section, and songs that embody some of the favorite stuff I've ever recorded.

I believe there is a LOT of music out there and we just have to work harder to find what we like. And of course, each generation is going to be replaced by another generation and we are going to HATE IT. That's the only thing that is constant. CHANGE. And COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT CHANGE.

I told you about those cave drawings they found with a Cave Dad telling his Cave son, how it was "BACK IN HIS DAY!" I think it was in Eygytion Hyrogliphs where Ramses the II was telling RAMSES the III, that "everything now sounds like crap." I believe that is what they said. I don't know what eight cats, six sphinx, three snakes and two inverted pyramids, mean but I think that was close.

As it was said once, "Make your OWN kind of music. Sing your OWN kind of song."

I always liked that one.
MAB

PS: I'm an old crumdgeon too. Probabably not that far from Crouch Grouch.
I don't like much of what is out there. That is why I make my own.

#1141940 - 06/16/18 11:06 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Marc you are absolutely right, none of us are qualified to tell anyone else what's good and what isn't. Only opinions.

My niece turns on the car radio, on comes Bieber or Selena Gomez, or new country which she really likes.

I say to myself...and her, like did my music make any impression on u at all?

"Ahh, all u like is old music" it's different than our music etc

It's just like anything else though, u grow up, and just as your ethics and your personality, and your likes and dislikes begin very early, so does your taste in music, and radio and media basicly tells us what we should like. They do it by making some music way more available than others.

i recall some jazz musician saying that if you don't get kids started early with classical and jazz, they will never like it.

But then again, do we let the media tell our kids what good music isn't? Or do we tell them?

They don't seem to listen to us though.

I play my niece or nephew the Beatles, and they think it sucks

They say I can't understand a word, its noise.....

I guess they would look or seem like oddballs listening to the Beatles, when no one else in school does.

Sometimes musicians go back to the source and realize greatness.

But from a listening perspective, nobody can tell anyone else is good.

The difference between u and couch, is that while we're all curmudgeons, we realize that it's just our opinion, he states his opinions as facts.

A lot of people think Bob Dylan sucks.....

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#1141941 - 06/16/18 11:15 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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The songs are less than mediocre. The rock album as a cohesive whole is dead. It went into convulsions in the 80s
and drew its last breath in the mid 90s. If I'm wrong, cite a host of albums as good as What's the Story Morning Glory, Kiko, Automatic for the People, Living With the Law and Southern Harmony and Musical Companion. You can't because they don't exist.

It's not about a generation gap, it's about weak songs. Geeshey Wiley's Last Kind Words is a great song. Kashmir is a great song. Aw Naw? Not so much.

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If I give u a list, u will simply say that's not as good.

Of course it's generational Couchgrouch

Why is it only people in their 40s and 50s say today's music sucks?

U don't hear 15 year olds saying it.

Now based on opinion, I agree with u, anything else is conjecture.


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Maybe a story to tell but of course, modesty forbids. :-D

Genre's are a pain. I always thought that rock and roll was something young people could learn easily and old people didn't like.

Back in the day I always thought of The Beatles as a pop band because they used more than four chords and appealed to mums and dads as well as little kids.
I never had them in my rock category. Same as most of the other bands that came through in the sixties (Searchers, Hermans Hermits etc.).

Bands like The Stones and The Who had a harder, more rebellious edge. More like rock and roll to me.
It's all very hard to define though.

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#1141948 - 06/16/18 12:07 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I agree Vic, I think the Stones are the archetype of the rock n roll band, not the Beatles, the Beatles were very much pop and many things rolled into one

The Who had a lot of pop stuff early on too.

And it's funny to think about the Beatles being music for kids, but that's what they were, it's just that the kids are now old farts.

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Listen to Joe Bonnamassa a few recordings on Youtube: " Woke up dreaming" - "Black Lung Heartache" and "Driving Towards Day light".....He has so much SOUL and EMOTION in his playing,, one has to perk up and listen--Even if you have a hearing aid like me! He has ROCK, BLUES, and COUNTRY as well as ALTERNATIVE covered!

I grew up with the Original ROCK and ROLL--I was in Germany with ELVIS in 1958 when he was in a tank outfit south of Frankfurt -- I would see him a lot in the PX, surrounded by German Girls--ELVIS, JERRY LEE and others were big then--It took 6 months for the USA hit parade to reach Europe back then--Bob Dylan said "TIMES ARE A CHANGING" and so goes ROCK!!!!!

ROCK ON..........!!!!!!!!!!

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and to think they thought Elvis was nothing more than a dirty dancer!

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"Rock" means different things to different people. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Now then, Delmont. If you are a songwriter pitching to a publisher looking for a rock song, you have to worry a little. What do they mean by a rock song?
Try it out.

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#1142537 - 07/05/18 03:32 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Given that this so called Blog is Published by NEW YORK EDIT, I can see that its a Header

that only lets one read it if you agree to their terms and conditions , something that allows

them to use your e mail to bombard you with products you dont really need

I would just ignore it as it's the latest nasty method of finding out your personal details

Some Hack stirring up the Daily Shite that flies around this world on a daily basis

Personally

I still enjoy The Who and many of those innovative UK bands The Kinks- THE BEATLES

not forgetting the USA who gave us The Eagles , Van Hallen Alice Cooper The Everlys

Eddie Cochran and oh so many more

Every Band past and present has been influenced by Stars from the ¨Past

Johnnie Ray and Billy Eckstine and Hank Williams were the growing up influences for

ELVIS including the many Black Gospel Bands and Choirs of the fifties

ROCK covers a wide range of genres in most of today's music thanks to Les Pauls innovative

Guitar and recording techniques , and the so called Rock Era developed from those early

recordings


Most of today's groups Feature Electric Guitar and Electric Bass

The Blues came from The Down Trodden Blacks, employed by Mainly White Bosses

and Black Man Blues were the Main Influence of nearly every Successful Rock or Country

Musician the likes of Eric Clapton ---Jimmie Hendrix --- Stevie Ray Vaughn---Chet Atkins and

so many more ROCK will never die , it's there in everything you listen to in this New Millennium ?

what a dissmall place this world would be without it I say LONG LIVE ROCK


Comments like Rock Is Dead , usually comes from failed wannabe song writers who cant

even sing; and dont listen to whats being played on T V and Radio Stations, Most whos only

contact with the real world comes from web sites like this, These same opinionated Loons

Cant play a musical instrument , and frequently name drops on his or her latest collaborator,

who trys to put music to a latest lyric , written for the eye and not the ear, both seeking

slaps on the back from equally gullible peers who haven't got a clue as well.



Something I Have always found to be true , told to me by My Late Father

"The first step (after admitting your ignorance on any subject) is to ensure that you understand

exactly what information you are being asked to provide.

Nothing is worse than misunderstanding what it is the other person needs and chasing your tail

down rabbit holes. Make sure what information you are being asked to gather and synthesize

and then find out how it should be presented. This is a simple yet critical first step."












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In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1142541 - 07/05/18 05:50 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: chazma2]  
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Marvellous Talented Drummer Gene Krupa is rolling in his grave

Such a talent thanks for posting CHAZMA 2


One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.

In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1142546 - 07/05/18 10:35 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Hey, I won't put up with insulting Couchgrouch like this.....

Couchgrouch: "Rock's been dead for over twenty years. And that's not because it's not making a "statement", but because the songs are barely above mediocre. (Statements are completely irrelevant in art. What matters most is the creative expression of the artist, band etc.) There's just no one out there with the creative gunpowder to put together a classic album"

Cheyenne: "Comments like Rock Is Dead , usually comes from failed wannabe song writers who cant
even sing; and dont listen to whats being played on T V and Radio Stations, Most whos only
contact with the real world comes from web sites like this, These same opinionated Loons
Cant play a musical instrument , and frequently name drops on his or her latest collaborator,
who trys to put music to a latest lyric , written for the eye and not the ear, both seeking
slaps on the back from equally gullible peers who haven't got a clue as well.

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#1142547 - 07/05/18 10:56 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Well Shucks,
The good news is good music is never dead! The bad news is, now hang on to your heebie-jeebies, a Whiskey Storage unit up in Kentucky collapsed. It held some 18 thousand barrels I read. So get out some of your favorite music and play it. Maybe White Lighting by George Jones.


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#1142563 - 07/05/18 07:23 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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The Eagles just played the Astro's baseball field. Journey and such pull in huge crowds absent some of the original members.
I just spent a week in Flagstaff which is a college town. Every place I ate or had a beer played Hendrix and The Doors and such.
I heard no Lady Gaga, no Taylor Swift, No Demi Lavato for a week. There were young people everywhere.

I don't see how "Rock" can be called dead.

But you could make a case that it can no longer give birth.

Unless, you count all the new-country that uses 80's chord patterns and lead guitar solos over and over again. it's like Nashville threw away all the teles and traded in for Les Pauls and Marshalls.

The above is worth what you paid. So forget a refund. smile

#1142564 - 07/05/18 07:47 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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I think that's what's being said Marty. Classic rock can still find an audience and classic rock radio can still make money playing classic rock on radio and programming (although my definition of what rock is, is not really what radio and media consider rock)

.ie, Pink Floyd, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Moody Blues, Kansas, and all the progressive rock bands from the 70's and 70's in general gets the label of classic rock....

To me classic rock is Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Beatles, Stones, Who and kinks, from 60's. What the who did in 70's was great, but not rock n roll.

Having said that, the question is, is anybody making quality rock music today, and do people care to hear it, people being the mainstream.

My niece Shawn mendez and Bieber on most of the time. And that is cause it's on the radio. We are in many ways controlled by radio, or media

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All the years of this same conversation have taught me this: the music people buy is no damn good, and they ought to be listening to what they do not buy.

#1142575 - 07/06/18 02:52 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Yeah Mark but even when I was a kid, the radio/mtv was the main source of music. People dont wanna work to hear music, so they accept what's there.

I grew up in the 80's, how Men Without Hats Safety Dance, Flock of Seagulls I ran, Devo Whip it, and all that stuff was the prime choice for most people, I dont know,
but that's how it works. They became huge hits.

We are told what to like, simply by them making it readily available.

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I always thought of rock as one of the first world music.

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It's one, but I'd say folk and blues were the first world music. Rock, which is basicly blues with a backbeat, derives from them.

We basicly have no American music without the blues...thank you Robert Johnson and Albert King!

No country, no rock, no jazz, no ragtime, no hip hop, no r@b, without it, we might have pop music though, maybe, we'd sound a lot like classical music.

#1142598 - 07/07/18 07:59 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
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That kind of Rock doesn't get much FM or Video exposure.


I get your overall point, but they got LOADS of FM airplay... but the hits mostly came out of FM play, where Led Zeppelin et al. lived. They had their share of massive mainstream hits, over a sustained period of time. It is just that the 60's and early 70's have had many resurgences but right now it is the 80's and even 00's on the oldies resurgence culturally and musically. 80's has held on to that for a decade now but we're pushing into the 90's/early 2000's next which was by a mile the worst era of music before or during my lifetime. I don't expect their reign to last as long thankfully, but just long enough so old people give up the ghost. Current music should not still be worshipping 50 year old music. Usually it takes 25-30 years so that 3 full distinct generations all remember them together pushing it to the top of influence. We're just too far past it. It has the respect of those who actually care about music,it's just that it has entered something akin to actual classical music albeit with a much larger audience due to it's existing contemporary fans. Before too long computers will entirely create the music we have, fine tuned to put us into the emotional state those in power desire. It is already being tested and tried out by google and the technocracy we live under. Orwell could have imagined how willingly modern generations stop living their lives completely awaiting the latest Pavlovian dog treat to make their next move. And this isn't about dumb young kids, all ages are all in to the pill popping pharma, vegas style motivational beeps and blurps and cultural march to give up our dwindling rights, hate at least half the "others" around us and inevitably retreat permanently into the wombs of our homes, our VR headsets and automated spousal units. We are already too far on this path to resist with the militarized local police and 5G, the worst health threat to those people the "state"doesn't think are in line and the quickest way to population control. Doubt it? Research health issues from 5G and learn what those funny little towers surrounding you.

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#1142621 - 07/08/18 12:12 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Fdemetrio...did you just try to insult me and my writing? I could outwrite you when I was a teenager. You give me the impression of a guy who knows a certain amount of mechanics but who lacks that key ingredient...talent. Sure, I'm only a lyricist, but I'm a damn good one and from what I've heard and seen, you're not a good anything musically.

I'm sorry you can't win an argument about rock and roll on facts but that's no reason to insult me. Rock is dead...and you can't write.

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No, I actually didn't try to insult you. I pointed out the irony of what Cheynne said, with your input in this thread. If anything you should be mad at her, she socked it to u without realizing it. It did make me chuckle, if that's a crime.

As far as talent, u can think, and always do what u want, after all nobody is any good but you. You are the worlds greatest etc...

I have never gotten any sense of entertainment, or insight or inspiration, or
Awe from your lyrics. They are boring to me.

But being that you don't think any artist since the mid 90's has any talent, I think that puts me in good company.

Oh wait, you have a cut.... Now does your cut qualify as one of the rare exceptions of a good song since 1995?

You must have a way to spin it.

Cuts mean......





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The late JPF member who still tops the list of all time Post by 10,000 stayed with us on a

visit to Europe, Stan was great company , but he wrote lyrical lines, that were Old

Fashioned to say the least, he never took anything to heart , if you told him about

his limitations; but he would re write a line to suit a proposed melody, with just a grin,

the songs never came to anything , and I had no expectations of even trying to pitch

them; Stan had no voice he could not even stay in tune, so he never got the prosody

between the music and the words right; He threw money away making Demo Albums

of terrible songs as did The Late Lyric writer Graham Henderson, Tone Deaf , but a likeable

Character, there are many around like this, that's the nature of The Human Character

Sing Your Words , they are so important, if you cant , get someone who can, but thats

not an easy way unless you have a live in partner who is able to sing it for you



The sound of ROCK is ever present in all popular music and has been for

Fifty plus years ; Many of the leading so called country stars are more Rock than any of

the old traditional stuff but its selling, And the performers are still doing sell out shows all over

the World ; The early twelve bar blues type of Rock and Roll is something else but The Rock acts

like Queen still tour all over the world to sell out shows; and they are not alone; Rock Cant

Be Dead

Its possible those who say its Dead never liked it or understood it in the first place

If you unbelievers cant be bothered to listen to whats out their thats your hard luck ,

Rock is an attitude that is completely unique , if anyone disagrees with it that's okay by me

but It's ever present in every successful band ,if you cant hear it that'

is your misfortune

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She didn't sock it to me, she was very complimentary of one of my songs awhile back. And yeah, I'd like to think Just Enough Light is a great song.

Cheyenne, rock may be present but it's a corpse. That's why I can list a hundred great albums from memory that came out in 67-69 but none from this year. That's ok. Musical forms come and go. Rock just hasn't been replaced with anything worthwhile. Rap is trash.

Rock was an attitude...that attitude gave us Revolver, Blonde on Blonde and Let It Bleed. The attitude is gone, too.

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1 4 5 and 1 4 5 6 and the melody lines that accompany them are pretty well spent after several decades of use and reuse and reuse. The ideas behind the lyrics were spent centuries ago, but made fresh by electric guitars beginning in the 50's and cresting in the 80's. The core of rock is the electric guitar.

Having said that, I can find merit in contemporary music of all sorts. Not all of it, but "Afternoon Delight" never lit me up either.

Robert, if you refuse to see anything good in any music since 1990, you run the risk of relegating what you write to the sensibilities of a bygone era that people aren't terribly concerned with anymore.

I'm not rebuking you. I'm saying that because I believe it.

Martin

#1142653 - 07/09/18 10:57 AM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Couchgrouch do you actually read what you say?

I mean here you are dismissing anythjng from jack white, or foo fighters, or Gary Clark Jr., or anything done modernly, yet you have the gumption to say your cut just enough light to see the day is a great song.

You are seriously delusional. I had a bigger rant but i won't go any further.

I will say that if you were called for jury duty you shouldn't ever be picked for a case, because you are hopelessly biased.







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To me it's not the music that sucks today. What sucks is that the delivery systems changed and can no longer pull off the trick of entertaining MOST listeners. My favorite magic window in time is the mid 60s through the early 70s, the age of payola. Back then, more people had fewer options to hear music, and it strikes me that a wider variety of styles was often presented on many stations, when radio and television were the only way to broadcast, and when fewer charts had more variety, songs and artists hand-picked by forward-thinking risktakers like Ertegun and Wexler and Gordy and the like. It was a well-curated show that promised to just keep getting better.

But it makes sense to me that as all the delivery systems expanded, music broadcasting and sales also became more genre-specific and scattered. The simpler world of fewer options is a nostalgic era that is not coming back in our lifetimes. What makes a song resonate with a large populace is not the song's quality, but the impact of its exposure to a huge swath of people. Without that, the greatest song in the world is just a song that didn't "make it". Without all the memories that associate our lives to that great song, it's just a pretty sound poem, and a loser, not a winner. Good luck getting any style of music exposed to that larger section of listeners available in those earlier days of less stations with more listeners. Today, no one who hates a certain style of music ends up hearing it everywhere anymore...relatively few songs have managed that trick in the past few decades.

If you really, really love music, then you NEED to find it. Otherwise, you won't hear it. Great music never died...it just doesn't reach the same amount of ears it once did, and rarely gets selected for an attempt. Without the ability to reach so many different ears, it has no chance of making as big an impact as it once did on the greater population...and without that, will never be universally regarded as Great.

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I agree Mark, which is why it's ironic, because we have so many outlets to find music, but we tend to go where the crowd is. "Nothing attracts a crowd, like a crowd"

But I won't admonish my niece or nephew for listening to radio and nothing else. My niece does listen to Spotify and she likes modern country.

I do feel bad for them in a way, that they can't get excited over the Beatles or the stones, or anything with a guitar...actually. But who the hell am I to tell them

if I'm being honest, I have to say that the majority of music I have heard in my life came from radio. When I was a kid, radio was a big part of my life. You couldn't afford to buy hundreds of records, at least not in one clip. And so your database, if you will, was the radio.

I wasn't into playing music until my early teens, when mtv came along. I never liked mtv music much, but as I look back, there were some great bands on there all the time. Hall and Oates, today I respect the hell out of, at the time I didn't think much of them.

But there were few resources beyond radio and mtv to find music back then.

If I hadn't heard my generation on radio, hundreds of times back in the late 70's early 80's, I would have never picked up a guitar, no doubt about it.

radio and media do more than play music, they inform us what's happening.

People don't view indies as viable or as good as mainstream stars. They assume that the best is at the Grammys.

But it also comes back to one simple concept, likes and dislikes of music make us think our opinions are superior.

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Let me add, today is a good time for me, a musician who likes music. I'm able to find singer songwriters that I indentify, ones who I think, maybe, if I work hard enough could be as good as. You know it ain't Mozart or Wes Montgomery, it's guys on my wavelength who I think are brilliant

Here is one such guy. Shame he'll never be big, but I lovehis music.

I've been to his shows and met him...he's doing alright for himself. But let me also add, that I don't expect the average music listener to think anything of him. He's just not that type of singer songwriter.

Some my favorite stuff

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vyb4qzt4zQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JaxLog6852c

Great cover of me and Julio..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLNPg9iPws


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In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
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Hi Couch Grous Yes, how old were you in Sixty Nine some 47 years ago, some of


us have played in and formed other Bands since that time, and have kept up with changing


Musical Fashions ;


Why are you even trying to collaborate as a song writer , when you seem to hate


everything you hear , let alone give opinions, Did your ever


see QUEEN ?? did you like their music. Could you even tell me why you liked


a certain Band or Solo Singer , all those years ago and why they were popular and


in what way were they innovative


Maybe its you who are living in a Semi Corpsal State; not ROCK



To be quite honest a response Like I Have Always Been a Better Lyric Writer Than You


re your reply to Fedemetrio is quite childish ,


Why do you need to be so defensive of well meant advice??


Why do you need constant back slapping via your latest lyrical posting


Could you even explain why any of your songs are under your self appointed heading


of GREAT??? because we cant hear it , perhaps you could explain in a more


technical way; why they are GREAT ?


All songs should include whats known as Dynamics ,without those elements


in a song , you have repetitive boring melodies;


But perhaps you know better???



Foot note

I cant waste any more time on answering your replies , I am too busy so lets call it a day


I am far too busy and I realise nothing can change your view of modern song writing


Best Wishes






















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#1142751 - 07/11/18 12:36 PM Re: Daltrey says Rock is Dead..... [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Couchgrouch doesn't write melodies, and writing lyrics to music and existing melody is worlds away from setting the motion yourself on paper, but thats for another day.

I'm not looking to pile on Couchgrouch here. It can be frustrating, although entertaining, reading his version of the Gospel.

When ones measurement of greatness in songwriting, is oneself, and then the rest must meet that standard, it becomes comic book material.

"I can list great albums" yeah, and so can everybody else, including people in India who listen to third world music.

It would be helpful breaking down reasons as to why something is great or not, not that it will change perception, but to make it a respectable debate.

You cant simply say, I can name 25 great albums from 1960's but cant name any from 2000, that is not proof of anything, it's not even sensible.

Nothing wrong with believing you're great, or anyone else is or isn't, but it's not fact, and can never be proven.

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I hear much of Southern Rock in country, from Lynard Skynard, The Allman Brothers and Molly Hatchet. Garth Brooks seems more rock at times than The Eagles. Music looks to be either an evolutionary chain or a de-evolutionary, depending on how that is looked at. But what is good or bad is very subjective.
In entertainment it seems to be who has that certain personality and can best take advantage of opportunities. But there are so many that have the love for it that do not have that. Sometimes better results seem to come not even looking at a marketing strategy and just blowing in the wind.


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