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#1141825 - 06/14/18 07:19 AM Charles Krauthammer  
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It doesn't appear that Charles Krauthammer will be around much longer. This is a couple months old. I missed it till it appeared on FB yesterday. Refreshing view (as always with Charles).


https://uga.forums.rivals.com/threads/charles-hits-the-nail-on-the-head.318983/


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#1141826 - 06/14/18 08:33 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Sorry to hear about Charles, but he is as wrong as wrong can be in his analysis here. Trump is not a "pragmatist" (a person who is guided more by practical considerations than by ideals) -- he is transactional and binary. He is either winning or losing. This "transactional" approach can be good if the the person is well versed and knowledgeable about the topics he talks about. I'll let you decide what that case is for trump.


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#1141827 - 06/14/18 09:42 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Well Shucks there "Kev",
I know it is driving the Liberals mad but Whats-His-Name is restoring the Constitution much to their dismay. I believe Krauthammer became more conservative as he aged. Or in other words, BOOK YOUR OWN LIFE!


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#1141828 - 06/14/18 09:55 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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When a person has endured the terrible obstacles Krauthammer (sp?) has faced... I am amazed at all the things he has accomplished during his predicted short life-span. No matter his politics. He has a mind like a steel trap, a quick wit and the soul of a Saint... in my humble opinion. He will be missed if "called home" by the Man Upstairs.

I saw the video about him the other night and it sure makes me sad. Greatness is a gift and he has not wasted a single bit of it on being snide or petty. Thanks for sharing, John.

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#1141830 - 06/14/18 10:03 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Ray: Not interested.

Dave: It is always great to have decent people around, on either side of any argument. I can't say that I heard or read many of Charles' opinion pieces, but what I have heard makes him (in my mind) a fair-minded conservative spokesman.


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#1141833 - 06/14/18 10:29 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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At the end of the day it's about TV ratings.

It's the same thing with sports talk radio, I watch a lot and listen to a lot of sports media, majority of times I say to myself, this guy is an idiot, he doesn't know what he's talking about..... But he's on tv/radio.

I'm not big on politics, although I wish I could watch snl or late night tv without the anti trump comments. Not that I'm his supporter, I'd just like to watch a program without it

But same thing, these guys jobs are not to be right, their job is get ratings, the show will put a guy who gets ratings on in front of somebody sharper or wiser.

Both sides do this. Many conservatives didn't like Bill Oreilly, many liberals don't like the late night gang.

But if the ratings dropped, so would the talk about trump. He's making all these shows rich, and giving them sustainable careers

I wonder what they hell snl or late night will do when trump is out of office, they will be sad, cause all their material will be gone.

The message is, politics is entertainment, same as sports radio or tv, it's not there to be accurate, as it's all opinion anyway.


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#1141836 - 06/14/18 10:49 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Trump has no knowledge of History and so he can just keep making the same mistakes. Charles is a fantastic guy and I'm a Dem.....I love this guy and loved his Book....Hope he doesn't die when he is supposed to. The Docs told me 18 months ago if I didn't have chemo I'd be dead in six months and I'm still here. The Docs don't know nothin.....My Poor wife now seems to have a Positive Breast Biopsy and am going to the GP for the Report and what to do next. She is 77 and now we both have cancer. It is really tough to take....

#1141837 - 06/14/18 10:51 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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His Life Story is compelling and inspirational....

#1141853 - 06/14/18 01:47 PM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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I just read the doctors gave him two weeks. Those generous doctors.

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#1141870 - 06/15/18 06:36 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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I like Trump on some levels and hate him on other levels. He is doing right by Israel. He is doing right with North Korea if they follow through. He is making friend with his enemies, which is ok, but he is making enemies with his friend and allies. By whacking duties on things that will drive up the cost of items that his fellow Americans have to buy, using false pretenses to do so, does not make sense. If he puts 25% duty on cars, along with the duty on aluminum and steel, it will increase the cost of a car by $8000.00. Apparently you now have the lowest unemployment rate in your history, some jobs go begging for someone to fill them, still he is turning people away that might fill those jobs. You don't have the capacity to manufacture all the aluminum and steel you need, so you still have to import it and pay that 25% duty, which drives up prices. You can't produce lumber fast enough to keep up with demand, so you must import lumber which has a duty slapped on it driving up cost. Penny wise and pound foolish comes to mind.

#1141873 - 06/15/18 09:10 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Krauthammer is a very decent man and it is too bad that his life is ending. I hope he leaves this life in comfort.

Trump patterned a presidential run after his experience with the WWF and reality tv. And against 20 plus competitors, half the country hating him, and most of the world hating him...he won out. On the first attempt. He beat them all. Don't kid yourself...a stupid person could not do that.

At this point, he is getting some traction and there is some shifting towards him by the "people in the middle." Very possibly, enough shifting for the repubs to hold the house and senate and Trump to win 2020. Facilitated by a troop of dem candidates who appear wild-eyed and crazy to your average wage-earning-bill-paying citizen.

Going forward, Trump's presidency hangs on the performance of the economy. If people have a paycheck, they vote for the paycheck. They don't care who the prez is banging on the side or about morality issues. The Clinton's proved that. As did the erstwhile (presumably) cocaine snorter, Obama.

As far as our allies hating us, that's a good sign. It's like these millennial children who won't leave home and get off the parent's teat. When the parents finally tell them that they have to leave, they throw a temper tantrum. even in their thirties.. Our allies need to get off of our teat. In reality, we are a debtor nation whose govt does not actually have the money to pay for all the things that the world will take from us.

Our trade imbalance has been a ridiculous double standard for years. Trump is condemned for wanting to install the same tariffs that our trading partners have installed...and the trading partners are raising hell about it. The millennial kid comes to mind there.

Trump is unlikable, but at this point in American history, he is a useful sociopath, in many ways. Trump seized on what was wrong in the USA and beat it like a drum to get elected. The reason that he is such a dislikable character is because the situation was so dislikable. it begat him. Similarly, the drug infested circumstance in the Phillipines begat a rather nasty dictator/president.

Ps...I'm sure that my post has fired up some TDS and shot up some blood pressures. Politically oriented topics are not good for a songwriting site. However, notwithstanding that...I added some clarity. wink


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#1141874 - 06/15/18 09:37 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Martin Lide]  
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I voted for Trump but wouldn't again. I know a lot of Dems who feel the same way. I believe about a third of the County like a Big Daddy rather than a President of the Republic with all it's
problems with divided Gov....Trump has always been a Dictator of his company and still would like to have that. I fear for the Country as I see that if the Dems win back the house in 2018 Trumps Cult Following will believe it if Trump tells them the Election was crooked and they can't believe the Results....THEN WHAT? People in the Streets.....? Violence??? Don' think this isn't possible. IF this happens HE could declare Martial Law and close down all elections until order is restored. Then If there is violence in different states the Feds may come in and have to fight the National Guards.....I know I sound nuts but this could happen. We did have a Civil War.

#1141876 - 06/15/18 09:48 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Martin: Spoken with logic and solid reasoning.

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#1141878 - 06/15/18 09:51 AM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
I voted for Trump but wouldn't again. I know a lot of Dems who feel the same way. I believe about a third of the County like a Big Daddy rather than a President of the Republic with all it's
problems with divided Gov....Trump has always been a Dictator of his company and still would like to have that. I fear for the Country as I see that if the Dems win back the house in 2018 Trumps Cult Following will believe it if Trump tells them the Election was crooked and they can't believe the Results....THEN WHAT? People in the Streets.....? Violence??? Don' think this isn't possible. IF this happens HE could declare Martial Law and close down all elections until order is restored. Then If there is violence in different states the Feds may come in and have to fight the National Guards.....I know I sound nuts but this could happen. We did have a Civil War.


Barry...I suppose that there are several Sci-fy scripts possible. One previous one was that the stock market was going to tank the day Trump took office because of its revulsion towards him. It didn't happen.

It's the economy. People aren't going to take to the streets in numbers that matter and tear up property if they have jobs.

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All this banter about Whats-His-Name reminds me of the Aesop's Fable about the Mice that wanted to put a Bell on the Cat. Every agreed it needed to be done but who was brave enough to do it. All the Talking Heads are sure chirping away, waiting for somebody else to Bell the Cat. Ha,Ha,Ha......


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#1141899 - 06/15/18 02:08 PM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Let's face it, Trump got elected for two reasons. 1. People wanted a change, ANY change. 2. he managed to get the working class/middle class on his side. They are the backbone of this country, and he knew it. Not that he cares one bit about the middle class, but that's who he appealed to

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#1141900 - 06/15/18 04:40 PM Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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When Mr. Trump announced his candidacy, he would have been my last choice... well, nearly last. Does he fit the mold? No, when compared to all the others with one exception. Has he done the job. YES! Despite all the obstacle creators, nay sayers and never-Trumpers. I've never witnessed more energy and effectiveness. Do I like his "tweets?" Not necessarily... but he has less than 10% of the "press" even willing to give him a fair shake... so he makes his own news.

I guess that makes me "middle class"... even though I've always thought of myself as Royalty! LOL!

I believe Mr. Mueller should resign immediately and take his stooges with him so this man can complete the job he was elected to do. The FBI and the IRS need a large dose of Castor Oil.

Get over it Hillary worshipers. She would have driven us to ruin, surrendered to the North Koreans and sold us to the Chinese or Russians just so she and slick Willy could have slid into retirement on some faraway tropical island.

Sorry John (and Charles Krauthammer)... we've stolen your thread and turned it into another political comedy.

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Sorry Dave my friend but we part company here and I voted for him.
He seems unstable to me and a real Bully Boy and can't keep a thought straight.
IF he doesn't like what he hears or reads he doesn't address it he just calls it fake.
He has a cult following and I find them liking a Big Daddy Leader and not divided Gov..
I see two freight trains barreling down a track towards each other with no brakes and when they collide there will be a Civil War here in America and it will be neighbor against neighbor. I see some of your points but I'm off the reservation. Terrible violence may be coming to America but hope I'm wrong.....BUT I'M NOT....

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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
Sorry Dave my friend but we part company here and I voted for him.
He seems unstable to me and a real Bully Boy and can't keep a thought straight.
IF he doesn't like what he hears or reads he doesn't address it he just calls it fake.
He has a cult following and I find them liking a Big Daddy Leader and not divided Gov..
I see two freight trains barreling down a track towards each other with no brakes and when they collide there will be a Civil War here in America and it will be neighbor against neighbor. I see some of your points but I'm off the reservation. Terrible violence may be coming to America but hope I'm wrong.....BUT I'M NOT....


Disagree.

I don't like Trump personally. I think that he's a complete azzo and a sociopathic liar. The tweets are entertaining to me, and allow him to fabricate the news before the overwhelmingly liberal establishment press does. I like that they hate it.

But there is the Trump Paradox. Although he, personally, is an unceasing Sh t-storm...for the most part, I like his positions on major issues, and like judiciary appointments (massive importance), and like what he signs into law. And he is bizarrely consistent where the rubber meets the road. In that regard, the entire political system offered no close second. Everyone else took orders from the same donor class that had decided that middle-class American citizens are not an important enough matter to be concerned with. Only international profits are. Which is great profits for them and a job for the guys who will maintain the upcoming multitude of robots that will be taking over all the work, To quote Pink..."what about us?"

As for violence...
Look around and think back. When Obama was in, everything was about race relations. And Charlotte, Ferguson and other places were riot nodes with 24 hour media presences that would go on for days or weeks. It is not worse, it is calmer, it is better.

Even Rocket Man and Trump are having a smooch-fest. Under Obama, he was a non-stop thorn in the side.

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Castor Oil. Damn Dave you are mean! I can still taste that stuff 70 years later!


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I think Trump has taught us that it does not matter one bit who The President is.

Life as most of us know it is the same today as it was before he got in. And even people who don't like him are going to try to say something positive because
they are Republicans, and they'd rather have a mess of a Republican than a great Dem.

The whole party thing doesn't sit well with me. To me people who vote for their party without looking at who's running are being too idealistic.

I didnt vote last time cause i didn't like either of them, and maybe not voting sends a message to find us some candidates!

Martin where does Trump consistency come in? Where is the wall? Mexico was gonna pay for it.... Where is the improvements on infrastructure he mentioned on his victory speech?

I dont mind Trump really, but he hasnt helped the middle class and hasn't done much. But no President does





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#1142120 - 8 hours ago Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I think Trump has taught us that it does not matter one bit who The President is.

Life as most of us know it is the same today as it was before he got in. And even people who don't like him are going to try to say something positive because
they are Republicans, and they'd rather have a mess of a Republican than a great Dem.

The whole party thing doesn't sit well with me. To me people who vote for their party without looking at who's running are being too idealistic.

I didnt vote last time cause i didn't like either of them, and maybe not voting sends a message to find us some candidates!

Martin where does Trump consistency come in? Where is the wall? Mexico was gonna pay for it.... Where is the improvements on infrastructure he mentioned on his victory speech?

I dont mind Trump really, but he hasnt helped the middle class and hasn't done much. But no President does







He can't build the wall personally. But he is unrelentingly pursuing it. He is unrelentingly pursuing a secured border and stopping illegal entrants. In the face of screaming opposition. First president to do so in my lifetime.

He is taking on all of our trading partners with regard to imbalances, theft of intellectual property, off-shoring American jobs. Also, in the face of screaming opposition. Oddly, by many of the people who might benefit.

He is unrelentingly appointing conservative judges. That's a big deal.

He pursues infrastructure spending but cant pass it himself and gets blocked for a multitude of reasons. The one silver lining to that dark cloud is that the US does not have the huge money that is being talked about for that purpose.

And I disagree with your first point. Life is better.
Obama installed a lot of regs on people and business. HRC would have removed none and added more. Obama had fed taxes up high. HRC would have left them there. Tax reductions clearly stimulate economic activity. Things are much more optimistic economically than they would have been under HRC.

And her presidency would have been every bit the vitriolic circus that Trump's is.

But that's where I part with Trump fwiw...I think that he overshot on roll backs. The financiers in this country proved during the S&L collapse and the mortgage bust that when govt let's go of their reins, they will run the economy into the ground every time. I think that Trump rolled back too much on the bankers. And he did so with a 20tril debt (headed for 30tril) that no one talks about anymore now that the repubs are in. The repubs used to beat that drum to death under Obama. Trump could be setting up the big and total collapse that was avoided during the early Obama years. I hope not. I will be terribly old if everything falls to pieces.

The gist...Trump is far from perfect, but still the best choice that many of us have.


#1142121 - 7 hours ago Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Well,
It is a part of life when someone passes. I have lost loved ones from barely past infancy to at least age 97. Lot of stuff there to digest Martin. A lot of elected officials passed the Buck for a lot of years expecting to fix it tomorrow. Well tomorrow is here and the result is Donald Trump. The unfortunate thing for all those trying to still fudge things is Trump has been seeing it all these years. Seeing Rome in the distance will sober you up in a hurry! A lot of people are screaming but they know he is right. Write a hit! Geronimo!


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#1142123 - 6 hours ago Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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I just don't like the Dude Period...

#1142129 - 5 hours ago Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
I just don't like the Dude Period...


That is an emotional dismissal Barry.

In line with FD's last comment....there are people in an office building somewhere (dems) who just celebrated the fact that you have publicly announced that you are "in-the-bag" with Trump haters. It was their job to get you in-the-bag.

Are you comfortable in-the-bag?


#1142131 - 3 hours ago Re: Charles Krauthammer [Re: Martin Lide]  
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I'm in nobody's bag....He is a Bully Boy [naughty word removed] and If I'm emotional SO BE IT....


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