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#1138527 - 03/13/18 07:01 AM NRA why?  
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Why are they so powerful to the point that they have every Politian quaking in their boots and even the president of the USA bowing to their every demand.? Does their money get them elected to office? We know big business runs governments but that is ridiculous.

#1138537 - 03/13/18 09:57 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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It's all about Power and Money and Elections. In many states the gun people don't want any restrictions. SO if a Republican or even a Dem is for any controls they get a primary challenge and they might not even be able to run again. It's just that simple. Many just want to keep the status quo and have no regulations. They feel that they are not doing anything wrong so why should they suffer. The do have a point. BTW Big Food/Junk Food Industry kills more people in a day than guns do in a year.

#1138551 - 03/13/18 03:55 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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And, Medical Malpractice is the THIRD leading cause of deaths in the USA. Nobody is calling to Ban Doctors, or places where the most malpractices occur. Babies, kids of all ages DIE because of Some or maybe more than some doctors. WAY more than guns and whatever else would be factual, which I don't know at this time of writing.

BUT, Libs will scream for gun control, thinking NO killings will be done if they would JUST pass a law. Real life doesn't work that way. They tried banning booze, and look what happened when they did. MORE booze was flowing, and even aided in having The Mafia advance to the point of many killings, and being in control of many places selling booze in secret. So, geeezzzz,,,,why don't many people THINK about ALL the factors which are involved in anything???

I think that reason is die to some networks saying things as if fact, and would be fact, if only this or that would be law. Brainwashing still is in effect.

If not thinking of ALL factors when watching ANY network of any side, it seems it would be easy to brainwash people.

THINK INDEPENDENTLY! Pros and Cons are there to properly THINK ABOUT on both or any side! It's when beliefs are put into the conviction part of brains that it is nearly impossible to THINK about ALL Factors. It's that simple of a science.

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#1138577 - 03/14/18 07:52 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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They don't have to ban all guns, only those that should only be in the hands of the armed forces or police forces, not teenagers. Hunters need shotguns and rifles, not machine guns. A pistol at home for protection from burglars maybe.

Did you see all the shoes on the lawn of the Whitehouse representing the kids that have been killed at schools over the years.?

#1138578 - 03/14/18 08:30 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Maybe we ought to arm the Deer...lol
I believe it's way too late to do anything about guns in America. 300 million legal guns already out there and millions illegal also.
Assault rifles really destroy human tissue when shot and it's really a mess being shot with one of those.
I am and have been writing a Story / Musical called The Founding Fathers Come Back For A Visit....and a really cools song called "George & The Boys Are Back In Town"....and I think I'll have them pipe in on the Second Amendment Debate.....

#1138581 - 03/14/18 09:19 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
They don't have to ban all guns, only those that should only be in the hands of the armed forces or police forces, not teenagers. Hunters need shotguns and rifles, not machine guns. A pistol at home for protection from burglars maybe.

Did you see all the shoes on the lawn of the Whitehouse representing the kids that have been killed at schools over the years.?



Yes, the shoes. Most killed by gangs, wo most make their own guns. I saw a suspected place in Philly when I turned down a wrong street. I was later told that the police don't even enter that specific area, and it is known Black Market Gun and Drug Manufacturing block. The place was guarded with guys with guns easily shown. I never shook so much while driving my piano service van. They looked surprised to see a piano service van go down THEIR street. Lucky for me for their delay of confusion, as it seemed.

More kids are also killed by cars and medical malpractice. The shoes don't tell the whole story, as those kinds of Liberal displays hardly ever do. Got to look at know ALL factors in anything. But, most can't be bothered to learn. For they have an agenda they were told is all they need to know by the media. Gangs kill kids in Philly often by mistake, Lone of fire between two gangs in many areas of Philly and I suspect other cities. Especially Chicago. Yikes. Add up the pairs of shoes from just those two cities in the same time period from gangs, for which they have and WILL get or make guns of any type in garages and basements. I know this first hand, and am glad I was able to get outta there without leaving my shoes behind.

How many kids get killed by guns, bombs, etc by those in uniforms in many countries? ALL legal killing too. ????


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#1138585 - 03/14/18 10:25 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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It should be mentioned that one of the worst shootings of kids in history happened in Norway in 2011.
It happens all over the world.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14259356

#1138618 - 03/14/18 09:35 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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The government or more accurately the elite want us all disarmed and poor. If you think any of this has anything to do with public safety you need to take your head out of the sand.

Prohibition does NOT work. Laws only apply to 'law-abiding citizens'. Let's take a look:
1. Alcohol prohibition - FAIL, more violence than ever and more drinking.
2. Drug prohibition - FAIL, the neverending Prison Profit system with the U.S. leading the way in locking people up + the major violence + more drug use than ever.
3. Gun bans in cities like Chicago - FAIL, do I really need to say any more?
...

Can we look at SSRI drugs and have a conversation about the correlation between them and crazy violent acts? Oh, absolutely not! Everyone KNOWS this has no connection to these events because Big Pharma said so.

I could keep going but I am going to stop now.
Give me a break.

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#1138651 - 03/15/18 07:40 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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I guess it is like the bible says, man's heart is evil and will choose to do evil most of the time. We don't like to be told what to do even when it is for our own good. Tell a child not to touch a stove so they won't be burned, but they seem to have to find out for themselves before they believe it is true.

Telling teens that drugs and alcohol can ruin their lives does not stop them from trying them.

#1138656 - 03/15/18 08:47 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: TC Perkins]  
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Most of the young men who commit mass shootings have schizophrenia and hear voices to to this stuff. Depression and Bi Polar and Anxiety is a different animal. People on SSRI'S for depression are not committing these crimes.....It's like the difference between a cold and sepsis pneumonia. I have some knowledge in this area as I was a Psych Nurse for over ten years.

#1138657 - 03/15/18 08:53 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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It's very hard to make laws against things that people want.....
I wrote out my story called MY LIFETIME STRUGGLE WITH ADDICTION...
The war on this and that doesn't work.
As long as people like to get a euphoric feeling they will continue to take opiods.
As long as people want to take drugs there will be a seller as that is Capitalism.
I'd legalize all drugs, gambling and prostitution and tax the hell out of it.
Gangs control the inner cities and other places and that's just the way it is. They go to jail and join more gangs.
BUT Most People in the world are good people and if good people don't rise up and speak out against the bad THAT is a problem. We need Light to expose the darkness.
AND We can't keep doing the same things over and over and over again and expect a different result as That is Insane...

#1138673 - 03/15/18 03:01 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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The NRA is a straw man scapegoat for the 2nd Amendment hating left. The 2nd amendment protects the first amendment as well as the constitution and our Republic. The founding fathers intentionally placed it in there as a last resort protection against tyranny and authoritarian rule which the left so seems to cherish with their daydreams of Marxism. Sadly all the positive things the left was once for have fallen away. Free Speech, Privacy Protection, Rule of Law, Equal Rights rather than rights and privileges based on the color of someone's skin. Now they demand segregation of some races from other races, relentlessly attack a particular race, wish to destroy free speech and replace it with hate speech laws that are ill defined only by the beholder in power who will use it to control all dissent. Question government's official stance on any issue, you are guilty of a hate crime and they are stretching to include thought crimes and attempting to use AI to predict future crimes so they can stop dissenters because they might rebel or disobey in the future.

One thing all the mass shooters have in common? None have been NRA members. Most have been leftist in nature, something never pointed out whereas the rare right wing shooters are identified and thrust out there to scare everyone of yet another straw man. Rarely do the anti 2nd amendment loudmouths ever have significant knowledge or experience with guns short of paid talking heads hired for propaganda purposes (and most of those have no clue either). There is no such thing as an assault rifle. It is a made up term. The AR does not stand for Assault Rifle and in fact was a civilian sport weapon that only later was adopted by the military. As much or more damage can be done with handguns in a mass shooting, especially if the assailant has two pistols firing at once. Automatics have long been illegal except in nearly impossible situations only affordable by the very rich (Common thugs who will break any law passed including confiscation will easily always be able to get a gun of any type they please illegally). Gun laws only affect honest law abiding people and never deter criminals. Today guns can be built in garages by people if they wish and even printed by 3d printers so eliminating them is folly without immense crushing and violent authoritarian crackdowns. It seems the left, who once stood against that sort of thing, now welcomes it.

Dumb kids brainwashed by marxist teachers and ill equipped for critical thought on any topic, are being used as useful idiots to push for more authoritarian rule and the total destruction of privacy, free speech and the remnants of the last most free nation in the world.


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#1138677 - 03/15/18 05:56 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Everett, can you provide proof the NRA has every politician quaking in their boots and POTUS bowing to their every demand?

Ps good post, Brian.

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#1138679 - 03/15/18 07:15 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Hi Everett and fellow JPF Posters:

Our two countries came into existence from different directions... even though both had a common parent. We rebelled in a risky war we nearly lost against Great Britain... and because of the oppressive nature in which we were treated... it became very important for common citizens to have the ability to own firearms. Canada's relationship to what is now the United Kingdom has been generally very amicable and continues now.

In your defense, the argument about everyday citizens owning automatic weapons of military grade was once illegal here. I do not know the exact date our government chose to change the law. (Sorry, no time for research right now.) I have owned several weapons in my lifetime but have given most of them away (many were captured German or Japanese Weapons from WWII) and yet I still feel the need to retain a weapon. In our society, there is a massive criminal element who will possess weapons of all types by any means possible. Then there is always the possibility that a future government will attempt gun control and try to take our weapons away.

You may remember the video of the event in California where two gunmen armed with automatic weapons nearly took down an entire police department as they attempted to leave the scene of a bank robbery. (Several years ago.) I refer to this to emphasize my point about criminals obtaining weapons. Fortunately, brave officers prevailed.

Lately, many terrorists and deranged persons have begun using automobiles as weapons against defenseless crowds or people on the street. We don't hear a "hue and cry" against banning vehicles... or jet airliners used to bring down the "towers" in Manhattan.

This problem is not what weapon is being used to kill innocent people, in my humble opinion. It is about evil and/or deranged minds. I am more concerned about the video games kids spend hours each day "playing" as they "realistically" kill opponent humans. This appears to desensitize the minds of easily influenced young minds... or already deranged individuals.

We need solutions without all the liberal hand-wringing and finger pointing. I respect your concern. Hopefully, we will find bright minds to gather and come up with better ways to prevent these alarming events.

In closing, "Thank you, Brian." I could not have said it better.

All the best, ----Dave


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#1138682 - 03/15/18 08:18 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFWRPiNXOI

I indentify as a conservative democrat.

I'm usually in the middle on most issues, no exception here

Banning guns for legit people just arms the bad guys, so that's to think about

I also don't think it's such a bad idea making sure known mentally ill people should not be able to walk into a store and buy a mass deadly weapon.

#1138683 - 03/15/18 11:16 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
The NRA is a straw man scapegoat for the 2nd Amendment hating left. The 2nd amendment protects the first amendment as well as the constitution and our Republic. The founding fathers intentionally placed it in there as a last resort protection against tyranny and authoritarian rule which the left so seems to cherish with their daydreams of Marxism. Sadly all the positive things the left was once for have fallen away. Free Speech, Privacy Protection, Rule of Law, Equal Rights rather than rights and privileges based on the color of someone's skin. Now they demand segregation of some races from other races, relentlessly attack a particular race, wish to destroy free speech and replace it with hate speech laws that are ill defined only by the beholder in power who will use it to control all dissent. Question government's official stance on any issue, you are guilty of a hate crime and they are stretching to include thought crimes and attempting to use AI to predict future crimes so they can stop dissenters because they might rebel or disobey in the future.

One thing all the mass shooters have in common? None have been NRA members. Most have been leftist in nature, something never pointed out whereas the rare right wing shooters are identified and thrust out there to scare everyone of yet another straw man. Rarely do the anti 2nd amendment loudmouths ever have significant knowledge or experience with guns short of paid talking heads hired for propaganda purposes (and most of those have no clue either). There is no such thing as an assault rifle. It is a made up term. The AR does not stand for Assault Rifle and in fact was a civilian sport weapon that only later was adopted by the military. As much or more damage can be done with handguns in a mass shooting, especially if the assailant has two pistols firing at once. Automatics have long been illegal except in nearly impossible situations only affordable by the very rich (Common thugs who will break any law passed including confiscation will easily always be able to get a gun of any type they please illegally). Gun laws only affect honest law abiding people and never deter criminals. Today guns can be built in garages by people if they wish and even printed by 3d printers so eliminating them is folly without immense crushing and violent authoritarian crackdowns. It seems the left, who once stood against that sort of thing, now welcomes it.

Dumb kids brainwashed by marxist teachers and ill equipped for critical thought on any topic, are being used as useful idiots to push for more authoritarian rule and the total destruction of privacy, free speech and the remnants of the last most free nation in the world.


^^ THIS.

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#1138699 - 03/16/18 12:24 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Unfortunately the NRA has warped the meaning of the 2nd amendment so much that its hard to tell what the intent of it was. Their own offices leave out nearly half the original writing of the amendment on their lobby walls.

Beyond that, until the NRA stops playing both sides of the coin, we're never gonna solve the mess.

Side One: Fights for civil rights as they see it - lobbyists. Interested in the sale of weapons, no matter what kind - including Armalite Rifles (AR). Rhetoric content of NRATV. Guns for offense, because there's bad people with guns out there.

Side Two: Gun safety. Gun responsibility. Charitable causes. Guns for protection because there's good people out there.

The fact that so few people see how both sides are played is incredible. Its the ingenious way they wield this ability to play both sides that keeps them in business. They are a powerful lobby because of one thing: Money. They have civilian members (roughly 5 million people out some 326 million, not a big percentage) who pay money to be a part of it. They have gun manufacturers who pay as well. Its about the money. Guns are gigantic business, in the U.S. the kind of business some experts might say is too big to fail.

The brilliance in how they play both sides that get people calling each other names: gun lover, gun hater, ammosexual, right wing, left wing, marxist, liberal. Spew the name calling, its exactly how to keep the situation as is.

p.s. - anyone that believes owning an AR or military style weapon is going to protect them from the government is fooling themselves. If the government really wants to take you down, you will go down. They have people way more highly trained than you. They have way more advanced weapons than you (tanks, m4's, snipers, drones anyone? you'll never see it coming). Though you might take a couple people out before you leave this world.

p.p.s. - at this point gun ownership is no longer about being able to overtake a tyrannical government. Though some people might truly believe they can take it down themselves, its called delusional.

p.p.p.s. - My own viewpoint on all of this is that we need a well regulated system. Not the spotty system we have today. If you want to own an AR-15, good on you. But I want that thing licensed. I want you licensed. I want you held accountable for an annual revue of that license and whether you still deserve that license - like an annual background check. I want the police to know where you keep that weapon (or all your firearms for that matter). I want every gun you have licensed so that you are responsible for whatever damage it does in your hands or someone else's hands - for as long as it is licensed to you. Oh, and I want you insured for such damages - meaning you have to carry and pay for insurance for gun malfeasance for any gun you own. And I want you to be put to death if the gun you own is at all the cause of a wrongful death - especially if it causes my death. Do Not Pass Go if you printed the gun yourself. All in the name of that well regulated part of the 2nd amendment that the NRA loves to leave out of the definition and equation.

With great power comes, great responsibility.

p.p.p.p.s. - The ultimate in irony: The NRA does not allow guns in their buildings. That's funny she-it right there.

p.p.p.p.p.s. - I grew up hunting for food. I've shot military grade weapons. I have great respect for the power these weapons wield. I do not own a gun. But do want the right to own one under the terms I described, if I deemed it desirable to own one.

p.p.p.p.p.p.s. - this comes from someone who takes their privacy very serious.


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#1138718 - 03/16/18 10:56 PM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Well, I think regardless of what the views on guns are, we need protection from the people who want to use them on us

I watched my nephew in his school play, I was thinking how easy it would be for anyone to just walk in there. No security, no metal detectors, nothing but den moms collecting tickets and selling chips and soda. Those kids would have zero chance, none of us would have.

Could happen at any public event, and it's amazing to me how loose these events are. Sadly, we have to think that way, have to think defensively.

#1138768 - 03/18/18 03:35 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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I have a few things i like and don't like about the NRA.

When a crazy person shoots dozens of people with an AR, they are quick to mobilize to defend the right to own assault rifles. but if a black person gets shot by police, just because police 'THOUGHT" he had a gun, not a peep from the NRA. isn't the government killing someone because they MIGHT have an ordinary gun a bigger violation of gun rights? but not a peep from NRA. makes me wonder if NRA doesn't stand for National RACIST association.

I do appreciate that the NRA stays out of discussions about music. Especially since the NRA always frames gun legislation as an all or nothing attack on the second amendment. this is a standard debating tactic, to frame the opponents argument to the most extreme. I'm glad they don't debate music, if someone said something like
"I don't think a kazoo and washboard should be part of the orchestra"
they would respond with
"you want to take away all musical instruments!"

I like the NRA's wicked sick sense of humor. Like calling an assault rifle a 'sporting rifle' cuz like what could be more sporting than shooting 50 bullets at a deer?. aw common, lets give the deer a real sporting chance and give it a pistol and a teachers degree.

I also like their invention the bump stock bumper sticker . This is a bumper sticker that can be put on top of another bumper sticker to make it even more effective. This is their latest one.

the ability to kill lots and lots of

it doesn't seem like much, but if you combine it with an existing bumper sticker, and put an insertion mark V after "support" like below,it creates a bumper sticker that pretty much sums up what the 2nd amendment argument is all about.

(the ability to kill lots and lots of)
I support V our troops


Gee its a shame all my teachers were Marxists, or I might know how to make some money with those bump stock bumper stickers.

Lastly I think its unfair to say the NRA scares congressmen and senators. since when have politicians worried about what lobbyists think?


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#1138773 - 03/18/18 09:22 AM Re: NRA why? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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I enjoy this type of conversation and it is useful as we can learn things from each other...Dialogue is Good.


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