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#1136262 - 02/04/18 05:42 PM Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be  
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Hi, Y'all.

Been a while since I've posted here, though I have popped in to read some stuff now and again...

Since my buddy David Snyder has been causing a bit of a ruckus, I thought I'd throw something up against the wall.
This is a recent production of a song from a couple of years back..

I'll be back later to catch up on some listening to what is being posted...


FOREVER'S NOT AS LONG AS IT USED TO BE

there's a picture on the wall that still tears me apart
of you and me inside a lipstick heart
"everlasting love" - your favorite shade of red
"this means forever" - that's what you said

forever's not as long as it used to be
if it was you would still be here with me
you promised me that - i took you at your word
did it end a little early - i hadn't heard
i thought that it was farther than anyone could see
but it seems like forever's not as long
as it was to be...

it's not something that you say at the drop of a hat
"i'll love you forever" can't be taken back
you swore it was true - even crossed your heart
so tell me where does the end of forever start

repeat chorus

did enternity finally wind down
has the world simply stopped spinning around

repeat chorus


Comments welcome.
Thanks for listening.

floyd

#1136265 - 02/04/18 06:27 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Good to see and hear you back, Floyd.
Great lyric too.

Vic


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#1136268 - 02/04/18 06:48 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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This is a great song. With an even better hook.
If I was your producer, and I''m not, I would see what it sounded like without the vibrato in the voice.
It would to me be even more Alan Jackson ish an honest sounding.

I with I could mix and produce it again. There is so much good stuff in there.

I hope you don't find that too brash and pretentious.

:Ron

Last edited by RonnieDean; 02/04/18 06:49 PM.
#1136274 - 02/04/18 08:34 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Well Floyd,

Since you are a good buddy and all, I would like to tell ya about a time I tuned my guitar. I am sure you would be impressed. I tuned the bottom string to a D. No one ever thought of that before me. Then as I gazed up at the sky, it occurred to me, no one had ever ever written a song as great as me because I was the greatest. They could dream, Floyd, but they could just not be me. Because well, the entire west coast of the United States was not big enough to fill up my head.

Then, just as as soon as I had seen that my post about myself had gone on to 10 pages, I accidentally pushed the wrong button and heard this song by YOU. Of ALL PEOPLE! In my own back yard!!!!!

And I thought. Dang. Someone else in the world besides me can write a song. Only one, mind you, but at least one is one and that is too much!

Well, I do have to admit you sound like you might have spent some time in the Big Town, but this Town is only big enough for one of us Mr. Jane. So prepare to draw!!!!

Welcome to JPF Buddy!!!!!!!!!!

smile


The saloon is that way. Yeah that way.

BUT SERIOUSLY.

Good song my brother. I'll call ya tomorrow with a co-write idea. It will only be one sentence but I am sure you will have it done by the the end of the day.

Gotta run bro.


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#1136277 - 02/04/18 08:46 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Hi Floyd.

A craftsman with a shining example of your craft and a most helpful and encouraging one also.

Cheers.

#1136278 - 02/04/18 09:12 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Welcome Home, Floyd:

You've been missed. That familiar vocal worked perfectly on yet another of your super songs. Thanks for sharing and hurry back every chance you get. ----Dave

#1136288 - 02/05/18 05:21 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Hello Floyd,


Wow, that's an impressive song, good job.


Calvin



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#1136291 - 02/05/18 07:16 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Great song Floyd. I like the lyrics especially this line"
forever's not as long as it used to be"
Great stuff!
Travis


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#1136297 - 02/05/18 09:43 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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You're always good Floyd. Nice song.

smile

#1136318 - 02/05/18 11:04 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Originally Posted by Vicarn
Good to see and hear you back, Floyd.
Great lyric too.

Vic


Thank, Vic.


Originally Posted by RonnieDean
This is a great song. With an even better hook.
If I was your producer, and I''m not, I would see what it sounded like without the vibrato in the voice.
It would to me be even more Alan Jackson ish an honest sounding.

I with I could mix and produce it again. There is so much good stuff in there.

I hope you don't find that too brash and pretentious.

:Ron

Ronnie - I've not had anyone complain about "vibrato" before (or even mention for that matter). I sing how I sing - that won't change. And likely, Alan won't be singing thisone either. Sorry you don't care for the production or mix either. There are two more version of the same song at the bottom of this page
http://floydjane.com/Songs/Forever.htm
....though I sang those, too... and mixed and produced them, as well... so they may not float your boat either.
Other than that, glad you like the song.



Originally Posted by David Snyder
Well Floyd,

Since you are a good buddy and all, I would like to tell ya about a time I tuned my guitar. I am sure you would be impressed. I tuned the bottom string to a D. No one ever thought of that before me. Then as I gazed up at the sky, it occurred to me, no one had ever ever written a song as great as me because I was the greatest. They could dream, Floyd, but they could just not be me. Because well, the entire west coast of the United States was not big enough to fill up my head.

Then, just as as soon as I had seen that my post about myself had gone on to 10 pages, I accidentally pushed the wrong button and heard this song by YOU. Of ALL PEOPLE! In my own back yard!!!!!

And I thought. Dang. Someone else in the world besides me can write a song. Only one, mind you, but at least one is one and that is too much!

Well, I do have to admit you sound like you might have spent some time in the Big Town, but this Town is only big enough for one of us Mr. Jane. So prepare to draw!!!!

Welcome to JPF Buddy!!!!!!!!!!

smile


The saloon is that way. Yeah that way.

BUT SERIOUSLY.

Good song my brother. I'll call ya tomorrow with a co-write idea. It will only be one sentence but I am sure you will have it done by the the end of the day.

Gotta run bro.


Did someone say beer? Or whiskey? Set 'em up, barkeep... My guitar was in tune when I bought it. Welcome? Hey! I was here first! Later....



Originally Posted by RichMac

Hi Floyd.

A craftsman with a shining example of your craft and a most helpful and encouraging one also.

Cheers.

Thanks, Richard...appreciate it...


Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Welcome Home, Floyd:

You've been missed. That familiar vocal worked perfectly on yet another of your super songs. Thanks for sharing and hurry back every chance you get. ----Dave

Thanks, Dave... good to see you (that song of yours with Mike is awesome!)

#1136320 - 02/05/18 11:25 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Hi Floyd,

Good to see you!

And hear you.. smile

Love your voice and it's magic on this song. Very poignant, and the cleverness of the title is tempered by the humility of the singer elsewhere, making the phrase "forever's not as long as it used to be" just the singer's way of lifting himself up a little from his potential depression over his situation, by using a little sarcasm directed mostly at himself and situation. That's brilliant in setting tone, and you are a master at that.

Every line feels just right. The production is sweetly sad and perfect for the lyric.

Great work, I enjoyed this very much.

Mike

Last edited by Michael Zaneski; 02/05/18 12:16 PM.

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Fortune depends on the tone of your voice

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from the album "Casanova" (1996)
#1136377 - 02/05/18 09:28 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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This feels like it should get cut. smile

One of those lyrical hooks that make you bang your head against the wall and ask how no one came up with that before now. smile

And a lot of craft in the rest of the lyric too. Nice one, Floyd.

Scott

#1136402 - 02/06/18 07:57 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Very nice .... great lyrics and the song moves along nicely. Solid, understated production that supports the song rather than crowding.

Well done, enjoyed the listen.

Kevin

#1136434 - 02/06/18 01:56 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Floyd,

The theme here represents a more of a loss than a typical breakup song. I like that it is written from a guy’s perspective. The image of the photo in the red lipstick heart leaves a lasting impression.

The rhythm of the melody sounds natural and fits the words well. The lengthening and shortening of various words helps to tell the story. The rise and fall of the melody pitches work well to bring out important words.

The chords on the verse do a good job of building some anticipation by avoiding the D chord. Then when you hit the D chord at the beginning of the chorus, I knew we were in the main statement of the song. The faster chord movement here made for a nice contrast with the verse. I thought it was good to use these chords to setup the song in the intro.

Hanging onto the A chord as you held onto the word “long” made for a nice effect and a key point in the song. Going to the F# minor for the first time on the bridge helped to give a feeling of searching for an answer or being confused and distraught like the lyrics are saying. Good to start bringing the cello in here to help make it the high point of the song. You could maybe experiment with adding even a bit more sound somehow in this section.

I liked the length of the chorus. I found myself wanting the other sections to be a bit longer as well. However, I realize that you have to watch your total running time, depending on what your use of the song is. I could hear another phrase or two on the front side of the existing verses, perhaps with different chords but slow moving ones. In my opinion, the bridge could even be doubled in length. Or, you could even cut the second half of the second chorus and go straight into the bridge as-is.

Thanks for sharing a sensitive and expressive tune!

Maroon

#1136435 - 02/06/18 02:41 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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always a great song from you Floyd, all around good work, lyric is always impressive to me. and great vocals. Lane


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#1136441 - 02/06/18 03:40 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Ah...that old Floyd Jane magic! That first verse is killer, really pulls in the listener, and vocals and production also are excellent. Thanks for sharing. You've been missed.

Ricki

#1136451 - 02/06/18 07:30 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Hi Floyd,

What a lovely song! Your vocal has great longing in it. I like how you use the meaning of the word "forever" throughout. And this line gets me thinking: "so tell me where does the end of forever start" and also: "but it seems like forever's not as long
as it was to be..." Oh, so sad. Good music and melody to carry these thoughts to our ears. Enjoyed it!

Kristi


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#1136452 - 02/06/18 09:36 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Floyd!

About time you show your face around here. Loved this song in all respects, especially the hook line & title! But as always, your vocals always for me are your signature sound--a good thing. (Although........ I would like a littler more "vibrato" from you.......think of "cowbell," you just can't have too much of that either)!

steady-eddie

#1136462 - 02/07/18 01:44 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Floyd,

I got nothing more to offer here other than my enthusiastic support. Great vocal, nice production, stellar lyrics. “Where does the end of forever start”—killer line. I appreciate the stripped approach on production, but I think a bit more instrumentation to add depth to this might be something to consider (for example, really liked the last chorus). But I’m the last person to be chiming in on production things.

Awesome tune, Floyd. Welcome back to JPF.

All the best,

Deej

#1136487 - 02/07/18 10:12 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: kevinism]  
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Originally Posted by Calvin
Hello Floyd,


Wow, that's an impressive song, good job.


Calvin



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Thanks, Calvin!



Originally Posted by Travis david
Great song Floyd. I like the lyrics especially this line"
forever's not as long as it used to be"
Great stuff!
Travis

Appreciate that, Travis...

Originally Posted by Martin Lide
You're always good Floyd. Nice song.

smile



Thanks, Martin...


Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Hi Floyd,

Good to see you!

And hear you.. smile

Love your voice and it's magic on this song. Very poignant, and the cleverness of the title is tempered by the humility of the singer elsewhere, making the phrase "forever's not as long as it used to be" just the singer's way of lifting himself up a little from his potential depression over his situation, by using a little sarcasm directed mostly at himself and situation. That's brilliant in setting tone, and you are a master at that.

Every line feels just right. The production is sweetly sad and perfect for the lyric.

Great work, I enjoyed this very much.

Mike

Mike - coming from you, that means a lot...Thank you...


Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
This feels like it should get cut. smile

One of those lyrical hooks that make you bang your head against the wall and ask how no one came up with that before now. smile

And a lot of craft in the rest of the lyric too. Nice one, Floyd.

Scott

Scott - you gotta know how much I enjoyed THAT response.... smile



Originally Posted by kevinism
Very nice .... great lyrics and the song moves along nicely. Solid, understated production that supports the song rather than crowding.

Well done, enjoyed the listen.

Kevin

Thanks for having a listen, Kevin....

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Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
This feels like it should get cut. smile

One of those lyrical hooks that make you bang your head against the wall and ask how no one came up with that before now. smile

And a lot of craft in the rest of the lyric too. Nice one, Floyd.

Scott


I am going to just quote Scott here b/c what he said..

This made me a bit sad though. I guess there are no true promises in the here and now.

Good work.


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#1136494 - 02/07/18 11:02 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Yeah. If this is not cut (And Floyd's other stuff is good too) we're all dead and should take up "normal" hobbies.

More evidence that the "F" doesn't stand for Folks. :-)

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#1136565 - 02/08/18 12:20 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: RonnieDean]  
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Originally Posted by Maroon_Corey
Floyd,

The theme here represents a more of a loss than a typical breakup song. I like that it is written from a guy’s perspective. The image of the photo in the red lipstick heart leaves a lasting impression.

The rhythm of the melody sounds natural and fits the words well. The lengthening and shortening of various words helps to tell the story. The rise and fall of the melody pitches work well to bring out important words.

The chords on the verse do a good job of building some anticipation by avoiding the D chord. Then when you hit the D chord at the beginning of the chorus, I knew we were in the main statement of the song. The faster chord movement here made for a nice contrast with the verse. I thought it was good to use these chords to setup the song in the intro.

Hanging onto the A chord as you held onto the word “long” made for a nice effect and a key point in the song. Going to the F# minor for the first time on the bridge helped to give a feeling of searching for an answer or being confused and distraught like the lyrics are saying. Good to start bringing the cello in here to help make it the high point of the song. You could maybe experiment with adding even a bit more sound somehow in this section.

I liked the length of the chorus. I found myself wanting the other sections to be a bit longer as well. However, I realize that you have to watch your total running time, depending on what your use of the song is. I could hear another phrase or two on the front side of the existing verses, perhaps with different chords but slow moving ones. In my opinion, the bridge could even be doubled in length. Or, you could even cut the second half of the second chorus and go straight into the bridge as-is.

Thanks for sharing a sensitive and expressive tune!

Maroon


Maroon - thanks for the thoughts on what you feel works here... appreciate it. Regarding the length of verses and bridges vs. chorus - that is, of course, a personal choice and often dictated by the type music we choose to do. My main focus is often "commercial Country" (in the era when that was still viable) - and there, if you have a chorus as long as this one is, you generally need to keep the verses short to balance that. If you can say all you need to say in a short verse, than you likely have a good formula. The same holds true for a bridge. If you can state your intent in 2 lines, why try to extend that to 4? You will likely dilute your write instead of enhancing it. A less-is-more kind of thing...



Originally Posted by lane1777
always a great song from you Floyd, all around good work, lyric is always impressive to me. and great vocals. Lane

Hi, Lane - good to see you are still around... thanks for the listen...


Originally Posted by Ricki E. Bellos
Ah...that old Floyd Jane magic! That first verse is killer, really pulls in the listener, and vocals and production also are excellent. Thanks for sharing. You've been missed.

Ricki

Well, gee, Ricki - what a nice thing to say... I appreciate that...




Originally Posted by Kristi McKeever
Hi Floyd,

What a lovely song! Your vocal has great longing in it. I like how you use the meaning of the word "forever" throughout. And this line gets me thinking: "so tell me where does the end of forever start" and also: "but it seems like forever's not as long
as it was to be..." Oh, so sad. Good music and melody to carry these thoughts to our ears. Enjoyed it!

Kristi



Kristi - Thanks. If you found "sad" and "listenable" at the same time, then I'd have to say that "works"... appreciate the listen...


Originally Posted by E Swartz
Floyd!

About time you show your face around here. Loved this song in all respects, especially the hook line & title! But as always, your vocals always for me are your signature sound--a good thing. (Although........ I would like a littler more "vibrato" from you.......think of "cowbell," you just can't have too much of that either)!

steady-eddie

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Originally Posted by Deej56
Floyd,

I got nothing more to offer here other than my enthusiastic support. Great vocal, nice production, stellar lyrics. “Where does the end of forever start”—killer line. I appreciate the stripped approach on production, but I think a bit more instrumentation to add depth to this might be something to consider (for example, really liked the last chorus). But I’m the last person to be chiming in on production things.

Awesome tune, Floyd. Welcome back to JPF.

All the best,

Deej

Deej - thanks for the listen and the comments.... it is nice to be welcomed back, too...



Originally Posted by Wendy D
Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
This feels like it should get cut. smile

One of those lyrical hooks that make you bang your head against the wall and ask how no one came up with that before now. smile

And a lot of craft in the rest of the lyric too. Nice one, Floyd.

Scott


I am going to just quote Scott here b/c what he said..

This made me a bit sad though. I guess there are no true promises in the here and now.

Good work.

Wendy - I do appreciate that (your song always make me "sit up and take notice"")...


Originally Posted by RonnieDean
Yeah. If this is not cut (And Floyd's other stuff is good too) we're all dead and should take up "normal" hobbies.

More evidence that the "F" doesn't stand for Folks. :-)

Ronnie - thanks for dropping back by...(and the nice comment). Getting cuts is a very "complex" formula. Marc generally covers the subject very well. It is very difficult to understand the "whole story" unless you have spent time (considerable time, actually) in Nashville and are able to "get in" to the "guts" of what is happening. The 90's and early 2000's were THE best time to do that and that "model" might very well be gone forever.

#1136688 - 02/10/18 12:23 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Back by popular demand... Our Man Flint... I mean... Our Man Floyd.

Still got that smooth distinctive voice.
The hand percussion is a nice touch.

The vocal harmonies are on point and overall sentiment here is beautiful.

Nicely done Floyd.

#1136713 - 02/10/18 03:16 PM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Hey Floyd,Good to hear ya again.What a fantastic hook.I enjoyed this one a bunch. Mike

#1137146 - 02/14/18 10:14 AM Re: Forever's Not As Long As It Used To Be [Re: floyd jane]  
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Impeccable mr jane.

Worthy of many listens and broad attention.

J&B


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