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#1134983 - 01/14/18 09:58 AM Outside Cleveland  
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Good morning JPFers all over the place! I've been re-visiting old songs lately, discarding some, re-doing others. This one though is almost like new, just last year. I sent my guitar/vocal to Mike Z and he waved his wand, said a few magic words and...well, have a listen. I hesitate to say it's a done deal and I won't change it no matter what, because I'm not opposed to tweaking things if I think it's valid. I really do want to hear what you folks FEEL when you listen to the song. If you feel nothing, I need to hear that too. As always, I'm not looking for commercial radio airplay, just trying to tell interesting stories that some people may want to listen to. So, bring it on and thanks for listening.

Ricki

https://soundcloud.com/rickib/outside-cleveland

OUTSIDE CLEVELAND

I left some things outside Cleveland
Heart and soul, now Iíve trouble feeling
I dream in shades of grey
Hear all those words unsaid
And there they are again
Where I left them
Waiting outside Cleveland

I know Iíll be OK
Iíll forget to remember him everyday
For now, itís no use
But when the tether on my heart cuts loose
Itíll be like nothing happened
Just outside Cleveland

I left those things just outside Cleveland
Iíd like them back cause now I need them
Iím stronger for their loss
Thereíre lighter days ahead
Iíve opened up to hope
The spellís weakened
Fading outside Cleveland

I know Iíll be OK
Iíll forget to remember him everyday
For now, itís no use
But when the tether on my heart cuts loose
Youíll see, itíll be like nothing happened
Over there, somewhere, just outside Cleveland

Outside Cleveland
Outside Cleveland
Outside Cleveland

©Ricki E. Bellos (BMI)

#1134986 - 01/14/18 10:52 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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The vibe and lyric work.

the last line of each verse could be simplified to
Outside of Cleveland

Also the first line of v1 and v3 should be the same to make the melody more consistent...JMHO

#1134988 - 01/14/18 11:03 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Hi Ricki.

I really like the vibe of this song. What a cool title too, just one of those words (Cleveland) that phonetically sounds cool with music and verse.

I just have one thought "for me/my reaction." Because there are a lot of Cleveland's in the song, I'd like to see you re-visit 3rd verse, 1st line. I'd like to "not" hear Cleveland again at the end of the line--just let the 1st verse have that double emphasis and ending tag. You might start that line out saying similarly, "Those things I left _________________" You would also avoid using so many "I" at sentence beginnings by changing that one line--whatever you say there could add to story or drama, and we'll know it has to do with outside those days back in Cleveland. Use or lose.

Loved this guys, nice write, nice production concept Michael Z. Enjoyed this!

steady-eddie

#1134990 - 01/14/18 11:47 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Hello Ricki,


Good job, you sound nice !


Calvin


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#1134991 - 01/14/18 11:51 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Hypnotic.........
In a Steely Dan... Muscle Shoals..... Carly Simon type a way.

Wonderful work guys

Ricki are U recording to a metronome because everything Mike's adding is always right in the pocket, timing wise.

You 2 are like a finely tuned piece of machinery.


"Dig my imaginary...... Baaand Maaan"
#1135006 - 01/14/18 05:18 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Neil Cotton]  
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Neil. I could simplify those lines but felt it was worth adding the "waiting" and "fading" in order to show some story movement, from V1, being stuck thinking about the past, and then V2, trying to move on. I started out with the title, the opening and closing lines of the verses plus the closing of the choruses all the some but it felt boring and emotionless to me. Since I'm not concerned about commercial value, I thought I'd change it up where I could and since I'm the one singing, I don't really mind that it's a little inconsistent. Thanks for your thoughts, and for taking time to listen.

Ricki

#1135007 - 01/14/18 05:24 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: E Swartz]  
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Well, that's something to think about, Eddie. I didn't want all those "outside Cleveland" phrases to be the same but it never occurred to me to leave one out...hmmmmm... Thanks for listening and glad you liked it and Mike's vision. I swear, he can read minds! smile

Ricki

#1135008 - 01/14/18 05:25 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Calvin]  
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Thanks, Calvin, I had a lot of help.

Ricki

#1135009 - 01/14/18 05:32 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Nelson]  
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Thanks, Mr. Nelson. I don't think I've ever heard Steely Dan, Muscle Shoals and Carly Simon mentioned in the same sentence, let alone in reference to me! grin

Most definitely a click track. I have the natural timing of a slug so there would be no practical way for anyone, myself included, to add any more tracks to my guitar or vocal track without it. I mistakenly thought a click track would throw off my sense of timing when, in reality, I didn't have any and it forced me to Be in time. I swear by it.

Ricki

#1135017 - 01/14/18 10:16 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Nice blend of styles on this ballad.

The performance, and arrangement are solid. The mix is good but not great.

Mixwise:
1. The vocals are overpowering the song; they need to come down a bit. They sound "big" - they don't need to be overly loud.
2. I love the reverb you used, Mike, but it needs to be a bit more subtle.
3. The overall mix is a bit wishy-washy. The song has a tendency to get lost in the "room." More automation to bring out some of the quiet elements from time to time to make the mix more dynamic would be great as well.

It sounds good now. With a bit more clarity, and punch in the mix it will sound great.

Peace,
TC


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#1135024 - 01/14/18 11:24 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Ricki,

This is a beautiful tune. I don't have a fine enough ear to comment on production--but it sure sounds fine to me as is. I'm mixed regarding Neil's comment about dropping the "waiting", "just" and "fading" before "outside Cleveland." A part of me wants to drop it from a structural perspective--to keep it uniformly just "outside Cleveland" gives it some symmetry. But then I like the extra syllables on a few of the lines. So, go with what feels good. Or better yet, go with what sounds good. And this is sounding pretty awesome to me. Great job!

All the best,

Deej

#1135031 - 01/15/18 12:34 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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How it makes me FEEL?...
It felt dreamy and there was a longing throughout the song.
The opening line made me want to listen more, to see what you had left outside Cleveland.
I like it Ricki!
Nice job!!!
-Paul

#1135034 - 01/15/18 12:53 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Thanks Neil, Eddie, Nelson, Calvin, TC, Paul, and Deej..

This was a fun project in that once I composited the pedal steel together, I had a clear vision of what I wanted for this beautifully sad song of Ricki's. The only other thing I had to do was stay mindful to NOT use a series of Bob Seger notes on the lead guitar on the tag lines. wink

TC, would you mind, in the future, if you are going to make so many nits, adding somewhere in comments to ME (in some shape or form) that you are just expressing your opinion, please? It's not a big deal, but I'd appreciate it--because to a great extent these things are subjective and you ask a hundred people and they will have varying opinions..okay? Thanks..

As to the vocal volume, for the first few notes I feel Ricki's vocals are too loud as well, only once the song's rolling I like them where they are. And in retrospect, like how they "announce themselves" so brashely. BTW, I use lots of automated faders on everything.

I have to keep in mind two things in regards this. The one thing folks say consistently about your songs is that your vocals could be LOUDER, so maybe we just have a difference of opinion about where vocals generally should sit in a mix. That, and Ricki generally likes her vocals clearly above the music, and on this particular song, I really liked them there, towering above and "outside" it, as it were..

Once I got the pedal steel composited, I realized that this was beginning to sound like something off The Cowboy Junkie's "Trinity Sessions" album, and I made that the template for this song. I said as much to Ricki. That album polarized critics, btw. Some, including a few folks here, site it as a great recording. Others think there's far too much of a big reverb on everything and bleed through between instruments. Well, it was recorded "live" in a big church...so it goes, lol.. The extra reverb and slight washiness was indeed intentional on this particular song.

But because it was intentional doesn't mean you should have different feelings about it; I respect that you don't like the mix. But it works for me. Symbollically, it's like Ricki's voice is the " I " of "I left..outside Cleveland" and the music is Cleveland, and it's all a little bit of a blur when the view is outside, from a distance, looking in..so the mix, to me, kind of organically symbolizes the mood and meaning of the lyric. I mean..there are always lots of subjective reasons, in hindsite, why we like (or dislike) how something works, when inititally this is not the case--we just like it or we don't.

My feelings are that everything I produce surprised me a little, cuz I have learned to "go with" whatever project I am working on and let me take it where it wants to go. Do I always take them to safe places where there will be unanymous praise? Of course not. That is the devil that kills creativity: worrying about pleasing everyone. The only person I was aiming to please here, other (and more) than myself, was Ricki, and again, she knows that I am always open to changing anything, any time, and happily so. And I do make judgemental errors, but I listened to this mix a few dozen times and liked it this way, and yes, I can become earblind and not hear problems in mixes, so I appreciate your opinion.

Mike

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#1135056 - 01/15/18 08:21 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: TC Perkins]  
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I think Mike addressed your production comments, TC. I pretty much leave that side of it in his very capable hands. I trust his judgment and he's never steered me wrong. But thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts.

Ricki

#1135057 - 01/15/18 08:23 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Deej56]  
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Thanks Deej, going with what feels and sounds good usually works for me. Glad you liked it.

Ricki

#1135058 - 01/15/18 08:25 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Paul Churchfield]  
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Thanks for stopping by, Paul. Glad this made you feel something. That's what it's all about, right? smile

Ricki

#1135059 - 01/15/18 08:30 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Thanks again, Mike for doing what you do.

Ricki

#1135075 - 01/15/18 10:44 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Thanks Neil, Eddie, Nelson, Calvin, TC, Paul, and Deej..

This was a fun project in that once I composited the pedal steel together, I had a clear vision of what I wanted for this beautifully sad song of Ricki's. The only other thing I had to do was stay mindful to NOT use a series of Bob Seger notes on the lead guitar on the tag lines. wink

TC, would you mind, in the future, if you are going to make so many nits, adding somewhere in comments to ME (in some shape or form) that you are just expressing your opinion, please? It's not a big deal, but I'd appreciate it--because to a great extent these things are subjective and you ask a hundred people and they will have varying opinions..okay? Thanks..

As to the vocal volume, for the first few notes I feel Ricki's vocals are too loud as well, only once the song's rolling I like them where they are. And in retrospect, like how they "announce themselves" so brashely. BTW, I use lots of automated faders on everything.

I have to keep in mind two things in regards this. The one thing folks say consistently about your songs is that your vocals could be LOUDER, so maybe we just have a difference of opinion about where vocals generally should sit in a mix. That, and Ricki generally likes her vocals clearly above the music, and on this particular song, I really liked them there, towering above and "outside" it, as it were..

Once I got the pedal steel composited, I realized that this was beginning to sound like something off The Cowboy Junkie's "Trinity Sessions" album, and I made that the template for this song. I said as much to Ricki. That album polarized critics, btw. Some, including a few folks here, site it as a great recording. Others think there's far too much of a big reverb on everything and bleed through between instruments. Well, it was recorded "live" in a big church...so it goes, lol.. The extra reverb and slight washiness was indeed intentional on this particular song.

But because it was intentional doesn't mean you should have different feelings about it; I respect that you don't like the mix. But it works for me. Symbollically, it's like Ricki's voice is the " I " of "I left..outside Cleveland" and the music is Cleveland, and it's all a little bit of a blur when the view is outside, from a distance, looking in..so the mix, to me, kind of organically symbolizes the mood and meaning of the lyric. I mean..there are always lots of subjective reasons, in hindsite, why we like (or dislike) how something works, when inititally this is not the case--we just like it or we don't.

My feelings are that everything I produce surprised me a little, cuz I have learned to "go with" whatever project I am working on and let me take it where it wants to go. Do I always take them to safe places where there will be unanymous praise? Of course not. That is the devil that kills creativity: worrying about pleasing everyone. The only person I was aiming to please here, other (and more) than myself, was Ricki, and again, she knows that I am always open to changing anything, any time, and happily so. And I do make judgemental errors, but I listened to this mix a few dozen times and liked it this way, and yes, I can become earblind and not hear problems in mixes, so I appreciate your opinion.

Mike


I said I liked the song and it sounded good. All of your mixes are good, I just didn't feel like this was as good as the last couple I have commented on. Of course, this is my opinion; that goes without saying. This IS the MP3 Feedback Page so I am going to give an honest critique to anyone who posts here. You are free to consider what I say or throw it out, that is up to you. You always do a good job but the scale slides, my friend, and I am going to give it to you straight. I want the same from you when you listen to my tunes - don't hold back.

I know everyone wants my vocals louder, lol, and I do listen but I am going to stick to my guns just like I would expect you as an artist and producer to do. A difference of opinion? You betcha. That being said, I still want the feedback, and it does influence me when I go to mix. If someone takes the time to go into detail on how I can improve a song or a mix, that is gold, and exactly why I post stuff in this section. Sometimes I will make changes, and other times I will hold fast. One thing I never do is get mad. I have gotten some really good advice posting stuff, and have made changes based on comments people have made. In fact, I specifically have made changes based on comments from you and Ricki.

Is this good? Hell yeah, it's good. I just think it could be great. If I didn't think you had the chops to improve it beyond where it is, I wouldn't bother with pointing out what I hear. It is in no way an indictment of your skills which are top notch! If Ricki is 100% happy, that is great and THE most important thing but that is not going to stop me from doing an actual critique :-p

Peace,
TC


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You can hear my tunes at https://soundcloud.com/tc-gypsy
#1135077 - 01/16/18 01:09 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: TC Perkins]  
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Hi TC,

I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I "got mad" cuz I wasn't mad at all! I rarely get angry when it comes to artistic decisions and opinions. Life is too short! I do try to listen to what my colleagues have to say and have made many changes to songs based on those thoughts, but I'm not perfect and I can certainly be stubborn.

But I do think I owe you an apology because I was so interested in explaining why I made my production decisions that I made you think I wasn't receptive to your ideas at all. Far to the contrary, I respect you and your opinion, TC, and I listen carefully to eveything you say. One might even say I mull what you say over and over in my mind, cuz I really do value your opinion. If I'm gonna give you a bunch of reasons why I did what I did, that shouldn't stop me from making sure you know that of course I hear what you are saying and value it, and so I apologize for giving you the wrong impression by just saying that "I appeciate your opinion" and "I respect that you don't like the mix" but went no further. smile

As to "You always do a good job but the scale slides, my friend, and I am going to give it to you straight. I want the same from you when you listen to my tunes - don't hold back." well thanks, but I will need to figure out why that gives me a sense of impending doom, LOL.. For one, I feel awful cuz I can't critique you back in the same "in depth" way cuz I am listening for pleasure, lately, when I come here, and so really couldn't return the favor, though I know you'd like that--so I am sorry for that, too. But critique away, and don't worry cuz I will either agree with you, or disagree and then give you ten boring reasons why I did what I did--sticking to my guns, as it were..and I'll try to remember that to you "just my opinion" goes without saying and that you mean that even though you don't say it, though I admit it was good (for me) to hear you say it.

Are we good? I hope so!

Sincerly,

Mike




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#1135082 - 01/16/18 08:58 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Pretty Song folks. smile

#1135083 - 01/16/18 09:09 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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I'm not sure what happened here with TC and Mike.....I used to sing and record others songs and sometimes take a lyric, find a melody and record it. BUT it was sometimes a real pain. I agree Mike that I mostly share my songs here for fun. I critique others very much unless they ask my opinion. I'm not really looking for critiques on my songs because it is so subjective. I do what I do because that is what I do. I never go back and re record as I just move on to the next song. SO quit fighting ...lol

#1135120 - 01/16/18 08:22 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Thanks Martin, for listening and letting us know you liked it.

Ricki

#1135121 - 01/16/18 08:26 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Barry David Butler (D)]  
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Thanks for joining in, Barry, although you never said what you thought about the song. smile

Songwriting for me is an ongoing learning experience and I'm always open to helpful comments that may help me become a better writer. That's why I post songs. To share what I've done and to get better at it. But maybe that's just me.

Ricki

#1135124 - 01/16/18 10:34 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Barry David Butler (D)]  
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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
I'm not sure what happened here with TC and Mike.....I used to sing and record others songs and sometimes take a lyric, find a melody and record it. BUT it was sometimes a real pain. I agree Mike that I mostly share my songs here for fun. I critique others very much unless they ask my opinion. I'm not really looking for critiques on my songs because it is so subjective. I do what I do because that is what I do. I never go back and re record as I just move on to the next song. SO quit fighting ...lol


Hi Barry,

I really appreciate your concern for me and TC and have a feeling we will work things out, if we haven't already, but I wanted to make sure you understand that I personally am happy to have critical thought directed my way, for the same reasons TC and Ricki have already mentioned. It's free advice from knowledgeable, helpful, like-minded people, and I want to continue to learn and grow at my craft and as an artist, and there's no way to do that with a closed mind. Though I believe we should all be our own toughest critics, it's important to be able to hear what our colleages have to say, and to at least be able to entertain POVs other than our own. It keeps us grounded, I think.

I think you were referring to what I said to TC, that I am not able to critique him or my colleages very deeply right now, at the present time, and when I have been listening to JPFers' work lately it's been with no sharp critical ear, but just for enjoyment. This is hopefully only temporary. It has to do with how much free time I have and stress levels and things like that. Sometimes we just need a break, you know?

Mike

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#1135127 - 01/17/18 08:09 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Hi Ricki.
I like the non regimented lyric. The song sort of floats along nicely and we can imagine more than it actually says.

Arrangement wise it's a fine job by Mike.
The only nit I have is that there seems to be some sort of artefact in the music which may be some sort of delay effect on the drums. Not sure.
To me it's distracting.

All in all it's a good song.

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#1135156 - 01/17/18 07:55 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Hi Ricki:

I always enjoy the honesty of your vocal and "Outside Cleveland" really shines for me. Once again, Mike's magic works well... but then, I don't believe I heard "OC" before he stirred the stew. LOL!

No nits from me... nothing but solid enjoyment. I've been to Cleveland, B-T-W... on my way to Ravanna back in the day of the Military Industrial Complex. Great place in the summer... not so much in the winter.

Thanks for sharing. I wonder what Janis Joplin would have done with this? Probably nothing as good as Ricki and Mike. ----Dave

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#1135165 - 01/18/18 09:34 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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I felt something when I listened to this song because a woman I know just lost her husband outside Cleveland.

As for suggestions, I understand you don't want to change anything and I haven't read the other comments, but for what it's worth.....

The second line of V2 needs a trim. "I won't remember him every day"?

But in my head, the last line of each verse needs to resolve to the 1 chord. The tension set up never gets resolved and leaves me hanging. I might even suggest adding another line to each verse, repeating the hook and resolving to the root chord at the end.

I know this requires a major revision and I won't be offended if you don't want to mess with it!


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#1135192 - 01/18/18 04:47 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Thanks Vic, Colin, and Dave..

I appreciate your kind words, folks. I love this song and told Ricki it sounded to me like a "rainy day hit."

Vic, I used two different drum kits--one panned left, another right. Left had some gated snares and the like, and the right channel cymbals were lending some high frequency sustains to the mix. Maybe it's the lefty gates or the righty cymbals, or combination thereof you're hearing. Cymbal decay can be rather artifactual..that can't be a word..but artificial is wrong too..we'll stick with artifactual, lol..but I can't hear anything like what you're describing.

Thanks again,

Mike

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#1135198 - 01/18/18 08:08 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Vicarn]  
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Thanks for tuning in, Vic and letting me know you liked the song.

Ricki

#1135202 - 01/18/18 08:39 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Colin Ward]  
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Thanks for listening and for your thoughts, Colin. Sorry to hear about your friend's loss. What are the odds?

The line you refer to is actually in the chorus, where I alternate from a short line to long to short to long. It was on purpose, in an effort to introduce a little texture and variety, trying to keep from boring myself. smile Also, there was just something about the phrase "forget to remember" that has been with me for a long time and I was finally able to utilize it in this song. That's not likely to change.

Unresolved tension...kinda goes along with the song, and it does get resolved in the end, right? It's not so much that it would be a major revision to change as that I don't hear it as a bad thing. It took a lot of effort to stumble upon that chord progression totally by accident! smile

Ricki

#1135741 - 01/28/18 01:24 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Really digging this...

Cool melody and chord progression - challenging. In that it can be listened to a number of times and still sound fresh. Yet the melody of the title line is still playing in my head. smile

And the vibe, as Nelson said, is hypnotic.

Personally, I liked the vocal out front. And the reverb helped give it the hypnotic feel.

Scott

#1135760 - 01/28/18 11:57 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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"The desert's quiet and Cleveland's cold, so the story ends were told.." Ok - I know I'm kind of nutty but how cool would it be if you tweaked this just a bit and added a subtle nod to Pancho and Lefty somehow?

It's very pretty as is. And I liked the dreamy vibe. Just had this idea..


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#1135966 - 01/31/18 10:31 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Dave and glad you enjoyed it. I never thought about it...what would Janis do...maybe after a couple bottles of Southern Comfort I'd know... smile

Ricki

#1135968 - 01/31/18 10:35 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Scott Campbell]  
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Hypnotic, eh Scott? You are getting very, very sleepy...you will be hearing this melody in your head over...and over...and over... grin Glad you could dig what we did here. Thanks for listening.

Ricki

#1135970 - 01/31/18 10:40 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Wendy D]  
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Wendy, that could be the start of your next song! smile Thanks for stopping by and getting tangled up in our dreamy vibe.

Ricki

#1135989 - 01/31/18 02:54 PM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Ricki and MikeZ always good music, always like stopping and giving your songs a spin Ricki. Lane


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Thanks for stopping by, Lane and glad you liked it. X2! smile

Ricki

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Thanks Lane, Scott, and Wendy..

I appreciate your kind words.

Wendy..your comment made me smile, cuz I was fashioning the sound of this song after "The Cowboy Junkies" who's favorite writer is Townes..

Thanks again, all.. smile

Mike

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#1136242 - 02/04/18 10:04 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Hi Ricki,

You asked what we feel when listening to the song. I get a mix of emotion really...lol....gentle reflection, a bit of sadness, regret, but this personís strength is present as well. I think itís a relatable and universal theme. Here itís personalized to ďoutside ClevelandĒ which makes it a ďrealĒ story. Lovely flowing production by Mike. Very pretty vocal and song.

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#1136304 - 02/05/18 09:11 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Ricki/Mike...

This has a very "personal" feel to it (as so many or your songs do). Like listening to Janis Ian (I think).

A song that really "makes you think"... a good thing.

fj

#1136411 - 02/06/18 09:48 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Irwin]  
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So glad you felt something, Irwin and that you enjoyed the feeling.

Ricki

#1136413 - 02/06/18 09:50 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Kristi McKeever]  
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Thanks Kristi, mixed emotions make up a lot of what happens in our heads everyday so, I'm glad I could touch that in you.

Ricki

#1136414 - 02/06/18 09:56 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: floyd jane]  
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Good to have you posting again, Floyd and thanks for listening. Mentioning Janis gave me goosebumps...At 17 was the story of my teenage life. smile

Ricki

#1136861 - 02/12/18 12:58 AM Re: Outside Cleveland [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Good song. I love the way you end "Cleveland" on an upnote. Very surprising the first time I heard it and then it feels totally natural afterwards - nice! I must say, I did wonder about "what" exactly was left outside Cleveland - was it "words unsaid"? and why would she want them back now? - but that's not too important. I wouldn't' want it as blatant as "I left my heart in SF".

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Thanks for tuning in, Ant. Your question is answered in the second line...heart and soul. Why she wants them back I think is self-explanatory or maybe it wasn't as blatant as I thought...? smile

Ricki

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Doh! That's so obvious now, not sure why it didn't connect for me.


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I got the feelings of nostalgia and melancholy, but the latter is more remembered than current. And in parts, hopeful.

I like the slow pace, gives it a dreamy feeling. The more crowded lines like:
Iíll forget to remember him everyday; and especially
But when the tether on my heart cuts loose
broke that feeling for me somewhat and seemed out of sync with the rest of the song.

Love the melody, and the instrumententation suit the song beautifully.

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Obviously I'm a late comer to this one. I like the way it goes back and forth between at first her trying to convince herself that she will get over the guy and things will be alright--then says things like I'd like them back cause now I need them. Great lyrics and the melody matches perfectly. Vocals are great as well. Keep up the greta work,
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