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#1137656 - 02/22/18 09:20 PM Re: NSAI Online Pitch [Re: RonnieDean]  
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I thought Gibson was a fact of life. <facepalm>

#1137688 - 02/23/18 10:39 AM Re: NSAI Online Pitch [Re: RonnieDean]  
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That is so sad. I love the Guitar Center--and guitars.

But I can't say I didn't see this coming. There seem to be two intersecting phenomena here:

1.) So many people want everything for free these days.

2.) So few people want to actually sit down and practice and learn how to play something.

Long ago, I just stopped getting into debates on forums or elsewhere about the state of music today because everybody would always say "No you sound just like those cranky old parents back in the day of Elvis, or Led Zeppelin, or The Who, Or Guns ' N Roses, or Metallica....or....."

No....because Slash could still PLAY. I will go to my grave saying pushing buttons on a box and making noise and singing pornographic lyrics over top of the sound of someone banging a garbage can lid is not "music" as I understand the concept (though maybe you can say "artistic noise"???) but no one seems to want to hear that, and I'll get a long lecture about the "evolution of music" every time I do, so I just gave up.

I do think it is sad, though, that when you talk to a kid and say "Man, this guitar will sound really great in your hands one day but you are going to have to sit in your room and practice every day" so many say "Man, that's too much work."

And then, Ronnie, as you say they go back to their phones.

I know I sound like grandpa, but back when I was a kid...."Eh....where's those prunes...eh..."....and you wanted to play guitar hero, you plugged your Flying V into a Marshall Stack in the garage and played until the cops showed up, or your Dad walked in and yelled :"If you don't turn down that &*(&(&&& guitar I'm gonna break it!!"

God I miss those days.

But maybe we did sound like a garbage can lid after all.


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#1137690 - 02/23/18 10:52 AM Re: NSAI Online Pitch [Re: RonnieDean]  
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My dad used to periodically take my older brother's little VOX amp and put it in the garage attic to get some peace and quiet. He was playing all that early Beatles noise ya know. Kids may be useless to society and may have ruined industries, but they are quieter. So that's good.

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#1137702 - 02/23/18 03:54 PM Re: NSAI Online Pitch [Re: RonnieDean]  
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Forever the optimist Ronnie!!

I just read a long article by a psychologist who said just want you said--but she added that the "quietness" you speak of (and staying in my room all day with Facebook not talking to people) is a mixture of anti-social conflict avoidance maladaptive borderline adjustment disorientation narcissistic entitlement cluster syndrome, or something like that.

But the way she put it, quiet didn't sound good.

It sounded like we needed to drag that Vox back out of the attic and make some noise like real kids.


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#1140285 - 04/26/18 02:53 PM Re: NSAI Online Pitch [Re: RonnieDean]  
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Interesting seeing how NSAI and the industry itself has evolved in the years of my absence. I lived in Nashville for a year back in 2006 (I think). I went the publisher night once and was so excited. There was a table with three pros sitting behind it and a wicker basket sitting on the table. Any member present could just toss a tape (yes, demos were all done on cassettes back then) into the basket to be listened to and critiqued. The exciting part? If they liked it, a writer could get his/her lucky break!

I soon realized how come it is so difficult to become a pro songwriter. The first song listened to was titled "Love at first bite. I sure loved your fried chicken." Things didn't progress much more from that the rest of the evening.

Upon coming back to Texas I actually joined NSAI but the process for publisher night was quite a bit different. You sent in your tape, a pro listened and recorded his/her critique on the flip side and sent it back. If they liked your song they could send it to group where it had to get a majority vote to make it into the fabled wicker basket on publisher night.

I received a phone call from the then director of NSAI a couple of months later. I can't remember his name. I think it was Jewish. Anyway, he apologized for the length of time it was taking to get my critique back. Apparently that month there were over 350 out of state submissions. He called to tell me that none of them went to publisher night (lol) but out of 350, 10 went to group but mine was the only song to get 4 votes. Whoopee! Because of this he critiqued the song himself and sent it back. Other than having a very generic melody he did say on his critique that if this was indicative of my writing, I should be in Nashville. I still have that tape somewhere.....

#1140369 - 04/29/18 07:59 PM Re: NSAI Online Pitch [Re: RonnieDean]  
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I used to be one of those guys sitting behind the desk pulling songs from the basket. The problem with everything is the increase in how many people are trying to do that. If you talked to the director, that was Bart Harbison, who has been the director for over 20 years. you might have gotten an evaluator with that message. Again. often that was me. If your song was picked among 350 that night, that was pretty good, but now they get that around each day.

We used to do all of that on submissions, now most is done online. Of course, the people coming in that night (Thursday) for the pitch to publisher night are going to get presidence. The entire thing about today's music industry is the volume. There are around 30-60 million writer/artists now with approx. 1 billion songs a month going up on the Internet. When you think about how many songs, how many writers, it is difficult to see how many can make their way through. It is why for the most part, NSAI is a good sounding board, but can only do so much. Most people have to be here for many years to get any type of inroads at all. NSAI can be helpful in all that.

But the reality is that you have to be here interacting with people, working continually, breaking into the social and networking groups. And while not everyone LIVES here, many make multiple trips continually and all will have to make their own connections. And that takes being on the ground. I hope your NSAI experience helped you along in your writing. That is really the benefit. Getting feedback, having a place to start from. Most people outside the NSAI world don't have that.


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