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#1134319 - 01/02/18 07:34 PM Re: John Lennon [Re: Jim Colyer]  
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I still have a couple of Beatles songbooks from the early 60's. I drug them out hoping that the pages wouldn't fall apart. How in the hell did they come up with those guitar chords? So hard to play. Not the standard DCG songs.

#1134696 - 01/08/18 01:17 PM Re: John Lennon [Re: Jim Colyer]  
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I think Paul, having a more rounded musical knowledge from his father's music, probably tried moving his fingers around on the piano and guitar, searching for the dim,aug, 6th's, 9th's etc. He and maybe John and George were also trying to play. Maybe they heard such chords before in big band songs or whatever classical music they might have heard, then being creative with their songs after the first few or so, simply searched using their fingers, or were showed. I bet they HEARD sounds to play, then had to figure out HOW to to play them.

Either or any way they did it, it all sure made for a lot of unique pop/rock songs! Plus, Lennon's timing changes in some songs! Very cool and unique

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#1134709 - 01/08/18 04:49 PM Re: John Lennon [Re: ben willis]  
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Ben, my experience with most of those old chord books is that they were usually dead wrong. Some piano playing music theory people created those crazy guitar chord pictures, and most of the time they were never even close to the real guitar parts being played by the Beatles. Usually adapted to a piano friendly key or something, or ignoring the use of a capo, etc. Most of the Beatles chords ever written are easy to play with a little practice, even all those diminished and augmented "jazz" chords...to me, they were always playable. It was those tortured chord book figures that were bloody impossible for a guitar player to play.

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Yes Mark, I've been told similar things about the old songbooks. Not always The Beatles books. How's a poor zit faced kid going to learn a song before The Internet came around. Boy we had it rough in the 70's, working as a dishwasher and spending my money on songbooks and records. They must be obsolete by now.

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Yeah, guitar song books would have something like a bm17thaugminitruck chord for kids to stumble over trying to play Louie Louie.

Certainly wasn't geared for our advancement into the wonderful world of a pop music superstar.

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On the plus side of those books - you got really good at playing very difficult chord fingerings and if all else failed you learned about intervals - lol

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Sometimes a bands name gives you a hint of how good they are or how good they will become. You could have never thought a stupid name like The Beatles would become world renowned.

It's almost as if the name Beatles, has its own definition, it's not an insect, it's one of the greatest rock/pop bands of all time. You instantly think of the band when you hear the word. Those poor insects never get any love

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@ the music books. Don't forget guitars are very versatile.myou can tune a guitar to play exotic chords, without doing much to play them.

In studios they also play half a chord in one track, play the rest of it on the other, or add extra notes to a chord that you couldn't possibly play. That's why many bands sound better in the studio than live, you couldn't pay enough guitar players to perform with you to do all that stuff.

The studio might enhance creativity, but doesn't do your musicianship a lot of favors.

Even simple chords like eflat triad in standard pos, with a b flat in the bass, try switching that around three times fast.

I agree songbooks are wrong most of the time, they are sometimes trying to simulate what they hear on the record, which good luck with that.

Trying to give one chord that will work on all instruments, which not everybody plays the same chords in groups.


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