Who's Online Now
20 registered members (Dave Rice, couchgrouch, Gavin Sinclair, 9ne, Fdemetrio, Douglas Murphy, Colin Ward, 4 invisible), and 276 guests, and
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Member Spotlight
MidniteBob
MidniteBob
Raleigh, ya'll
Posts: 2,706
Joined: January 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
What's Going On
So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage?
by Gavin Sinclair. 07/20/18 06:54 PM
Hometown Refugee
by Michael LeBlanc. 07/20/18 06:24 PM
One More Chance
by Michael LeBlanc. 07/20/18 06:21 PM
Miracle Pill
by Dave Rice. 07/20/18 12:39 PM
How To Cover A Dylan Song
by Sue Rarick. 07/20/18 12:06 PM
Stock Footage
by Sue Rarick. 07/20/18 12:02 PM
Rocked to the Bones
by Travis david. 07/20/18 05:46 AM
Wounds that Time Won't Heal
by Travis david. 07/20/18 05:45 AM
Turning 60
by mikegouthro. 07/19/18 07:26 PM
Five Hundred Miles [Cover]
by Douglas Murphy. 07/19/18 07:17 PM
I Can't Stand Still
by 9ne. 07/19/18 03:14 PM
top ten songwriters of the last fifty years.
by beechnut79. 07/19/18 01:21 PM
Race to the Bottom
by Gavin Sinclair. 07/19/18 12:40 PM
My Name Is Death
by Calvin. 07/19/18 12:40 PM
Been on My Mind Too Long
by beechnut79. 07/19/18 11:58 AM
Yes I really do care
by beechnut79. 07/19/18 11:56 AM
Grace, Healing, Wonder and Love
by beechnut79. 07/19/18 11:52 AM
Throw Another Brick On Me
by beechnut79. 07/19/18 11:50 AM
Chatham NYer Just won GRAND PRIZE on OurStage!
by winfilm. 07/19/18 09:07 AM
Can't Love No-One But Her
by Gavin Sinclair. 07/18/18 07:45 PM
Letters From Alcatraz
by couchgrouch. 07/18/18 07:42 PM
I Remember Autumn
by Douglas Murphy. 07/18/18 07:22 PM
Many Years Ago
by Douglas Murphy. 07/18/18 07:16 PM
How Many Writers Do You Need...AND why
by Martin Lide. 07/18/18 05:24 PM
new digital single-"Holiday"
by markus-ky. 07/18/18 03:12 PM
Dancing Horses 2
by lane1777. 07/18/18 11:52 AM
Smoke And Mirrors
by Gavin Sinclair. 07/18/18 11:24 AM
Far From My One True Love
by Ricki E. Bellos. 07/18/18 09:08 AM
Last Place I Looked
by Michael LeBlanc. 07/17/18 11:40 AM
An Innocent Man
by RainyDayMan. 07/16/18 06:18 PM
Top Posters(All Time)
Calvin 19,524
Travis david 10,936
Kevin Emmrich 10,539
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,571
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 8,835
glynda 8,574
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
Colin Ward 7,893
Corey 7,357
couchgrouch 7,327
Dave Rice 6,741
Wyman Lloyd 6,578
Mark Kaufman 6,434
Joe Wrabek 6,402
ben willis 6,092
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Vicarn 5,688
Linda Sings 5,604
niteshift 5,390
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,618
Blake Hill 4,528
Neil Cotton 4,365
Bob Cushing 4,351
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Cindy Miller 4,178
Tom Shea 4,173
TamsNumber4 4,029
Roy Cooper 3,999
nightengale 3,965
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,782
Dan Sullivan 3,710
MFB III 3,687
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
beechnut79 3,390
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
E Swartz 3,133
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,885
Harriet Ames 2,869
Nigel Quin 2,806
MidniteBob 2,706
Nelson 2,562
Tom Tracy 2,558
Polly Hager 2,526
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,241
Judy Hollier 2,232
Erica Ellis 2,202
Wendy D 2,182
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,012
DukeWill 1,984
floyd jane 1,947
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
maccharles 1,859
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,626
Noel Downs 1,620
Rick Heenan 1,577
Cal 1,574
Jack Swain 1,554
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
Janice & Bud 1,461
RogerS 1,461
Tom Franz 1,452
Ralph Blight 1,440
Chuck Crowe 1,435
Kenneth Cade 1,429
Rick Norton 1,428
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,406
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
GocartMoz 1,341
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,292
DakLander 1,265
Ian Ferrin 1,230
PeteG 1,228
Glen King 1,212
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
Diane Ewing 1,158
summeoyo 1,085
Gerry 1,084
joro 1,077
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
Tony A 1,016
lane1777 1,015
Martin Lide 1,006
argo 986
peaden 984
Wolvman 960
IronKnee 930
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 827
Juan 797
TKO 784
frahmes 781
teletwang 762
90 dB 745
tbryson 737
Andy K 734
Andy Kemp 733
ant 732
Jackie444 722
3daveyO3 704
Dayson 703
9ne 703
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Deej56 655
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Pat Hardy 599
Irwin 589
Shandy 589
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 565
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
Moosesong 530
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 511
goodfolks 499
Fdemetrio 492
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
R&M 463
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
Rob L 426
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Cecilee 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
papaG 353
Alek 352
Z - man 350
John K 348
JamesDF5 347
Jaden 344
ddreuter 341
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 293
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
pomeranj 289
Char 286
ktunes 285
markus-ky 280
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#1132399 - 11/13/17 11:12 AM Say Cheese and Smile  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Neil Cotton Offline
Top 100 Poster
Neil Cotton  Offline
Top 100 Poster

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Georgetown, ON,CANADA
Say Cheese and Smile

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13655461


Bad attitudes and punctured tires
Hold you back until they’re changed
Kicking tires just gets you wired
Laugh at life helps on the way

Don’t be a pebble in a shoe
It inflames your soul
Or a bad beat in a tune
It ruins the groove
Like your photo’s being taken
Say cheese and smile
Say cheese and smile

One trick works when you're down
Kick butt makes things happen
Mopin’ around face like a hound
Never gets your tail waggin'

Don’t be a pebble in a shoe
It inflames your soul
Or a bad beat in a tune
It ruins the groove
Like your photo’s being taken
Say cheese and smile
Say cheese and smile

B~
Not everyone believes the Science
Some call it fake
When the body gets to movin’
Feel good's the take away

Don’t be a pebble in a shoe
It inflames your soul
Or a bad beat in a tune
It ruins the groove
Like your photo’s being taken
Say cheese and smile
Say cheese and smile

Last edited by Neil Cotton; 11/18/17 11:38 PM.
#1132443 - 11/14/17 07:27 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: Neil Cotton]  
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 117
RainyDayMan Offline
Serious Contributor
RainyDayMan  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 117
Stratford, Australia
Love those opening lines:
Bad attitudes and punctured tires
Hold you back until they’re changed
- that's just wonderful.

Great philosophy and a good fun song!

#1132447 - 11/14/17 08:43 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: RainyDayMan]  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Neil Cotton Offline
Top 100 Poster
Neil Cotton  Offline
Top 100 Poster

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Georgetown, ON,CANADA
Thanks RDM...They a song should have a good first line or 2. LOL

#1132555 - 11/17/17 09:04 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: Neil Cotton]  
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 481
TC Perkins Offline
Top 500 Poster
TC Perkins  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: May 2015
Posts: 481
Virginia
I loved the first line of the tune "Bad attitudes and punctured tires" - those two definitely go together!

The music bed is decent but the vocals sound pitchy and too much midrange (kind of underwater sounding). You could fix this by taking out some mids in the 500Hz range.

Your lyrics have some good lines but I felt they were a bit inconsistent throughout. I think if you craft this tune a bit more, and work on locking down the vocal melody it could be really good.

Fun song.

Peace,
TC


If it has strings I will find a way to play it!

You can hear my tunes at https://soundcloud.com/tc-gypsy
#1132597 - 11/18/17 11:33 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: Neil Cotton]  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Neil Cotton Offline
Top 100 Poster
Neil Cotton  Offline
Top 100 Poster

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Georgetown, ON,CANADA
Thanks for the tips and encouragement.
I have a dip at 400Hz...I'll resing it and do the 500

lyric is a bit inconsistent ....how? please & thanks

Last edited by Neil Cotton; 11/18/17 11:37 PM.
#1132621 - 11/19/17 04:31 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: Neil Cotton]  
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 214
David Snyder Offline
Serious Contributor
David Snyder  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 214
North Carolina

Hey, I like this song!

For mixing and mastering purposes (or feedback on that rather) I was separating out in my head the vocals and the instrumentation, which I will henceforth always refer to in this forum as "the bed."

(I usually mix down a fully mixed bed and put that into a separate mixing workstation with vocals before I do a final mix.) Vocals are a .....well you know what I mean.

I thought the bed was fine. It had a little bit of a lo fi quality to it, but a lot of people are doing that these days on purpose.

It was the vocals only that I thought needed more clarity. I was wondering if you you have a microphone shield on your mic stand. They change EVERYTHING. I heard what I thought was a lot of room noise and the vocal registry just flying out into space, losing a lot of tones. If you have a mic shield and a condenser mic and sing up close, you don't have to do much Eq-ing later, maybe just a tad of reverb or whatever effect floats your boat. But no plug in known to man can save you later if all of your voice has just flown out the window while you were recording. It needs to all be trapped right there in front of the mic with nowhere else to go.

That is what I heard. I could be wrong, but it sounds more like a vocal recording technique tweak is needed more than an EQ tweak, per se.

I really liked the song though!!! Great lyrics.

smile


David Snyder, Composer, Author
Singer-Songwriter, Producer
Regional Chapter Coordinator, NSAI
www.davidsnydermusic.com
www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder
#1132623 - 11/19/17 05:27 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: Neil Cotton]  
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 481
TC Perkins Offline
Top 500 Poster
TC Perkins  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: May 2015
Posts: 481
Virginia

Originally Posted by Neil Cotton
Thanks for the tips and encouragement.
I have a dip at 400Hz...I'll resing it and do the 500

lyric is a bit inconsistent ....how? please & thanks


The lyrics are good overall, don't get me wrong. It's just you have some REALLY good lines, and some lines that just are not at that same level. You start out with a fantastic opening stanza so you set the expectations high!

The second half of the first verse needs to have the same pizazz as the first couple of lines.

The last line in the 3rd verse just whiffs. You need a strong closer right there for the tune.

The chorus is excellent.

Anyway, that is my honest opinion.

Regards,
TC


If it has strings I will find a way to play it!

You can hear my tunes at https://soundcloud.com/tc-gypsy
#1132631 - 11/19/17 11:22 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: David Snyder]  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Neil Cotton Offline
Top 100 Poster
Neil Cotton  Offline
Top 100 Poster

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Georgetown, ON,CANADA
I really appreciate your comments re the mix. I will try some of this.

Last edited by Neil Cotton; 11/19/17 11:22 PM.
#1132632 - 11/19/17 11:26 PM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: TC Perkins]  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Neil Cotton Offline
Top 100 Poster
Neil Cotton  Offline
Top 100 Poster

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Georgetown, ON,CANADA
Originally Posted by TC Perkins

Originally Posted by Neil Cotton
Thanks for the tips and encouragement.
I have a dip at 400Hz...I'll resing it and do the 500

lyric is a bit inconsistent ....how? please & thanks


The lyrics are good overall, don't get me wrong. It's just you have some REALLY good lines, and some lines that just are not at that same level. You start out with a fantastic opening stanza so you set the expectations high!

The second half of the first verse needs to have the same pizazz as the first couple of lines.

The last line in the 3rd verse just whiffs. You need a strong closer right there for the tune.

The chorus is excellent.

Anyway, that is my honest opinion.

Regards,
TC


whiff? sounds like my gold game.

I was going for biofeedback but it sounded too clinical.
Exercise making endorphins etc. body's own morphine.

Last edited by Neil Cotton; 11/19/17 11:26 PM.
#1132639 - 11/20/17 06:43 AM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: Neil Cotton]  
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,936
Travis david Online content
Top 10 Poster
Travis david  Online Content
Top 10 Poster

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 10,936
Kendal, Cumbria .UK
Good lyric intro reminded me of the Kinks ( the band no the lifestyle preference)
Yes a good listen
Travis


We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
#1132644 - 11/20/17 09:02 AM Re: Say Cheese and Smile [Re: Travis david]  
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Neil Cotton Offline
Top 100 Poster
Neil Cotton  Offline
Top 100 Poster

Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,365
Georgetown, ON,CANADA
Originally Posted by Travis david
Good lyric intro reminded me of the Kinks ( the band no the lifestyle preference)
Yes a good listen
Travis

Thanks Travis


Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Membership
Join Just Plain Folks
to receive the free
JPNotes Newsletter!
*this is separate from
message board registration*

Newest Members
winfilm, Liburan_Lombok, azmaster, Johnevans, aliciahess
21057 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums116
Topics118,154
Posts1,113,388
Members21,058
Average Posts Daily30
Most Online1,506
Mar 16th, 2017
Just Plain Quotes
"Sharing in your success is the payback to those who shared in your failure." -Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
Dennis song lyrics (43), Dennis Wright (43)
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0