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#1131706 - 10/25/17 02:12 PM
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Ricki E. Bellos
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Howdy JPFrs all over the place! I want to share this older song, co-written with Jim Purtell, that we turned over to Mike Zaneski on which to put his own, unique spin. He never disappoints. Thanks ahead for listening. https://soundcloud.com/rickib/sometimes-notSOMETIMES NOT Is it this cold empty bed I toss and turn in all night Or a cruel winter wind instead That chills me in moon light Thought I knew the difference Between what I want and what I’ve got Sometimes I know but sometimes not Is it the hot sun that blinds On this bright new shiny day Or a stinging in my eyes From those dreams that blew away Thought I knew the difference Between what I’ve sold and what I’ve bought Sometimes I know but sometimes not On any given day I’d be the first to say Life is only what we make it Now I find that hard to admit Is it age that makes me ask What have I done with my life Or the time that slips my grasp For one last chance that might Thought I knew the difference Between what I’ve learned and what I’ve taught Sometimes I know but sometimes not Thought I knew the difference Between what I’ve learned and what I’ve taught Sometimes I know but sometimes not ©Jim Purtell (BMI) / Ricki E. Bellos (BMI)
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#1131763 - 10/26/17 10:13 PM
Re: Sometimes Not
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Maroon, Calvin, Lane, Dave, Eddie, and Martin.. Thanks a million, folks. I so very much enjoyed working on this. Ricki's talents know no boundaries. This is one of the most down-to-earth soul searching lyrics I've ever been lucky enough to be associated with, and Jim's music led me to discover that a 'Bakersfield Baroque' sound would be an organic and natural one to persue on this song. Maroon, welcome to JPF! It's great to have a new member who can talk music and theory like you can. I see you are a jazzer, among other influences. That's great--we are few, here, but I listen to lots of ECM label artists, hard-bop, free, and cosmic jazz (luvvvv Pharoah Sanders and Alice Coltrane), though I grew up with fusion, and the music I write for libraries is highly influenced by modern classical and the jazz I love. BTW, that descending sixth thing was something I arrived at, realizing it was a bit different, but that it had the right amount of 'Outlaw Country' attitude in it. It's something a guy singing like Dwight Yoakam but feeling like Waylon Jennings might do..stressing a downbeat like that and then slurring two notes in the process..anyway, great to have you aboard and look forward to more of and from you.  Mike
Last edited by Michael Zaneski; 10/26/17 11:21 PM.
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
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#1131813 - 10/27/17 08:27 PM
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Funny, I didn't hear country at all , I thought it sounded much more like Cat Stevens... So Ricki, I think I got more out of reading the lyric than hearing it sung. Both the lyric and music are excellent - and the questions you are asking are deep - so , I think that with the song form you're using which is A-A-B-A, the last line of the A section needs to be the hook, and the -maybe , maybe not -sentiment isn't doing it for me. There is emotion in the song, but it's being covered by the philosophy. I think you need to peel the layers and get to the heart. jmo - ....Pete
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#1131899 - 10/31/17 11:56 AM
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No apology or even response due, Ricki! Thanks for those details. That's interesting, and I don't know why I assumed that the lyrics came first. I suppose I assume that more lyricists start with a blank slate, musically, rather than being handed a melody, but that may be a misconception.
While I personally wouldn't characterize Mr. Zaneski's score as melancholy, every ear hears things different and the pairing with your lyrics has worked out well. If the music were slowed down, I could see some general similarity with a song in the vein of something like "You Were Always on My Mind" (Christopher/ James/ Carson), which has a somber feel even though it is in a major key.
Like you said, the main concern is that lyrics and music compliment each other.
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#1131900 - 10/31/17 12:46 PM
Re: Sometimes Not
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Not that I'm a pro or that I've even been doing this all that long, but since I started songwriting, I had always written both the lyrics and music for my songs. Then I started visiting JPF and there were several lyricists whose lyrics I fell in love with and so I wrote music for them. Then I met someone who primarily wrote music and needed someone who could write lyrics, and so began a short but fruitful co-writing relationship, which is where this song came from. Now I'm back to the solo thing. It takes longer to get a song out but there's something to be said for not having any other master to please. This song had been a striped down g/v for several years before Mike breathed new life into it. It could be that Mike's version illuminates the "sometimes I know" part of the equation and the more stark version stresses the "sometimes not"? Either way, I feel lightening struck twice with this song and which one I prefer depends on my mood at that moment.  Nice talking to you. Ricki
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#1132053 - 11/04/17 10:51 AM
Re: Sometimes Not
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Hey Ricki: This sounds like a modern band with modern production techniques covered a Gordon Lightfoot song. And Gordon Lightfoot is one of my favorite songwriters.  Nice job on the songwriting and kudos to Mike for his performance. It's still playing in my head. Scott
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#1132167 - 11/06/17 12:31 PM
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Michael Zaneski
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Gavin, Mike L, Pete, Moosesong, Scott, and Paul.. Thanks, all. When a song this good is handed to me to produce and sing, I say to myself, "I have the best job in the world" cuz I get to at least attempt to make something sound as good in real life as I do in my head, in my imagination. Scott, it's funny you mention Gordon Lightfoot, cuz as well as being a fan, I actually do an impression of him (this wasn't it, this was more Yoakam in the high notes), and recently started working on him covering Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" in the style and sound of "Sundown" and one of these days I'll finish it and post it. It really works, done like him. Thanks for the comparison.  Thanks all, Ricki and Jim are the best at what they do and that makes producing and performing--a labour of love..  Mike
Last edited by Michael Zaneski; 11/06/17 02:23 PM.
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
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#1132748 - 11/23/17 01:35 PM
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Michael Zaneski
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Nelson, Deej, Midnite, Vic, Travis, and TC:
Thanks, guys. As I said, it makes my job easy with such great material. It amounts to me just getting out of its way and listening to what the song needs.
TC, I think I did two or three songs in a row where I made the hats get a variation on the main pattern in V2 and do make them slighly louder there indeed.
Mike
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
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