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#1131204 - 10/04/17 03:17 PM Dying art of the song intro  
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http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41500692

Interesting article about song intros


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#1131207 - 10/04/17 05:19 PM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Thanks for posting the link, John. It makes interesting reading. I always really enjoyed a good song intro and it wouldn't make me move onto the next song on Spotify. But my brain is probably wired differently from my kids'.

Recognizing the need to avoid boring people with long instrumental intros, I've started putting them at the end. The first time I was struck by the potential of the long outro was the epic fuzzy guitar solo on The Carpenters' "Goodbye to Love." It felt like the whole song had been flipped on its head in a really cool way.

#1131235 - 10/05/17 02:33 PM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Impatience is a killer to most art forms. If someone writes a song, they want the singable chorus in 20 seconds. If it's a movie, they want something BIG or shocking or thrilling or terrifying to happen in the opening scene. TV show? Better have a big laugh, controversy or a tearful crisis a few minutes in (or less). People don't consume poems anymore unless they are listening to one with a Rap beat. Same with books, radio shows, news of all types and formats, and anything else competing for people's 3 second attention span.

I haven't read the article yet, but thanks for sharing it John!


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#1131274 - 10/06/17 08:48 PM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Impatience is a killer to most art forms. If someone writes a song, they want the singable chorus in 20 seconds. If it's a movie, they want something BIG or shocking or thrilling or terrifying to happen in the opening scene. TV show? Better have a big laugh, controversy or a tearful crisis a few minutes in (or less). People don't consume poems anymore unless they are listening to one with a Rap beat. Same with books, radio shows, news of all types and formats, and anything else competing for people's 3 second attention span.

I haven't read the article yet, but thanks for sharing it John!


All true. There is so much media competing for attention in this age that you have to do something attention-grabbing quickly to be noticed.

As for intros...my personal theory is that today's avid music fan wants to be part of the art. That is the lyrics and whatever message or sentiment is being delivered for them to memorize and sing along with. Long intros, which I like, just get in those folk's way.

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#1131279 - 10/07/17 10:05 AM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Hi John and fellow JPF'rs:

Interesting thread. Sorry, insufficient time to watch the video but who said, "Get to the Chorus ASAP?" Brian (as always) pointed out the key ingredient for today's music consumer... IMPATIENCE! Then he further nailed things down with the sad fact we all suffer from INFORMATION OVERLOAD. We live in "The McDonald's Culture" and we want things to be immediate.

Intros are important and being able to grab the listener's ear within the first few seconds of a song just might keep them from moving on to something else. Then there is the argument about video as being part of the entire package. I don't listen to music that way. I want to listen to the melody and words and find the visual aspect to be a distraction. As Martin says, "My Opinion is worth what you paid for it!" (A wise man, indeed!) ----Dave

#1131280 - 10/07/17 10:13 AM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Long intros seem to be accepted more on a live performance where the audience have purposefully come to see the performer.
They are there for the whole trip.

Short intros are for busy shoppers who have other things to do.

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#1131281 - 10/07/17 10:29 AM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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The Attention span of the average dult is about five seconds. I may even be a good idea to start your song with the catchy chorus....

#1131291 - 10/07/17 08:30 PM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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[naughty word removed] attention span, do what feels correct.

#1131379 - 10/11/17 09:42 PM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: maccharles]  
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Originally Posted by maccharles
[naughty word removed] attention span, do what feels correct.


I agree Mac. Since the odds of making real money in music is so limited, nearly into lottery odds, you should always write to please yourself so at least when you're done you'll have that release and satisfaction. That is the lions share of reward music gives you anyway. Money isn't a reward for creating art, reaching and moving an audience is, whether it is 1 or a billion. I'd much rather write a song that moved the world and I got paid nothing for, than to make millions and no one remembered or cared. But if your music is no more than ordinary droll work product, a widget so to speak, then you best know how to make a widget that will sell. Art vs Commerce, two things with very different dynamics and measurements of success and value.


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#1131403 - 10/13/17 07:26 AM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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I am sure what they are saying is true........but I like songs that have a signature, immediately recognizable instrumental hook. Many great songs from the classic rock days are instantly recognizable from the first chord or couple of notes. Take Clapton's Layla for instance. Or the first chord of A Hard Day's Night. You don't get that on a recording of someone rapping over a beat.


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#1131414 - 10/13/17 10:56 AM Re: Dying art of the song intro [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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I agree. Sometimes it seems that artists are primarily remembered for their intros...Think Baker Street and Whiter Shade of Pale.


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