Who's Online Now
16 registered members (Gary E. Andrews, Gavin Sinclair, 9ne, Guy E. Trepanier, Bluecat, chazma2, couchgrouch, Everett Adams, E Swartz, 1 invisible), and 219 guests, and
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Member Spotlight
ghoskins
ghoskins
Cuba, New Mexico
Posts: 22
Joined: August 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
What's Going On
Money Motive? Richest Songwriters Of All Time
by Gary E. Andrews. 01/15/21 11:18 AM
Atonal music Anyone?
by John Lawrence Schick. 01/15/21 10:06 AM
Carousel
by Travis david. 01/15/21 07:39 AM
Dancing Horses
by Travis david. 01/15/21 07:38 AM
TRY INSIDE OF YOU. Deej & Travis
by Travis david. 01/15/21 01:00 AM
Spring Cleaning...
by JAPOV. 01/14/21 10:00 PM
If this song came on the radio
by Stefan des Lauriers. 01/14/21 04:50 PM
Who I Am
by VNORTH2. 01/14/21 12:01 PM
Rules of the game [deleted]
by lane1777. 01/14/21 11:54 AM
"Memphis Bound" Crystal Taylor Kitchen Party
by Gary E. Andrews. 01/14/21 10:26 AM
Nova Scotia Kitchen Party "Memphis Bound"
by Gary E. Andrews. 01/14/21 10:23 AM
I'm Here To Tell You
by VNORTH2. 01/14/21 09:36 AM
Doing it for nothing. Vic
by Travis david. 01/13/21 11:42 PM
IF ONLY. (DEEJ & TRAVIS COLLAB)
by Travis david. 01/13/21 11:37 PM
Things That Never Can Be
by Songbird52. 01/13/21 11:36 PM
The Ditty Bop Bar-n-Grill
by Travis david. 01/13/21 11:35 PM
And
by Travis david. 01/13/21 11:31 PM
Another Covid Day
by Travis david. 01/13/21 11:26 PM
Stars
by Travis david. 01/13/21 11:14 PM
Mila Azul & HiJack Threat Maker Identity
by WilliamMahler. 01/13/21 06:55 PM
Be Cool
by couchgrouch. 01/13/21 06:29 PM
SLIDE IT IN
by R&M. 01/13/21 01:48 AM
Sing
by Bluecat. 01/12/21 02:40 PM
Barcelona Blues?
by Gary E. Andrews. 01/12/21 01:45 PM
Feb. 7, 2021 Showcase Col. Songwriters Assoc.
by Gary E. Andrews. 01/12/21 01:44 PM
Bassing: You're Doing It Wrong: Posture For Bass
by TransformsIntoAGuita. 01/12/21 11:34 AM
Letters
by ckiphen. 01/12/21 08:26 AM
Collaboration Across All Areas In Music
by Douglas Murphy. 01/12/21 07:28 AM
SHOWCASE: LYRICS/SONGS/ESSAYS BY GARY E. ANDREWS
by Gary E. Andrews. 01/12/21 12:24 AM
To All Message Board Folks
by Gavin Sinclair. 01/11/21 09:51 PM
Top Posters(All Time)
Calvin 19,839
Travis david 12,054
Kevin Emmrich 10,938
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,649
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 8,931
glynda 8,679
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
couchgrouch 7,934
Colin Ward 7,909
Corey 7,357
Vicarn 6,713
Mark Kaufman 6,588
Wyman Lloyd 6,578
ben willis 6,108
Lynn Orloff 5,788
niteshift 5,756
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,608
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Neil Cotton 4,909
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,666
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,389
Roy Cooper 4,260
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,179
Cindy Miller 4,178
TamsNumber4 4,130
nightengale 4,096
MFB III 3,928
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,816
Dan Sullivan 3,710
beechnut79 3,682
E Swartz 3,622
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Fdemetrio 3,045
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,890
Harriet Ames 2,870
Nigel Quin 2,865
Sunset Poet 2,772
MidniteBob 2,760
Nelson 2,608
Tom Tracy 2,558
Polly Hager 2,526
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,242
Judy Hollier 2,232
Wendy D 2,225
Erica Ellis 2,202
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,027
maccharles 1,999
DukeWill 1,988
floyd jane 1,985
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,652
Noel Downs 1,633
Rick Heenan 1,608
Cal 1,574
Jack Swain 1,554
GocartMoz 1,552
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,473
Tom Franz 1,473
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Rick Norton 1,429
Kenneth Cade 1,429
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,408
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Deej56 1,372
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,292
DakLander 1,265
Gerry 1,255
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,235
Glen King 1,214
lane1777 1,213
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
summeoyo 1,172
Diane Ewing 1,158
joro 1,082
BobbyJoe 1,075
IronKnee 1,053
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
Tony A 1,016
9ne 1,004
argo 986
peaden 984
90 dB 964
Wolvman 960
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
JAPOV 831
Nadia 829
Juan 797
TKO 784
Dayson 781
frahmes 781
ant 771
teletwang 762
Andy K 747
tbryson 737
Andy Kemp 734
Jackie444 731
3daveyO3 704
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Knute 686
Irwin 681
Lee Arten 678
Moosesong 667
Pat Hardy 665
Katziis 652
ckiphen 648
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 589
Ria 587
R&M 585
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 512
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
Rob L 426
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Cecilee 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
Alek 358
papaG 353
Z - man 350
JamesDF5 348
John K 348
Jaden 344
ddreuter 341
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 294
markus-ky 292
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
pomeranj 289
Char 286
ktunes 285
mastrose 280
pammie 279
pd 277
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#1129944 - 08/16/17 01:26 PM Song released.....now what???  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 168
Donna Dutchess Offline
Serious Contributor
Donna Dutchess  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 168
WNY, USA
HI. I'm in totally uncharted territory here and need advice. My song "TRY" was released about a month ago by Mia Kylie Ditta. Today I get an email from another artist who wants to also put that song on her coming EP. So would the second artist being doing a cover of Mia's release???? Mia got a mechanical license and sync license from me. She did not get an exclusive. The only way I would give an exclusive license is to someone like Carrie Underwood. I know this is a position any songwriter would love to be in. But its still new to me. I fired my publisher,(another story) so I can't ask him. Advice, please??


https://donnadutchessmusic.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/donnadutchesssongwriter
https://www.youtube.com/user/dutchessdnn
#1129945 - 08/16/17 01:40 PM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 9,703
John Lawrence Schick Offline
John Lawrence Schick  Offline

Top 20 Poster

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 9,703
PA
Hi Donna,

Good question for Marc Barnette. I would say if it's a non-exclusive license, you can license it to as many artists you want. Good luck with it.

Best, John smile

#1129949 - 08/16/17 03:01 PM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,412
Ray E. Strode Offline
Top 30 Poster
Ray E. Strode  Offline
Top 30 Poster

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,412
Brunswick, Ga. USA
Well,
If you have your own Mechanical License you can issue a license to the second Artist. Songs are covered from time to time. It is allowed in copyright law. I have my own permission letter if an artist wants to record one of my songs and the mechanical license. My permission letter and the mechanical license has a place for all the information required for issuing the license. Number of copies, artists name, contact info, record label, License cost, Approximate release date. If your Publisher did all this stuff you may want to get back with him. Good luck.


Ray E. Strode
#1129961 - 08/17/17 11:07 AM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,323
Marc Barnette Offline
Top 50 Poster
Marc Barnette  Offline
Top 50 Poster

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,323
Nashville, Tn.
Once a song is released, anyone can record it. If you want to go the licence route, you would just issue one to each version of the song. You are your own publisher, so you can do it as formal or informal as you would like. Most artists not on major labels (and even some on major labels) sell so few copies, it is usually not worth much except adding to paperwork. It's a personal decision. If you want to fill out paperwork, you could probably google "Licencing agreements" or contact your PRO for this suggestion.

It more or less just depends on how many copies you think they will sell.

MAB

#1129965 - 08/17/17 12:49 PM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 10,893
John Voorpostel Offline
Top 10 Poster
John Voorpostel  Offline
Top 10 Poster

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 10,893


If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

iAccountant --- Info L inc --- Taxboard
#1130015 - 08/19/17 09:09 AM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 168
Donna Dutchess Offline
Serious Contributor
Donna Dutchess  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 168
WNY, USA
Thank you all for your advice. I've decided not to issue any more licenses on this song for one year in order to give the current artist a chance with the song. UNLESS of course, if someone major wants it......


https://donnadutchessmusic.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/donnadutchesssongwriter
https://www.youtube.com/user/dutchessdnn
#1130019 - 08/19/17 10:25 AM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 9,703
John Lawrence Schick Offline
John Lawrence Schick  Offline

Top 20 Poster

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 9,703
PA
Hi Donna,

I doubt the majors would be interested after it's been licensed to someone else. I hope you find success with Mia. Who knows, maybe she'll end up being the next Carrie Underwood.

Best, John smile

#1130538 - 09/09/17 03:57 AM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 665
Pat Hardy Offline
Top 500 Poster
Pat Hardy  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 665
Originally Posted by Donna Dutchess
HI. I'm in totally uncharted territory here and need advice. My song "TRY" was released about a month ago by Mia Kylie Ditta. Today I get an email from another artist who wants to also put that song on her coming EP. So would the second artist being doing a cover of Mia's release???? Mia got a mechanical license and sync license from me. She did not get an exclusive. The only way I would give an exclusive license is to someone like Carrie Underwood. I know this is a position any songwriter would love to be in. But its still new to me. I fired my publisher,(another story) so I can't ask him. Advice, please??


Yes, the second recording of the artist wanting to record your tune would be considered as a "cover". Under compulsory license law, you cannot stop her from doing it. You can demand the stat rate for an initial run of 1000 CDs ( about $90 or so ) for that compulsory license.
Congrats, by the way.

As I understand it, exclusives only limit you to licensing to one publisher or agent, or producer, but it doesn't prevent compulsory licenses by artists ( after the first release ). Therefore, exclusives are never made to artists, ( afaik, it's impossible because of compulsory licensing law ) Exclusives usually include transferring the copyright to the publisher. Unless that publisher is a major publisher I wouldn't do it, but it's rather a moot point since publishers rarely sign single song contracts to unknowns these days, they are interested in buying out catalogs from other publishers of well-established songwriters. There a lot of music libraries, so I'd only do non-exclusives with those, but more and more of them want exclusives ( they are tired of several non-exclusive publishers pitching them the same song) so a kind of dilemma is emerging.

In fact, Im more inclined just to do vinyl LPs, and sell them directlly from a website of my own. Not there yet, but that's the direction I'm leaning. I'm really sick of the shenanigans going on in the digital realm.




Last edited by Pat Hardy; 09/09/17 04:04 AM.
#1130539 - 09/09/17 04:07 AM Re: Song released.....now what??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 665
Pat Hardy Offline
Top 500 Poster
Pat Hardy  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 665
Originally Posted by Donna Dutchess
Thank you all for your advice. I've decided not to issue any more licenses on this song for one year in order to give the current artist a chance with the song. UNLESS of course, if someone major wants it......


I hate to tell you this, but you can't stop a compulsory license, once it's officially "released" ( for sale, with a bar code, etc ). you can express to them your displeasure, and hope they comply, but that's about it.


Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Newest Members
Bluecat, Teresa_Aguilar, MarleneL, Calcoic, JAlan
21311 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums116
Topics121,252
Posts1,140,875
Members21,311
Average Posts Daily27
Most Online37,523
Jan 25th, 2020
Just Plain Quotes
"If one man can do it, any man can do it. It is true. But the real question is, if one man did it, are you willing to do what it takes to do it as well?" –Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0