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#1130003 - 08/18/17 09:28 PM New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video  
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There must be 12 new young guys on Country 20-25 all singing the same song and doing the same video with the adoring gal. Maybe they don't know they all sound alike, are singing the same song and have the same video. But there are a few good new songs around.

#1130281 - 08/30/17 10:39 PM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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The music business has always been the MOST FOLLOW THE LEADER business out there. Whenever there was an Elvis, there were dozens of Fabians, Frankie Avalon's. When there were THE BEATLES, every British group had the same suits and hair cuts and all did mostly the same thing. Of course there was a lot more quality in those days as some of those bands are still played today. But record companies continually throw things against the wall and if something sticks, you'll get dozens of things that sound identical, and dozens then HUNDREDS all exactly alike.
With the Internet, there are just going to be thousands of them. Record companies usually now sign people with extensive fan base, so you are probably seeing regional and local wonders, who gravitated into Nashville, LA and New York, grabbing someone's attention, and then....there you go. IDENTICAL CRAP!

Want to really have fun? Pick out the latest singer's hit song and go to YOU TUBE and see their video. then look to the right and scroll down through the dozens, tens of dozens and HUNDREDS OF singers, doing the exact same song the exact same way. Along the way you will get people doing THEIR OWN SONGS THAT SOUND JUST LIKE THAT ONE. They don't even TRY to be different. And some of them get tons of hits, streams and create their own little world. If you think it is bad OUT THERE, you should have to listen to hundreds of these singers that are UNKNOWN and doing the same things on writers nights, open mics.

You can predict what their next rhyme is going to be. Write their whole song in your head before they get through with it onstage. Get's to be pretty funny. But you can look around the room at all the people texting, checking emails or Facebook on their phones, totally oblivious to who is on the stage. I call those "GLOW SONGS." (Glow in the faces of the people on their phones.)

So yep, you are quite correct in your assessment Barry. Good observations. Glad it is not all so distinct and different like say The Rap world. A lot of difference in those songs.

MAB

#1130282 - 08/30/17 11:54 PM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Imagine that you're sitting in an office when a guy walks in and says...Have you got anything going that will make this label a profit?

Would your answer be...No , I probably could have but I blew everybody I was looking at off because none of em were original enough to meet my standards. However, I expect you to keep funding my paycheck...from the profits that someone else makes...with clones or whatever. I have my eye on a ninety-five year old guy named Martin. I think I can make him the next big thing. The tweens will love him.




If you were the question asker...what would you say next?


Ps...focus on Eric Church. He's hard to copy.

#1130284 - 08/31/17 08:11 AM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Yes,
From time to time I tune in Great American Country on the T.V. and see what's new. The one thing I have noticed lately is they are singing like they are in a Tunnel or way back in a Canyon. The music usually louder than the Vocal with spurrious noises in the music.Not very good, not very original.


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#1130289 - 08/31/17 09:29 AM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Yes,
From time to time I tune in Great American Country on the T.V. and see what's new. The one thing I have noticed lately is they are singing like they are in a Tunnel or way back in a Canyon. The music usually louder than the Vocal with spurrious noises in the music.Not very good, not very original.


If you were a 19 year old girl...you would likely spend your parents money on tickets to see those people sing those songs in that manner.

Things are what they are Roy.

I keep trying to figure out ways to get 19 year old girls to spend their parents money on my songs...but Ive come to the conclusion that they would prefer being put to death.

#1130446 - 09/06/17 03:53 AM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
[quote=Ray E. Strode].

I keep trying to figure out ways to get 19 year old girls to spend their parents money on my songs...but Ive come to the conclusion that they would prefer being put to death.



Ha! Like GAG ME WITH A SPOON! (do you all realize that statement itself is now is 35 years old or more. Perhaps 40... Valley Girl talk was done by modern day Grannies. So those are the 19 year olds you need to pursue Martin.. only they are 59 now...

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#1130498 - 09/07/17 08:18 PM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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I still strum my guitar, singin' old country songs, while sitting in my Nudie suit. Oh wait! That could be taken more ways than one!

#1130505 - 09/08/17 10:09 AM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
[quote=Ray E. Strode].

I keep trying to figure out ways to get 19 year old girls to spend their parents money on my songs...but Ive come to the conclusion that they would prefer being put to death.



Ha! Like GAG ME WITH A SPOON! (do you all realize that statement itself is now is 35 years old or more. Perhaps 40... Valley Girl talk was done by modern day Grannies. So those are the 19 year olds you need to pursue Martin.. only they are 59 now...

Brian


Yes, they are older. But do they buy records of emerging artists? Correct me if I'm wrong here. When I look at country music videos or awards, old guys are about 32 years old. On awards shows they will feature an emeritus personality and REBA seems to be perennial, but the stars are young or not that old and been around since they were early twenties. So at a glance it looks like break-out artists are not guys like me by about 45 years.

Question? - I've never looked it up but always assumed that the market that drives new country artists downloads and concert ticket sales is probably a median age of about twenty-one. And the major thrust of it is females in that age bracket? Is that assumption wrong?

#1130507 - 09/08/17 10:32 AM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Humm,
That quote you ascribe to me, 19 old girls wasn't made by me. Now all those screaming females, were around when Sinatra was young, Elvis was young, and maybe others. Even so, the Artists I hear on Great American Country reminds me of a quote by Hank Thompson, Quote: I wouldn't even let them carry my Guitar Case. Hank was a huge Artist By the way, I wouldn't let them carry my Guitar Case either. And so, what Album by one of those Artists have you bought lately? A friend, now deceased said it best. I said, Any of yesterdays Artists would beat those currently being promoted 3 to 1. He said 3 to nothing. So post any of your favorite artists of today. I have listened to about everything from about 1950 to the present. There is little today that impresses me. You?


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#1130508 - 09/08/17 10:56 AM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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The country listener demographic is 70% female, aged 25-45. But with artists like Taylor Swift, that brought it down to 14-65. She expanded the female audience in a way that Garth expanded the overall audience with huge stage shows. But women still drive the market, and particularly with younger artists.

While you see a lot of male artists that are in their 30's, you have to keep in mind that many of them have been on a radar screen recording, touring, selling merchandise,making "inside connections", building regional followings and niches, for probably 5-10 years before that. So they actually get STARTED on their career path earlier, sometimes in their teens, but it takes years to develop and find the political muscle behind the scenes to actually LAUNCH their careers. And then, another thing to keep in mind is that there are artists who do well in certain REGIONS, yet are unheard of in other regions. Not every top ten artist is top ten EVERYWHERE.
There are also "VIRAL INTERNET SENSATIONS" who develop huge followings and never even have a radio career.

If you visited any "industry event", you would see hundreds of hit or established writers, publishers, record labels, managers, agents, publicists, all with hundreds and even thousands of their "new discoveries" in tow. Making the rounds, doing co-writes, performing on shows, opening for major acts. releasing their own product, first BEFORE their career kicks into gear. It is pretty normal to have someone in "DEVELOPMENT" for years before being released to the public.

Everyone has to have a patron. In the case of someone like FLA. GA. LINE, they were two students out of Belmont University, that made all the writers rounds some festivals, etc. I first saw them at the FRANK BROWN SONGWRITERS FESTIVAL a couple years before they made their public debut. They came under the wing of CRAIG WISEMAN, who is probably the most successful current songwriter, who got them into his studio, wrote with them, recorded versions of his songs, sent them to his friends, and for a few years developed them step by step. One of the reasons it is so hard to get songs to those type of artists is that they are under the umbrella of those hit or established artists, and access to them from the outside is very limited. When someone is signing your paychecks, you don't go outside the boundrys.

But it still takes a while, of development, recording songs that don't go anywhere, putting them on opening tour slots and radio tours, to gather all the nessassary clout to get "out there." and they are also test marketed by the record companies. Putting them on a major artist tour, getting them in different regions, are all part of the process. And that doesn't always yield positive results. Some people are dropped before they ever actually get out of the chute. And of course, a lot of them, actually most of them, DON'T PAY OFF. They simply don;t get traction, don't connect with the public and lose their deals.Labels spend as much on the FAILURES as they do on the successes You have to have one Fla. Georgia Line to fund all the failures. And no one KNOWS what is going to work because if they did, they would ONLY DO THAT.

#1130511 - 09/08/17 12:03 PM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Very nice post Marc.
Thanks.

Question...you mentioned that Taylor Swift fans span 14 to 65. I know that people 35 plus buy concert tickets for U2 and other bands they grew up with. Do people over 35 puchase music...generally speaking?

#1130514 - 09/08/17 02:23 PM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Martin,

Not as much NEW MUSIC. People usually over the age of about 30-35, are pretty much stuck on the music they grew up with, which is why they always complain "Nothing on the radio sounds good anymore, it's all CRAP!!!" As we age, radio and the culture will change, and we are usually stuck in our favorites. Also, people who get into that age bracket. have other things to do with their money, paying mortgages, raising kids, food, cars, insurance, etc. You know, BECOMING AN ADULT. They are working jobs (or now multiple jobs) and they also will not be influenced by peer pressure. They know what they like and don't need the latest promo campaign to tell them what to like or what to think.

The actual reason behind something like PANDORA, is that if you like one certain type of music, HERE IS A TON JUST LIKE IT.They still look around and sometimes will find some new things but they don't OBSESS OVER IT LIKE YOUNGER PEOPLE DO. Music is generally marketed to the young because they are influenced by their peers and will purchase in a BLOCK. The reason people like boy bands, IN SINC, BACKSTREET BOYS, JUSTIN BIEBER, TAYLOR SWIFT, are as successful as they are is because they reach their audience and they ALL TELL THEIR FRIENDS. That stops as people get into adulthood.

They don't go to many concerts because they don't want to deal with the expense, fighting traffic, waiting in lines, and screaming other people around them. So they don't support most NEW MUSIC. But you will see them go crazy over Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, or any of the endless touring bands that they grew up with, made classic rock radio, etc.

When I talk about Taylor Swift, I have a special view of her. She is the second PHENOM I have seen happen up close and personal. The first was Garth Brooks. I knew him a little before he exploded, and then saw his career become meteoric. He brought the big rock and roll stage show, lights, lasers, explosions, and energy into country music and expanded the market from 245 million dollars a year gross in all of country to $2.5 BILLION and a worldwide phenomenom.

Then I met Taylor about 15 years later and saw her do a very similar thing with her age demographic. But she did something much different in that she also hooked not only THE MOTHERS of that age demographic, but their GRANDMOTHERS as well. She created a niche, wrote music for that niche, then allowed the niche to GROW with her. They all aged the same and the fans rewarded her with great success. She rewarded them by never taking them for granted.

Best as I can see it.

MAB

#1130519 - 09/08/17 03:02 PM Re: New Male Songs On Country Radio & Video [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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From what little I've read about it and intuition, your assessment looks airtight.

Thanks for sharing what you know.

Martin


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