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#1129930 - 08/16/17 09:07 AM Interesting post on Witchita Lineman  
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With all the conversation on the passing of Glen Campbell, this came across my feed today. An interesting look at the song WITCHITA LINEMAN, one of Glen's best known songs. I good look at the "Less is More" songwriting phylosiphy. Thought you might find it interesting.

https://americansongwriter.com/2012/01/behind-the-song-wichita-lineman/

MAB

#1129935 - 08/16/17 09:51 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Thanks Marc. That's good.


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#1129942 - 08/16/17 11:45 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Thanks for Posting Marc....Of Course He was Hot and was Jimmy Web.
He Knew Glenn...BUT IT is a wonderful song written by One Person and I like that. Great Lyric but really a great melody and sung so nice....

#1129943 - 08/16/17 12:38 PM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Hi Marc:

Interesting post. I used to co-write with a talented guy in Australia and he thought Jimmy Webb was the "Bees Knees!" He liked Jimmy's work so well, he even started a song about him. (I have no idea if he ever finished it... but the probable answer is, "YES!")

When I first started writing, fool that I was... and am still, I cherished the thought that the Singer always seems to claim ownership of the songwriter's work... in the "Fame Department" and the songwriter practically remains invisible in the eyes of the general public. My thinking was... here is a chance to make some real money, remain fairly below the radar... and clip those coupons all the way to the bank from investments made off of proceeds from songwriting royalties, etc! WRONG!

Still, it was an interesting story about a time when the relationship between producers, publishers, artists and songwriters was much better than today.

After all is said and done, we eventually work our ignorant "arses" off doing something we love... or have become addicted to... knowing full well, there will be no money at the end of the rainbow! Cest la vie!

I enjoyed a flight from Burbank to Phoenix years ago with Glen Campbell and was amazed at his easy manner and friendliness to just about everyone on that Southwest Airlines flight. He would wander the aisle and strike up a conversation with anyone who even faintly seemed to recognize or acknowledge him. Nice guy!

Regards and thanks, ----Dave

#1129968 - 08/17/17 07:56 PM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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When Jimmy Webb was sending the song back and fourth was it just lyrics or did he also write the melody and sent demo's maybe on cassette tape? Must have been a slow process in those day's with no e-mail.

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Hi Ben:

You "hit the nail squarely on the head" on that ancient history. Remember when Casettes were the primary source of listening to music in Automobiles? Having to package up and mail one as a demo to a Publisher, Producer or Artist was a time consuming and expensive process. The internet is gradually changing all that... but not fast enough. Just waiting to hear back via "snail-mail" was an exercise in futility. (Often, there were no replies because the interns would listen and be afraid to send it forward to their supervisor because they didn't have a clue about what the artist was looking for in his/her next album.) I would guess that 75% of the Tapes mailed to Nashville were immediately round filed. Sad!

You've been there, too, my friend. ----Dave

#1131631 - 10/24/17 12:26 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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I never liked the classic country stuff my Dad did, but as time went on and I got into writing, I started to love this song. So many times I find myself doing something whatever it might be, working on something, or whatever, I find my mind wandering thinking about certain people.

This song describes how a memory or a thought can overpower the present. That's my take anyway

What gets missed in this arrangement is that little morse code like melody after the hook....another hook. It's the sound of signals going through a wire, just a great piece of art... Listen to it, is out on The lineeečee.... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxSarBcsKLU

#1131639 - 10/24/17 09:01 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: ben willis]  
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Originally Posted by ben willis
When Jimmy Webb was sending the song back and fourth was it just lyrics or did he also write the melody and sent demo's maybe on cassette tape? Must have been a slow process in those day's with no e-mail.


Ben, my across the street neighbor is FRED MOLLIN, who has been Jimmy's producer for around 30 years. From time to time he has some pretty big Sunday night Dinner and jam parties. He has instruments, amps, keyboards, drums percussion instruments, all set up in his living room, and dozens of guitars in his studio down the hall. We get together for a big BBQ dinner, sit around several tables and talk about all kinds of stuff like that. Then later we will all gather around and jam on cover songs. A lot of fun and we even formed a "Sunday night dinner band" and played a few times at the Hard Rock Cafe' here in town. Often there will be some celebrity musicians, John Mayer's bass player, Phil Collin's keyboard players, writers like Jim Peterek (Eye of the Tiger), Eddie Schwartz (Hit me with your Best Shot) and writer artists like Dan Hill and Jimmy will often drop by. Jimmy talked about that one night.

He wrote most of the lyrics to his songs with the music, but did work with others, and send cassette tapes and lyrics in progress back and forth with other collaborators. He would work on songs sometimes for years. The "little Morse Code" part on piano was written into the song from the beginning. He is a very nice guy and very genuine. Interesting conversations to listen to.

MAB

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#1131642 - 10/24/17 09:58 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Thanks for sharing interesting words...I really appreciated Mr.Marc Barnette

#1142886 - 07/16/18 12:28 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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wow, he's still using cassette tapes in the digital era ? Such Wow

#1143367 - 07/30/18 04:16 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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There is an interview with Glen Campbell's wife in the 7-29 issue of Parade magazine. Definately the music he petformed will never die.

He kept performing until he was physically resricted.

I still like cassettes. The transfer from audio to digital seems unnatural.

#1143417 - 07/31/18 11:27 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: ben willis]  
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JIM WEB ? Wrote all his songs using the Piano

there was very little exchanging ideas because he was not a fan of collaborating

in my humble opinion he was up there with the very best writers

I also prefer the Audio Period of Recording, Digital Vocals lose a lot of vocal

quality


Definitely a fan of less not more lyrically , what you will find with a Jim Web song

is every word sings , He often stated Lyrics should be written for the ear; and not

for the eye ,

Many top writers have ideas they have kicked around for years , and Web

would be no different to others in that respect.









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One of the most important principles of songwriting is to remember that a good song is a partnership of many different components, all working together to produce a satisfying musical experience.

In that respect, song components are either enhancing or compromising their combined effects.
#1146585 - 11/29/18 04:47 AM Re: Interesting post on Witchita Lineman [Re: Cheyenne]  
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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
JIM WEB ? Wrote all his songs using the Piano

Definitely a fan of less not more lyrically , what you will find with a Jim Web song

is every word sings , He often stated Lyrics should be written for the ear; and not

for the eye ,



I think lyric only writers could learn a LOT from that statement.

"HEAR the words, don't read the words. And I am not talking just musicality but give people just enough and let them fill in the blanks with their own lives and experience and that makes a lyric and song universal." -Brian Austin Whitney 11-29-18


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