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#1129841 - 08/13/17 10:31 PM Please Name This Tune!!!  
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Driving me crazy. Anyone know the name of this:

http://schicksville.com/WH_.mp3

Thanks, John

#1129844 - 08/13/17 11:47 PM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Sounds a bit like the start of "We'll Meet Again" by Vera Lynn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcunREYzNY

#1129845 - 08/14/17 01:02 AM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Melody is very similar Gavin, but that's not this.I'm almost certain it's a classical piece. At first the name "whispering Hope" came to mind. But a Google turned up an entirely different song with that name.



Best, John smile

#1129851 - 08/14/17 08:42 AM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Hi John:

Gavin does point out a similar and possibly borrowed portion of the original melody. The tune you shared is older than me... but I've heard it before and believe one of the composers from back in Mozart's era may have done the original. I wish my expert source was available to give us a clue... or better yet, the answer. Unfortunately, she is not in the best of health and I would not disturb her for this. I will keep digging, though, John. It always bugs me to the core to hear something so familiar and not be able to "name that tune." Thanks for the challenge of the day.

All the best, ----Dave

#1129853 - 08/14/17 09:13 AM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Thanks Dave. I remember this as a child. Probably played it on an accordion. The next part of this melody is definitely classical. I've got several people going crazy on the title. One sounded a bit annoyed that I placed that in his head. laugh

John smile

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Found it, well Sandra did. Melody in F by Anton Rubinstein. Ahh, what a relief.

John smile

#1129869 - 08/14/17 10:57 AM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Great job, John:

I have enough to "worry about" this week. I've been told Kim Jong Un is scheduled for a haircut and a lobotomy... LOL! Maybe then, our Nuke worries will be over for a week or two until Iran begins to feel empowered again.

Now I've gotta do some serious study about Anton Rubenstein. Obviously, he was not Irish... LOL!

Later, ----Dave

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Dave,

The name of the actually song was "Welcome Sweet Springtime". Used in this Andy Griffith show: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...1D1C3125D2E9623461BB1D1C&FORM=VRDGAR

John smile

#1129878 - 08/14/17 03:36 PM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Phew! Thank goodness you got it figured out, John. I was beginning to fear for your sanity.

#1129911 - 08/15/17 02:24 PM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Yeah, it was close Gavin. I was on the ledge ready to jump. laugh

Best, John smile

#1129919 - 08/15/17 05:45 PM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Dave,

The name of the actually song was "Welcome Sweet Springtime". Used in this Andy Griffith show: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...1D1C3125D2E9623461BB1D1C&FORM=VRDGAR

John smile


Disregard the comment below, John, I just read your post where you realized the name.... smile

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John,

The original composer is Rubinstein, "Melody In F". Like many pop songs, the Griffith show tune probably borrowed the melody. It's a tune given to many beginning students, in simplified form. I recognized it immediately having played it, like you, as a child, but I remembered the title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4YZj3-q-4Y

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#1129931 - 08/16/17 09:13 AM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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One of the interesting things about songwriting is how much we pick up in our memories we never realize from early days. I remember this song very well because I've seen that "Flat Barney" episode about a thousand times. But it goes into the entire "copyright" threads, because often the things people are so caught up in about "protecting my songs", actually might be something they have heard when they were young, picked up from television shows or commercials, and why it is so hard to actually find "truly unique and original. Why I am always very skeptical on the copyright issue.

Glad you got the answer John.

MAB

#1129933 - 08/16/17 09:35 AM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Hi Marc, John, Pat and Gavin:

Marc, your observation is "spot on" because as humans, most of us with musical inclinations tend to remember melodies or tunes from our past. Some of us remember things from "ancient times." I often "borrow material" (not intentionally) from the "Sons of the Pioneers." As a toddler, I would sit out on the front porch of my Granny's home listening to a Radio Show that featured them and other artists of that era. Then during that same era, when my Uncle would return home for brief visits between Army assignments during WWII, he would play classical works from his vast collection. Some I liked, some not so much... and some... such as Ravel's Bolero and Debussy's Claire de Lune... I enjoyed to the max. (Long before that scantily clad Babe on the Beach thing!) LOL!

Knowing that we are all "wired differently" when it comes to memory and music, it is interesting to know how music impacts nursing home patients, those suffering from Alzheimers (sp?) and others in Hospitals or confinement of any sort.

Later, during my teen years, it was amazing to discover how many Pop Songs (sounded nothing like what they call Pop today) were melodies borrowed from Masters and Composers. Warsaw Concerto was borrowed more than once but I'll be damned if I can remember what the second borrowing ending up being. "Tonight We Love" was the first.

Thanks for sharing that with us. ----Dave

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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Hi Marc, John, Pat and Gavin:

Marc, your observation is "spot on" because as humans, most of us with musical inclinations tend to remember melodies or tunes from our past. Some of us remember things from "ancient times." I often "borrow material" (not intentionally) from the "Sons of the Pioneers." As a toddler, I would sit out on the front porch of my Granny's home listening to a Radio Show that featured them and other artists of that era. Then during that same era, when my Uncle would return home for brief visits between Army assignments during WWII, he would play classical works from his vast collection. Some I liked, some not so much... and some... such as Ravel's Bolero and Debussy's Claire de Lune... I enjoyed to the max. (Long before that scantily clad Babe on the Beach thing!) LOL!

Knowing that we are all "wired differently" when it comes to memory and music, it is interesting to know how music impacts nursing home patients, those suffering from Alzheimers (sp?) and others in Hospitals or confinement of any sort.

Later, during my teen years, it was amazing to discover how many Pop Songs (sounded nothing like what they call Pop today) were melodies borrowed from Masters and Composers. Warsaw Concerto was borrowed more than once but I'll be damned if I can remember what the second borrowing ending up being. "Tonight We Love" was the first.

Thanks for sharing that with us. ----Dave


Okay, since I'm a bossa nova addict, I gotta chime in on your
'scantily clad babe on the beach thing'. I'm sure you mean "the Girl From Ipanema", which is completely original, not remotely similar to any classic ( that I know of ) and one of the biggest hits (in terms of covers) of all time (a hit in 1964), right up there with the Beatles's "Yesterday".

On the other hand, Jobim ( the composer of GFI ) borrowed a lot from Chopin's Prelude in E minor on his other well known song, "How Insensitive". But, at least Jobim admitted it.
Another tidbit of trivia, Tom Jobim and Vinicius De Moraes ( the lyricist ) were sitting in a bar when they came up with the idea for the song, based on a real girl, Heloísa Pinheiro, who often passed by the place. Later in her life, she opened up a boutique using the song title The Girl From Ipanema as it's name, and was sued, but she won the case and the locals in Rio were on her side.

http://www.garotadeipanema.com.br/

She looks great for being 72!

I'm a huge fan of Jobim and he is probably is one of my biggest influences

Yeah, a number of hits stole from the classics, how about Eric Carmens "All By Myself" whose verse was a carbon copy of a theme used in a Rachmaninoff concerto. How many songs ripped off Bach, especially Canon in D?


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Hey Pat:

Like you, I am a real fan of Bossa Nova plus a few other forms of Latin Music. To clarify my earlier post, I was referring to the beach scene where an actress who appeared in maybe two movies in her life... swivelled up the beach to Ravel's Bolero. Before that happened, I had made no bones about my appreciation for this strange classical melody. My classmates must have thought I was the very first dirty old man after that movie came out. LOL! Regretfully, I cannot remember her name or even the name of the movie. (Old age is a real burden!)

Jobim was a talent, indeed and "Ipanema" was probably the "standard" by which all other Bossas are measured. If my memory is correct, he is now deceased. I think the people of Brazil practically elevated him to near "Sainthood."

Glad to know there is another Bossa Fan here. When I spent a couple of years in Hawaii years ago, there was a band famous for their exotic music led by Martin Denny. They performed for a really long time at Don the Beachcombers right across the street from Waikiki. Quiet Village (2 releases) was their signature song... but I digress. They did perform a few latin and Bossa Nova numbers infrequently... but this group certainly had an influence on my music appreciation. The Kingston Trio also performed here and were a big draw for that establishment.

Regards, ----Dave

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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Hey Pat:

Like you, I am a real fan of Bossa Nova plus a few other forms of Latin Music. To clarify my earlier post, I was referring to the beach scene where an actress who appeared in maybe two movies in her life... swivelled up the beach to Ravel's Bolero. Before that happened, I had made no bones about my appreciation for this strange classical melody. My classmates must have thought I was the very first dirty old man after that movie came out. LOL! Regretfully, I cannot remember her name or even the name of the movie. (Old age is a real burden!)

Jobim was a talent, indeed and "Ipanema" was probably the "standard" by which all other Bossas are measured. If my memory is correct, he is now deceased. I think the people of Brazil practically elevated him to near "Sainthood."

Glad to know there is another Bossa Fan here. When I spent a couple of years in Hawaii years ago, there was a band famous for their exotic music led by Martin Denny. They performed for a really long time at Don the Beachcombers right across the street from Waikiki. Quiet Village (2 releases) was their signature song... but I digress. They did perform a few latin and Bossa Nova numbers infrequently... but this group certainly had an influence on my music appreciation. The Kingston Trio also performed here and were a big draw for that establishment.

Regards, ----Dave


Hey Dave, thanks for clearing that up, anyway, glad to know there's another here who likes the kind of music I do. I compose in Brazilian jazz and a few boleros in the mix, and some vintage jazz pieces, etc. I love both Les Baxter's orchestra version of Quiet Village and Martin Denny's, my mom had a bunch of the exotic albums and I listened to them when i was a kid in the early 60s. I love Mancini's "Lujon" as well, a quintessential exotica tune ( probably on YouTube ).

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"Marc, your observation is "spot on" because as humans, most of us with musical inclinations tend to remember melodies or tunes from our past."

Dave, it's hit me in some very interesting ways. I have had an interesting career since starting around 1974 at writing and performing music. While never having a "hit record", I have been fortunate enough to have a few songs that are often remembered and known by industry and regular listeners alike. And some are still requested today, even on the songwriter's festival I was just at last week.

I have been known for always having one of those "barn burners" at the end of the night in my shows. Those that everyone seems to know and sing along with. One of those served me well in Nashville for many years. Called "Can't Blame Nobody But Me" it was a big soulful Gospel type country song that became one of my most requested songs.

A few years after establishing it around town and other places, I was in Miami Fla. doing a guest lecture for a songwriter's class at a college and the guy I was staying with was a drummer and Joe Cocker fanatic. He was playing some old Joe records and one of the songs were almost IDENTICAL melodically to my song. I knew I had never heard Joe do it before, and read the liner notes on the Album. Remember those things?
I found out that it was actually an old RAY CHARLES song from the 50's. My Dad had been a HUGE Ray Charles fan (as am I now), and had been playing all his records around the house when I was 3 or 4 years old. That is obviously where I had picked up the melody and progression.

I still do the song, and it gets the same results. But I freely admit that I have picked up things over the years that sound like other things. It's just part of learning to write music. Inevitable.

MAB

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#1130073 - 08/22/17 08:14 AM Re: Please Name This Tune!!! [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Very difficult to describe a Bossa Nova. Many American made bossa novas aren't really bossa novas. This description sounds about right: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-characteristics-of-bossa-nova

John smile

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Hi John: I tried the "link" twice. Each time... it "timed out" and never displayed. Thought you should know.

Pat: Wow, do we have some similar influences. I'll run through my catalog and dig out some of my latin and bossa songs and post them on my "showcase" later today if time permits.

Marc: Thanks for that interesting story. Ray Charles was such an impressive musician, singer and talent. His influence is still being felt in today's music scene. "Sounds like" is a familiar expression... and subliminally, we probably all do it without being aware.

Later, ----Dave

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Hmm... just tried it Dave. Works fine on this end.

John smile

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Works fine, now... JOHN:

I'll blame it on Windows 10 for lack of a better reason. Samba, eh? We poor "Yanquis" never seem to be where we need to be at the right time... LOL!

Thanks for sharing, ----Dave


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"Our enemies may not be who we think they are. They are not Major Label monopolies. The world will always have 'majors.' They are not big corporations who own everything. The world will always have 'big' ones. Our enemies are not the loud mouthed critics telling us we will fail. The world will always have those too. Our most dangerous enemy is our own quiet acceptance of the fate we perceive these entities have mapped out for us. The only danger is our own complacency, or inactivity, and our willingness to believe so called experts who tell us we 'can't' and that our grim fate is inevitable." -Brian Austin Whitney
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