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#1128955 - 07/10/17 08:38 PM One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7  
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ONE NIGHT STOLE FOREVER
Song 2 of 7 (in a story)

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=1245656&songID=13598309

https://soundcloud.com/user-560839147/one-night-stole-forever

https://www.reverbnation.com/skunkofhoustontexas?profile_view_source=header_icon_nav

Lyrics and Musical Structure by Martin Lide
Lead vocals by Martin Lide
Guitar solo in instrumental bridge by Martin Lide
Rhythm Guitar by Martin Lide

Sound Engineering and production Michael Zaneski
All other instrumentation whether real or virtual by Michael Zaneski
Backing vocals by Michael Zaneski
Guitar Solo in the outro by Michael Zaneski
Every time you hear a cranky cool "spaghetti Western-ish" guitar fill...that's Michael Zaneski.

This song is 2 of 7 in a song story and will become part of a score for an audio-book that
Michael is going to help me record. This song describes a voicemail by a betrayed lover
left on the cell phone of the betrayer.

This will probably be the last song that I put up on a song site until the audio-book is
complete and at least a dozen book publishers and/or literary agents have declined it.
Hey, got nothing to lose by trying. wink

The lyrics are in lyrics 3.

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#1128967 - 07/11/17 07:46 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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I enjoyed the second "chapter" of this "novel" and hope you've found a way to "open the lock to the money chest." Best of luck in this interesting project. There is a publisher out there... and no doubt, you will find them. Interesting concept and from what I've heard thus far, destined for good things. Z's work certainly enhances this creative story. See you when you have the time. Happy trails! ----Dave

#1128974 - 07/11/17 09:13 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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#1128975 - 07/11/17 09:16 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
I enjoyed the second "chapter" of this "novel" and hope you've found a way to "open the lock to the money chest." Best of luck in this interesting project. There is a publisher out there... and no doubt, you will find them. Interesting concept and from what I've heard thus far, destined for good things. Z's work certainly enhances this creative story. See you when you have the time. Happy trails! ----Dave


Thanks Dave.

An unknown author's chances are no better than an unknown songwriters, but it'll be fun to try.

#1129052 - 07/15/17 01:06 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Martin (and Mike),

This opens with such drive and emotion musically—having heard the first chapter I can feel the transition to his point of view. A strong follow up, solid all the way through. I’ll offer one suggestion that struck me each time I listened (and, yes, I listened multiple times). I love the line “When you're the one that done it, not the one done to.” I might go for “When you’re the one that done it, not the one you done it to.” I know it adds two extra syllables, but there’s room for it and, to me at least a rhythm in the saying. As Eddie would say, "use or lose". Loved the listen, the performance—all. Keep it coming!!

Regards,

Deej

#1129061 - 07/15/17 05:45 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Hello Martin & Mike,

This is all sounding so good.
Good luck to you & your BIG FUN PROJECT.

Calvin

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#1129062 - 07/15/17 08:16 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Deej56]  
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Deej

Thanks for listening multiple times and offering a suggestion.

When I first wrote that part of the lyric, I wrote it exactly as you said. Then, I was singing it with the guitar and it abbreviated itself without me really intending that. I ended up going with the abbreviated version because I liked the way that it "landed" emotionally.

"not-the one-you done-it to." (bum-pa bum-pa bum-pa bang)

"Not-the one-done-to." (bum-pa bang bang bang)

Now that I'm looking at it again, I'm not sure that I like the version that I used better. wink

This little project with the written chapters has turned into a much larger endeavor than I thought it would. IF...a real publishing house or agent takes a liking to it (and not some outfit that is just churning editing fees) then the entire thing will be back on the drawing board. I'll keep your comment in mind and appreciate you making it.

Martin



#1129063 - 07/15/17 08:16 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Thanks Calvin smile

#1129064 - 07/15/17 09:27 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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So emotional and well put together, Martin. You have a great team. smile Looking forward to the next installments. Tell me again why you won't be posting them here?

Ricki

#1129069 - 07/15/17 02:10 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Great stuff, Martin. It pulls you in.
What form does this project of yours take?

#1129071 - 07/15/17 02:52 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Originally Posted by Ricki E. Bellos
So emotional and well put together, Martin. You have a great team. smile Looking forward to the next installments. Tell me again why you won't be posting them here?

Ricki


Ricki

I'm very glad that you asked that because it gives me a chance to expose my ignorance and maybe learn somethiing.

Background...

Rather than writing to a hook, I wrote a situational song story about a young couple from Cheyenne, Wyoming.
It involved a love of your life relationship that was destroyed by an indiscreet night. The story went from
start thru destruction thru desire to reconcile to resolution.

Then I decided to write a short story about the song story figuring that it would be 6000-10000 words.
So far, Chapter one is 20,000 words and so is chapter two. The seven songs will turn into seven chapters.
It looks like I'm headed for 80,000 to 100,000 words. A short novel.

I decided to shoot for an audio-book complete with complimenting songs. I'm gonna recite the book myself which is
harder than one would think...and intersperse the songs. All with the help of the very talented Michael Zaneski.

Going forward only on intuition and what I have found on the web...

These days an unknown writer has to pay a real publisher to review their work.
It seems that two chapters is what a lot of them want to see to conclude whether it is any good or not.
Of course, I enjoy my writing but I have no idea if someone in the book business would see it as meritorious or just a
string of tired and poorly written cliches that would interest no one enough to purchase.

I'm personally convinced that if you have a good idea but are not "connected" and post it on the web, then some
writer or agent is going to steal the idea and give it to someone that they control. Re: Chelsea Clinton and the current lawsuit against her children's book.

The dilemma starts to look like seven card stud.
Seven cards or chapters with two exposed to view to show that you have something and five cards down to make it hard to know what all you might have.

And as I stated, that assumes that it is meritorious and not just a string of tired cliches.

Ricki...I hope that answers your question.

#1129072 - 07/15/17 02:58 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Great stuff, Martin. It pulls you in.
What form does this project of yours take?


Thank you Gavin. Please see the post that I addressed to Ricki. I tried to explain what my project is.

#1129076 - 07/15/17 10:10 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Martin, 80,000 words is not a short novel. It's about standard length. 20,000 words is a huge chapter! I haven't seen it obviously, but have you thought of dividing the book into parts and having chapters within each part?
Don't pay a publisher to look at your work. And certainly don't pay to be published. Better to do it all yourself.

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#1129088 - 07/16/17 10:31 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Gavin Sinclair]  
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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Martin, 80,000 words is not a short novel. It's about standard length. 20,000 words is a huge chapter! I haven't seen it obviously, but have you thought of dividing the book into parts and having chapters within each part?
Don't pay a publisher to look at your work. And certainly don't pay to be published. Better to do it all yourself.


Thanks Gavin.

I'm already learning something. I thought that Novels started at about 80k words and went up from there. I do have the first two chapters divided into five or six sections each as subtitles. My only beta reader so far is my wife (who is not an expert but an avid fiction reader) and she said that I needed to create sections to keep the reader oriented. I'm trying to stay with the idea of one chapter per song.

My goal is to complete the audio-books and then find a dozen people truly in the business to present them to. I'm thinking a dozen reactions will tell me if I'm any good or not. I don't mind paying for that if they are the real deal.

Would never pay a "dream-churner" to publish the audio-books. That would be wasted money. If I am told that there is nothing exceptional about my stuff, I plan to finish anyway and put it up on some free download site somewhere...and have done it. Will be able to scratch... "writing a book and gave it a shot"... off of my bucket list.

I appreciate your feed back. Anything else that you want to share that will keep me from stumbling in the dark is appreciated.

Martin

#1129091 - 07/16/17 10:50 AM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Ricki E. Bellos]  
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Originally Posted by Ricki E. Bellos
So emotional and well put together, Martin. You have a great team. smile Looking forward to the next installments. Tell me again why you won't be posting them here?

Ricki


Ricki

I forgot to say thank you for the encouragement.

And yes...working with the "Michael Zaneski Orchestra" is very pleasurable. What I've learned in doing a handful of songs with him is that...if we have a difference of opinion on something musical, there is a 99% chance that I am going to end up going back to what he suggested in the first place. After two or three of those occurrences, once I give him some stems, I stay out of his way.

Martin

#1129092 - 07/16/17 01:54 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Brilliant! Fresh! Interesting!

Vic


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#1129094 - 07/16/17 02:36 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Vicarn]  
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Originally Posted by Vicarn
Brilliant! Fresh! Interesting!

Vic



Thanks Vic.

I tell ya...I have songwriter pal here in Houston who I enjoy running into from time to time. He suggested that I pay someone who spun off NSAI 25 bucks to evaluate one of my songs. He said that if that person likes it they might plug it in Nashville. So I did. The response I got (paraphrased)...

The lyric is well written and the music is good but I don't think anyone would listen to it twice". ;(

My point? I have a well developed mental and emotional gear for hearing that kind of assessment about my songs....but "Brilliant!"...I had to sit and look at that for a few seconds. I wish it were true but don't think that it is, nevertheless, thank you for writing something so kind and encouraging. smile

If there is any brilliance in the recording...it's in the sensibilities of Michael.

Martin

#1129125 - 07/17/17 11:53 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Dave, Deej, Calvin, Ricki, Gavin, and Vic:

Martin and I have a lot of overlap in our musical appreciation, so it's easy for me to arrange and produce rather intuitively and know that I'm at least hitting the mark somewhat.

Plus, I think I mentioned before, his own guitar work gives me lots of ideas in and of itself, in terms of doubling and harmonizing with other instruments. It's full of hammer-ons and pull-offs and chordal suspensions and is pretty damn contrapuntal for a mostly non-fingerpicking style.

Anyway, thanks friends.

And Martin, you aren't afraid to let a serious song be serious, and carry emotional weight, without attempting to offset that weight with witty this and that.

Your story songs feel true and from the heart. smile

Mike

Last edited by Michael Zaneski; 07/17/17 11:54 PM.

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Fortune depends on the tone of your voice

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#1129192 - 07/20/17 11:25 PM Re: One Night Stole Forever #2 of 7 [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Dave, Deej, Calvin, Ricki, Gavin, and Vic:

Martin and I have a lot of overlap in our musical appreciation, so it's easy for me to arrange and produce rather intuitively and know that I'm at least hitting the mark somewhat.

Plus, I think I mentioned before, his own guitar work gives me lots of ideas in and of itself, in terms of doubling and harmonizing with other instruments. It's full of hammer-ons and pull-offs and chordal suspensions and is pretty damn contrapuntal for a mostly non-fingerpicking style.

Anyway, thanks friends.

And Martin, you aren't afraid to let a serious song be serious, and carry emotional weight, without attempting to offset that weight with witty this and that.

Your story songs feel true and from the heart. smile

Mike



Thanks as always Mike. Be talking to you soon.

Martin


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