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#1127879 - 05/19/17 12:58 PM BMI - DOJ litigation info  
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Received the following via email. Thought I'd share.


Dear BMI member,

As you know, BMI has been engaged in ongoing litigation with the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) over its interpretation of our consent decree. Last summer, the DOJ wanted to implement a 100% licensing model, which BMI fought against in court and won. In a victory for the entire music industry, federal Judge Louis Stanton ruled that BMI is free to continue its longstanding practice of fractional licensing. We expected the DOJ to appeal that decision, and they did. Today, the DOJ moved that effort forward by filing a brief in support of its appeal.

We were ready for this development and are well prepared to once again fight on your behalf to protect your rights, royalties and creative freedom. The DOJ's action today is part of the standard appeals process and BMI's next step will be to file our response sometime before the fall. We expect this process to continue into 2018, and we will of course, keep you updated.

We believe Judge Stanton's decision is correct and will vigorously defend our position. However, please know that if we ultimately have to operate in a 100% licensing world, we will make it work on our end, without changing how you create music and conduct business. We just don't believe we should have to or that our consent decree requires us to.

Below is my statement to the press regarding today's brief:

While we are not surprised the DOJ chose to pursue its appeal, we still hope for the opportunity to sit down with the new administration and educate it about the chaos that would result in the marketplace if the DOJ's interpretation of BMI's consent decree were implemented. The DOJ's 100% licensing position, an entirely new interpretation never raised by the Department before, unfairly advantages music users at the expense of the American songwriter and upends a longstanding industry practice that has worked effectively for decades. We believe Judge Stanton's decision is correct and look forward to vigorously defending our position in the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.¯

Mike O'Neill
BMI President & CEO


"Where there's a Gill, there's a way"
#1127880 - 05/19/17 01:22 PM Re: BMI - DOJ litigation info [Re: David Gill]  
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Hi David:

Thanks for sharing. Hats off to BMI for standing up to a bunch of career lawyers going out on a limb for some special interest party. I'm hoping the new administration will stop this kind of activity because Songwriters and Artists are being squeezed more with each passing day... and each new regulation designed to pick our already bare pockets.

If my memory is correct, ASCAP joined the suit or provided "friend of the defense" support.

Regards, ----Dave

#1127888 - 05/20/17 07:18 AM Re: BMI - DOJ litigation info [Re: David Gill]  
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Not sure how this 100% licensing would work. Would it be forced upon writers, artist, publishers, etc.? confused

#1127890 - 05/20/17 11:13 AM Re: BMI - DOJ litigation info [Re: David Gill]  
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Everett,

Yes, it would be forced on everyone. One PRO would be licencing the song. Which would mean in places like Nashville, it would probably end co-writes between people of different PRO's. SESAC people would only write with SESAC people, ASCAP with ASCAP people, BMI with BMI people, etc. In places where there is only one PRO, it probably wouldn't have much affect Just another wrinkle in a business that is all running so perfectly. Just one more hurdle to deal with in a business that is nothing BUT hurdles.

MAB

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#1127893 - 05/20/17 11:27 AM Re: BMI - DOJ litigation info [Re: David Gill]  
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Does anyone know why the DOJ took and pursued the position that they did?

#1127922 - 05/21/17 09:51 PM Re: BMI - DOJ litigation info [Re: David Gill]  
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Hi Martin:

It began (along with a great deal of anti-songwriting stuff) during the previous administration. Even the Copyright Office had it's head replaced by someone not yet proven to be reliable or capable.

I don't know where all of this will end... but our current administration is being kept busy putting out fires being set by media unfriendly to Trump.
Politics seems to have become a really ugly thing.

----Dave


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