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#601447 - 03/28/08 03:52 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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Ray E. Strode
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Humm, You are basically paying for a demo. Are they asking for part of copyright as co-writer's or do you own it all? Did you get back a copy of the song and what is your opinion of the finished product?
You can get pretty good demos in Nashville for about $220.00 or so. The question is are your lyrics ready to shop to contacts.
I don't know about this company but a lot of them don't care how good your lyrics are and will demo anyone's lyrics as long as you will pay.
You might try posting your lyrics on one of the lyric boards for some comments before you spend any more money.
Ray E. Strode
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#601807 - 03/29/08 02:42 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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I see this question a lot on songwriting boards, unfortunately.
And my answer is always the same: NEVER pay anyone to write music for your lyrics. That's called a CO-WRITE. That means you each equally share in the ownership of the song, and equally share in any income from it, and equally share in the cost of making the demo, if any. You sign a co-writing agreement. If your contributions can be separated, then include a reversion clause for a reasonable length of time (3 to 5 years) that says if the song goes nowhere within that period, your respective contributions revert back to you.
In terms of the publishing agreement you made - is it exclusive? If it is exclusive, one should always get a reversion clause. Similar to the above... if the song is not placed within a certain period, the publishing / copyright reverts back to you. There's nothing wrong with signing an agreement with a publisher that gives them 100% of publishing and you 100% of songwriting.
Unfortunately you should have had legal advice from a qualified entertainment lawyer before signing any agreement to do with your creative property.
So the deed is done, and what can you do about it? Well, they made $250 off you - which, is not too bad in terms of a cost for a demo. And, if you are lucky, they will the place the song, and you get a credit or credits for that. In addition, you will receive royalties for radio play, etc. If they don't place the song, and you don't have a reversion clause, it might be possible after certain length of time, to see if you can terminate your agreement.
So here's what I do right now. Keep writing. Keep writing. Keep writing. Find yourself co-writers & collaborators. Trust that you will write even better lyrics. Learn to play an instrument like piano or guitar well enough that you can write your own melodies or at least participate in the development of music for your lyrics. Did I mention, keep writing.
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#612458 - 05/04/08 03:29 AM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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Obviously the story, as you relate it, would suggest he's a scam artist... Thanks for the first hand recap. $850 is excessive for a demo in the first place, and for that money, you should get an amazing result at worst.
Brian
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#612565 - 05/04/08 04:21 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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Emily Sanders
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PLEASE be careful. There are SO many of these scam artists that prey on ambitious songwriters. You can get some excellent advice on this site...especially on the art of detecting sharks like this one. Good luck  Emily
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#613695 - 05/08/08 04:46 AM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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If you're not supposed to pay for someone to put music to your lyrics then what would you call "work for hire", you know some of us have no choice but to pay for that service and I wouldn't base it as them being a song shark, You NEVER pay anyone to write music for your lyrics. That is a CO-WRITE - meaning both of you share ownership of the song, any income from the song, & share the cost of demoing the song. I have been the composer of music for someone else's lyrics, and I have been the lyric-writer where someone else has put my words to music. Probably 50 to 75 times in the past 5 years and NOT ONCE have I paid anyone to co-write with me. I suggest you read John Braheny's "The Craft & the Business of Songwriting" and "6 Steps to Songwriting Success" by Jason Blume & get educated about how the industry really works. Many many songs are co-written.
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#613779 - 05/08/08 01:45 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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Do your homework, folks. Don't ask a car dealer to determine if you need a new car.
Would you go into a sporting goods store and ask the clerk if you're ready for pro quality, expensive golf clubs? How about going to a music store like Sam Ash, and asking the salesman if you play well enough to buy a $2,000 guitar?
In Meredith Wilson's wonderful stageplay and movie, "The Music Man," Early in the last century's small town America, Prof. Harold Hill makes his living by travelling across the country selling band instruments to parents. His pitch isn't that the instruments are of a good quality and well-suited for someone who is beginning to play, it is that there will be a band to play Sunday afternoon and your child will be up on the town square gazebo in a striking band uniform with a shiny new instrument playing Souza marches and band waltzes with precision and emotion for the townsfolk.
Nowdays, we open our emails to read about a Nigerian princess who needs you, a stranger, to cash her check for $4,000 so she can split her inheritance with you.
I'm not familiar with the business on this thread. The model is an old one. Grow someone's self-image. We used to call them "vanity" record companies, and before that there was a "vanity" press. "We will publish your poetry." "We will publish your novel." This evolved into "Send us your lyrics." Probably most of these businesses operate legally. They provide what they say they will. The problem is when the songwriter looks to the vanity record company to make a critical analysis as to whether or not their songs are good enough to be cut...or to be a hit. That's when you might as well be asking the auto dealer if you need the new car.
Songwriters, singers, musicians. Develop a team. Do a search on this forum for "team." Develop a team of advisors who will help you in your decisions. Who will protect you from yourself. Otherwise you'll be playing a D chord on a $5,000 handmade Spanish classical guitar.
All the Best, Mike
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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#929088 - 10/20/11 07:42 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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Nca music publishing is a BIG SCAM, Eric and Richard Woodsome, are scam artist. I warn you, you are wasting valuable time with these two. they will leave flat, without anything, just lost of your money, they don't abide by their own contract. They will not stand by what is in their own contract. They will con you out, as much money,as they can, promising they are shopping your songs. LIES...They have many, who are taking them into Federal courts, for all the wrong, they are doing. Stay clear of these guys, or you will suffer the same fate as so many,many others.. They are not to be trusted. Claiming to be Men of God, please, they will rob you blind in and out of the church.. PROFESSIONAL CONS!!
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#929090 - 10/20/11 07:51 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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I'm indeed, taking legal actions, against NCA Music, along with HFA, the largest publishing company in the world. Nca has a host of people, seeking to take same action. They are the worse kind of company, so many BBB has been filed against, check what the BBB says about these crooks. Don't be fooled by the kind words, empty promises, they do not stand by their own contracts. They are not the kind of people, you would want to work with. They have lied, cheated, and continue to do what is right. They are crooks. and will do the same to you, should you take chance, on working with them, they have a long list of unhappy customers. They are wolves, in sheep clothing. A class actions suit, is also pending against these crooks. Soon, they will no longer be able to rob, and take advantage of others. Anyone, who does not stand behind their own contract, is not worth your time, or your songs. This is merely a warning, to save others, time, money, and the cost of an legal team. RUN FROM THEM(NCA music pub/Eric Zanetics, Richard C. Woodsome..THEY ARE CROOKS!!
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#929141 - 10/20/11 11:37 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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MSSHABAZZ, If HFA is the Harry Fox Agency they are not a Publishing Company but rather a Licening Agency that works with the Publisher's that sign up with their service. Unless something has changed, Harry Fox is a very reputable company.
If someone has conned you to use their service to write music to your lyrics they are probably just a demo service. If they got the rights to one of your lyrics/songs you would had to have signed a Publishing Contract. Most likely they "Offered" you a contract to make you think your song was going somewhere. It is an old ploy as old as the hills and isn't worth the paper it's written on. good luck.
Ray E. Strode
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#1126365 - 04/08/17 04:21 PM
Re: Eric Zanetis and NCA Records - Is this a scam
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I find it hilarious that someone would dig up a 9 year old message board post about a bad experience with "your friend" and now here you are riding in to save the day a bit late and renewing the complaints for new people to see. .
To be clear, I do not know you, or the person being discussed. I stated the story, as described by the posted above my response was a common scam. Are you suggesting the deal you described "Troy Martin" was the result of an amateur Lyric only writer who paid $250 dollars to have his lyrics set to music and then Zanetis wrote that music and their co-write was a big hit equal to "Don't Take The Girl?" If not, then your story is meaningless. I mean not only meaningless (because it has zero to do with the claim made and that success story has zero to do with the services being offered. In fact. what you have done REEKS of scam artist tactics. Often someone with legit successes uses those to scam newbies who assume they too will find that success. If your story is meant to suggest that similar success could come to either of those complainants, that would be false advertising and dishonest business practices. It should come with a disclaimer that the success you mentioned in no way suggests that paid customers of his services should expect similar success.
To ANYONE who thinks they can pay someone money to "co-write" (which is dishonest as a co-write is an equal partnership with 50/50 split in ownership and publishing, both people's names attached and equal shares of all expenses. At best what it REALLY is is a lame bastardization work for hire scam (though there was no mention of it) where the underlying music remains the sole property of the party who is also collecting the money meaning he could use it over and over again if he wanted, or for that matter, if it was actually any good, he could separate it from the lyric completely use different lyrics, have a hit song and pay nothing to the sucker OP who paid him $250 dollars for nothing. It's not how legit business is done. It is how people with varying successes (or sometimes no successes) scam clueless newbies out of their money.
Then the complainant who posted about paying $850 for a demo and ended up with a piece of garbage recording worse than their original demo, well that is also a scam as described.
Troy, (if you are Troy, anyone can claim to be anyone) unless you are part of Zanetis' company, your opinion (and credits) have no relevance. Bernie Madoff had a lot of successful friends too. If you think the two practices as described above are legitimate business practices, then you're part of the problem. If, on the other hand, Zanetis does not offer those services, then it's irrelevant because no one has to worry about it. Ironically, this LONG dormant post is now resurrected by you and thus Google and everyone else will crawl this old but now still active post and dramatically bump up it's presence any time any of the names are searched.
My comments are based on the practises as described above. To be clear, no one should be paying to co-write with anyone, and a legit "work for hire" would mean the person paying the money would have complete ownership of the entire composition AND the publishing in exchange for payment and the person receiving the payment would have no further ownership, publishing or any other legal rights or interests in the resulting song. If anyone doesn't understand WORK FOR HIRE, get a book on Songwriting by John Braheny or Jason Blume and educate yourself. By doing so you'll likely avoid being scammed in the first place.
PS: These are not the only complaints on Mr. Zanetis' people have commented on here, at events and on the web over the years, though I haven't heard the name this decade until the person claiming to be Troy Martin (remember folks, do not EVER trust that someone is who they say they are on the Internet, there's little way to know) dug it out of the archive and made it new again.
PPS: And I hadn't even noticed all the additional complaints below my original response. Man, you didn't do anything but dig up a lot of bad news for your "friend".
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#1126425 - 04/11/17 12:45 AM
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I don't know anything about any of this, but please, let's be clear...it's Mr. Zanetis whose dealings are in question, not Mr. Zaneski. Poor Mike would be appalled!  Ricki Ha! I had to retyping the name due to the habit of typing the Good Mr Zaneski's name. I think the real Mr. Zaneski would understand... =)
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#1126426 - 04/11/17 12:45 AM
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Names are awful close!!! Now we know what Mr. Hitla feels like. Are you talking about Kyle Hitla? RIMSHOT
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#1126462 - 04/11/17 01:20 PM
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Names are awful close!!! Now we know what Mr. Hitla feels like. Are you talking about Kyle Hitla? RIMSHOT Names are awful close!!! Now we know what Mr. Hitla feels like. Are you talking about Kyle Hitla? RIMSHOT Hey...My remark was intended to be a rimshot. Thank you. 
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#1127861 - 05/18/17 05:39 PM
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I guess he crawled back under his rock.
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#1128146 - 06/01/17 03:54 AM
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The funniest thing is that now nearly 50K people have been warned to stay away from these practices, saving them tons and tons of money and heartache. The person claiming to be Troy sure warned anyone searching for these names to be careful and reconsider.
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