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#268175 - 04/25/02 01:20 AM Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Hey all,

I sent the original version of this song into the NSAI song evaluations service. It came back with some pretty constructive criticism so my co-writer and I sat down and ended up re-writing all the verses. We kept the same chorus and bridge. I'd like to get some feedback on the song as it stands now. [Linked Image]

Thanks in advance,
Ashleigh

TOMORROW NEVER COMES
©2002 Ashleigh Wehmeyer & Mike Weaver

V1
You come home from work at night and want your time alone
You can’t see the kids are so excited that your home
You sit down in your lazy boy, the paper in your hand
You tell ‘em your too tired to play, but they don’t understand

V2
Johnny needs his diaper changed, but you don’t have the time
I’d like dinner out for two, but you won’t spare the dime
The office calls you here at home and you put us on hold
We eat supper by ourselves while yours is getting’ cold

Chorus
When I ask you for your help you say, later
When I ask you for a kiss you say, not now
When the children want to talk you say, tomorrow
But tomorrow never comes here in this house

V3
You’re lyin’ right beside me, but it feels like your not here
There used to be a time when you would whisper in my ear
But now our bedroom’s just become another place to sleep
In your dreams you’re countin’ money while i’m here counting sheep

Chorus [Repeat]

Bridge
You won’t have to worry about givin’ the boys a bath
And you won’t have to worry about helpin’ with their math
'Cause we won’t be around here trouble you no more
We’re goin’ back to mama’s, back to Baltimore

Chorus [Repeat]

#268177 - 04/25/02 02:45 AM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Long time no see a post Ashliegh.
To me this is a winge.
As there is a daiper to change (and i found time very occassionally to do that before you all get fiesty) I would hope the missus is home tending the kids like she should be.
Old bloke is out slaving and yep. He want to read the paper, or watch a bit of TV to see what hapened i the world while he was doing said slaving.
If he was out playing up then I would say you go girl.
Word wise. I think "Sick of counting sheep" would work better by implication.assocciaton/inueno.
The trot off to Baltomore was a bit sudden for me. And wonder why we need to lnow at that late stage where Momma lives.
Regards.
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#268178 - 04/25/02 05:31 AM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Hi Ash,
This is funny cuz that's Waynes famous saying-I'll do it tomorrow--lol BUT not when it comes to me or the kids thank god--so I can relate [Linked Image]
Just a few nits really otherwise written pretty darn good.....now YA KNOW Graham----And I did see you changed a (few)diapers but I'll still get fiesty!!!!I'd just about like to pop ya in the head [Linked Image]whew!! Old school or what???
These days.....least round these parts the men are not afraid to pitch in--kids, housework n'all....
No reason for a woman to have to work 24 hrs a day--so your "home tending the kids like she should be" is.....ummm unbelievable!Oohhhh You wouldn't last long in my home!
Boy that felt good to vent---
Oh the song hehe-
Ash- I know you usually have a melody in mind but if not I can see a lot of condensing that could be done--if you had to.
Actually if you could make it clear in this somewhere that this has been growing and going on forever it might make it more believable as to her leaving.Graham [Linked Image]
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#268179 - 04/25/02 10:48 AM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Hi Ashleigh, long time no see - hope all is well with you and the new little one. Good to see you've still got time to do some writing (while hubby's changing nappies and helping with the chores...LOL). What you've got here is written well, though it does seem a bit wordy (agree with Pam) but if music's in place, probably not a problem. I'm afraid I have to go with Graham on one thing - it does sound like a big whinge to me and I would have liked to see an attempt by her (and him) to try some kind of solution before running home to Mum in Baltimore. Unfortunately, the story is pretty typical of a lot of marriages. Cheers, Judy

#268180 - 04/25/02 03:50 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Only thing that stuck out to me negatively is one tiny thing. I'd drop the 'here' in the last line of the chorus. Honestly, that's all I could come up with. This is a sad and powerful lyric. Hope you get the right tune to go along with it. Nice writing!

Corey

P.S. I've changed many a diaper lately...lol. I just don't do the late, late night shift...that's the only problem my wife has had with my baby rearing skills. [Linked Image]

#268181 - 04/25/02 07:46 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Hey all,

Noel & Corey--Thanks for taking a peek. I will see how that sings with those words changes. We have already demoed the original version, but will be going back into the studio to cut the re-write. The tune is set, butI look for anything that will make it sound better. [Linked Image] Any helps is appreciated, Corey, believe me.

Graham and Judy--You guys are hardcore! [Linked Image] It is so interesting how people connect with songs. First--Thank you for sharing what you think. If you think it then surely someone else will too. I assume that by winge you mean "whine" in American. Where to begin--I think you are missing the point on this one--it might be my fault. They want him, not his money. He's a workaholic that is chasing the all mighty dollar. I tried to make the lyric supports this.

Warning--parental philosophy coming! [Linked Image] It is my opinion that when you don't have kids--the wife can give you fifteen minutes to yourself when you come home. However, when you have kids that run to hug you when you come in the door because they adore you so much, you don't get that luxury. The parents decided to have the kids, not the other way around. It is my experience that if you give your kids 15-20 minutes of uninterrupted time--they are so happy. They feel special and like you are actually happy to be home and seeing them. Spend a little undivided time with them and they'll be the ones to disengage--to want to play something else or watch a show, etc. I don't hear too many people on their death beds that say--"Damn, I wish I'd read more editions of the NY Times." I hope not anyway. Most people have regrets about the time they spend with their family. My husband chages the kids' diapers when I'm busy "working" on something else. I also tried to convey the fact that this guy is a little miserly with my choice of verbs--He "won't" spend the dime vs. "can't" spare it. Whew--okay--the blood pressure is coming back to normal. I'm starting to feel like myself again. [Linked Image] As a stay-at-home mom/aspiring songwriter, I taking the whole whining thing with a little bristle. If the guy was just a hard working guy trying to scrap up a living for his family that he adores and his wife was like--"See ya" I would agree. I thought the 3rd verse showed that this had been going on for a while. I will have to go back and take a look some more--I thought I proved by bridge, but perhaps not. I was going to chalk it up to a gender thing until Judy chimed in. [Linked Image]

Pam--I'm with you girlfriend! [Linked Image] As for the songs--They are long lyrics. I was trying to paint a picture of this family's life. We'll have to see how it sings. [Linked Image]

It's great to be back among the writing! [Linked Image]

Ashleigh

#268182 - 04/25/02 10:49 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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me again Ashliegh. Look out Folks. Pam's gunna blow a fuse. I just know it.
You just gave yoiurself the answer to this one's problem Ahliegh.
A workaholic would most likely not be hitting the lazyboy and fencing himself in with the paper. He would have listened to the news and any market reports effecing his line of work as he travelled twix jobs.
The ic you got hereis a regular joe wanting to have a few minutes to catch up on world events in the home he is working hard to buy and maintain for him and the family.
Yep Winge is a whine.
As someone who wqas in contracting for many years. I realy used to hate the fact the pone would ring just about every time I sat down for a meal. Both breakfast and supper but I and my fami\ly realised the farmers I worked for knew the only time i wsa near a phone was morning and evenings.
new clients quickly got told if they rang after 9,30 evenings or before 6 in the morning, they would be in deep manure because i needed my sleep and didn'rt want the kids woke up anyway.
The fix. You need to make it clear the house and budget are secure. That this guy is working to avoid closeness maybe.
She knows the daiper needs changing. Using current trends she is probably using throw aways anyways, so big deal, she can go change it then let the old man have a nurse of the nice clean bub while he reads his paper and waits for the drink she are going to make to hold him until the kids are tucked in and they can enjoy that romantic litle dinner for two she's been working on all day as a special treat for the both of them being as finances ain't quite up to affording a nice eat dinner yet.
Would have been a lot harder for her mum to do given she had that pile of nappies to doevery day instead of throw 'em in the trash. Bet she would have found time though.
What was that Bob Dillon song now?
Regards.
Graham




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#268183 - 04/26/02 12:50 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Graham,

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think as a good guy yourself, you are feeling the need to defend this guy. Trust me, he ain't worth it. [Linked Image] Thanks for coming back and reading my response. Hope you'll bring your same honesty to my next post. Friends? [Linked Image] LOL.

Keep posting,
Ashleigh

#268184 - 04/26/02 01:43 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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HIDee Ashleigh!

Wow...she's Shufflin' Off to Baltimore, Eh? "Baltimore"'s a Bit of a Distraction for Some Reason...maybe "SHUT the Door!" instead?

I, of Cuss, Got the "Guy's-Eye-VIEW" of this Scenario..& here's a Transcript of what led to a REAL "Silent Night" here recently:
"You're ALWAYS 'Too Tired to TALK!'"
"Yeah, Well, YOU'RE Always 'Too Tired for SEX...'"

Guess that Sums It All Up from the Guy's Point of View...(& I'm again.."In Big Trouble"..Heh-Heh!)

Truth be told, this is a Pretty Good "Gal's-Eye-View"..and, Yeah, it's Pretty CLEAR the Guy's Money-Hungry in This Instance. I'd chuck him & Move Back to Baltimore, too!

Check your "You're"'s...ya missed a Few: Line 2, Line 4, etc.

Your Gal Singer sounds like She's NOT too tired in bed, so I'll give this'n a "KUDOS" & hope the Schmuck she married Changes His Act...heh-heh!

Big Hugs,
Stan

#268185 - 04/26/02 10:35 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Ashleigh, great to see you back...how's the sweet little one...besides all the dirty ditties?
Very nice song, agree the bridge is abrupt think perhaps just her telling him things going to have to change around there cause she ain't puttin' up with it no more, might be good. That way it leaves the song open to any listeners' own conclusion whether the marriage made it or not or may even work as a warning to those out there "hung" up in such a situation.
"Tomorrow Never Comes" is a legendary song's title...made very popular by Jim Nabors and some other artist I can't recall for the moment...though content of song is quite different, I'd suggest adding the word you already have there to the title "But" kind of gives the hook a great punch to make people want to listen and hear what's what and what's not going and what's going to happen if "but" doesn't happen. LOL Best wishes.

#268186 - 04/26/02 10:41 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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I agree Ashliegh on the agree to disagree bit. I still don't think you have done enough to make him not worth either being defended, or for the cook to hang around.
maybe i didn't make that clear enough.
Last word . True.
REgards.
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#268187 - 04/26/02 11:03 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Hi there Ashleigh,

Just a few things; overall it's pretty solid IMHO....

One small nit is the hook; almost identical to the Garth Brooks hit "IF TOMORROW NEVER COMES"...songs are different though.

Your bridge is really another verse because you use the same rhyme scheme AND it has the same number of lines as your verses. At the least i'd change the rhyme scheme up differently to set it apart more from the verses.

It MIGHT be best to pare down words that aren't necessary like in the first line:

You come home from work at night and want your time alone

"at night" is pretty much implied and not really necessary. But that might be my preference as I try hard to use the least amount of words possible.

I think the story is good and developed pretty well and enjoyed givin' it a read.

#268188 - 04/27/02 01:00 AM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Stan--Thanks for stopping by. Yeah, this woman is saying, "Hey, throw me a bone." [Linked Image]Truly, though, this song is not written for guys to identify with, it's written for women who are dealing with guys like this. That is who it is supposed to resonnate (spelling?)

Sharon--The little one is great, but I must say that I have never seen a baby do #2 so much. Practically with every diaper and it's not diarrhea, at least I know he's getting enough from nursing. Now that I've grossed everyone out [Linked Image]--It's funny that you mention that the Tomorrow Never Comes title has been used a lot. I did a copyright search one time and found 171 registered copyrights under that title. [Linked Image]

Graham--You can have the last word...LOL [Linked Image]

Blake--Thanks for the read and the comments. You are right. Originally it was a 4th verse, but we changed up the music and made it a bridge, but your observations are true. Imagine...all those words and Graham still doesn't get it... [Linked Image]. OOOps, I was supposed to let him have the last word, wasn't I? [Linked Image]

Thanks everyone. It's good to get your opinions.

Ashleigh

[This message has been edited by adw246 (edited 04-26-2002).]

#268189 - 04/28/02 10:41 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Ashleigh, I would love to help "gross" everybody out a little more. [Linked Image] On the baby, you've probably have surmised that "breast-fed" babies do tend to have more stools...but then that is healthy...they don't have the indigestion problems bottle babies seem to tend to have. And seem to grow up better without having such a s***** outlook on life...and that was almost a quote there...but I've found it true. The experts claim it's the "closeness" of babe to mom that helps stop this negative "attitude" from developing. LOL Now have I grossed enough? Of course!

#268190 - 04/29/02 02:20 AM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes  
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Hi, Ashleigh!

You mentioned that the song is about a workaholic. You mention that the office calls him, but you don't really describe his
preoccupation with work. What the song really describes is a man who is inconsiderate, selfish and miserly. The song sounds whiney because it is full of complaints. Take a look at the song Cat's in the Cradle. That describes a workaholic and the consequences. Perhaps rethink the angle a bit. I worked out an example if you want it.

Hi, Honey! How was work, guess you want some time alone,
The kids are sure excited to see their Daddy's home.
I suppose they'll have to wait, you've got the Sports page in your hand
You tell ‘em you're too tired to play, I'm sure they'll understand


Anyway, if you rephrased your lines in this way, a picture is painted without the wife sounding whiney. The only other alternative to avoid the whine is to put it in third person.

How is that sweet new baby by the way? I'm glad to see you posting.

JeanB


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#1120313 - 12/01/16 04:49 PM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes [Re: Ashleigh Wehmeyer]  
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Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

from Shakespeare's Macbeth

#1121381 - 12/23/16 12:00 AM Re: Tomorrow Never Comes [Re: Ashleigh Wehmeyer]  
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Jim, Great seeing some of our old friends come to life again as if it were just another day.

Brian


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